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..for choosing to major in Civil Engineering instead of Computer Information Systems. I've so far wasted the last 3 years (12 quarters) of college in taking CE classes. I'm making the switch officially over to CIS at the beginning of next quarter and I just wish I would've done it sooner. My parents are going to kill me once they find out I've wasted all their money.
I know they'll be disappointed, hell I am, but I am confident that this switch is the wiser choice rather than try (and fail several more times) and finish CE. I'm so far behind in CE that it would take another 2-3 years after this one just to finish (because my school is very impacted). In CIS I can finish by the end of next year.
I really don't know what I'm trying to say.. just venting a little. I guess for all you college bound students.. make sure you really find out what you have a passion for doing before making your final choice in a major.
 
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and have a plan b... *sigh*
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I changed my major a while ago too. Trust me, you will be tense until it is official, but once you realize you have found the major you really want it will be a huge relief.
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Jeez... what a waste
Sorry to hear it.
edit: wait a sec... your parents money? damn. I wish my parents paid for my degree.
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good luck, i'm applying to uni this year.. and i'm still totally unsure of what to do with my grades and what not.
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it's never too late u made the right choice
for uni/work stuff u have to follow your passion
i recently rejected a job more relevant to my uni degree for something that i felt was more interesting
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Well, my tuition is 100% free since my dad is a retired veteran (I think it stops once I'm 23 even if I'm in college though). My parents do pay for my apartment and some food occasionally.. but for regular food, gas, and other expenses I use money I make from my StarCraft websites. I'm just hoping in the coming months I can make enough money monthly to pay for the apartment myself and take the burden off my parents' shoulders.
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Belgium9947 Posts
hey mahnini does CIS at your college
you can be best friends
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You will probably end up regretting again after switching... I don't like my major as well....
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Canada19447 Posts
I feel you - i SUCKS being in the wrong program. Just suck it up and do what you really want to do
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On December 10 2008 10:57 RaGe wrote:
hey mahnini does CIS at your college
you can be best friends
Yea, I've known mahnini through TL for a while now and I've seen him on DC++ (our school's private file sharing hub). Didn't know he was a CIS major though..
On December 10 2008 10:58 ilovehnk wrote:
You will probably end up regretting again after switching... I don't like my major as well....
What were your majors?
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On December 10 2008 10:30 Spartan wrote:
I guess for all you college bound students.. make sure you really find out what you have a passion for doing before making your final choice in a major.
For many people this is very difficult haha.
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On December 10 2008 10:41 Spartan wrote:
Well, my tuition is 100% free since my dad is a retired veteran (I think it stops once I'm 23 even if I'm in college though). My parents do pay for my apartment and some food occasionally.. but for regular food, gas, and other expenses I use money I make from my StarCraft websites. I'm just hoping in the coming months I can make enough money monthly to pay for the apartment myself and take the burden off my parents' shoulders.
Better start spamming more of your links on TL to get that increased salary your going to need.
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On December 10 2008 11:01 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 10:30 Spartan wrote:
I guess for all you college bound students.. make sure you really find out what you have a passion for doing before making your final choice in a major. For many people this is very difficult haha.
His advice is 'know what you want' .... and he didn't know what he wanted .... Good advice.
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On December 10 2008 11:01 BuGzlToOnl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 10:41 Spartan wrote:
Well, my tuition is 100% free since my dad is a retired veteran (I think it stops once I'm 23 even if I'm in college though). My parents do pay for my apartment and some food occasionally.. but for regular food, gas, and other expenses I use money I make from my StarCraft websites. I'm just hoping in the coming months I can make enough money monthly to pay for the apartment myself and take the burden off my parents' shoulders. Better start spamming more of your links on TL to get that increased salary your going to need.
Yea, I've been lagging in that department. 
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it would be funny if you decide you dont like CIS and switch again
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On December 10 2008 11:01 BuGzlToOnl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 10:41 Spartan wrote:
Well, my tuition is 100% free since my dad is a retired veteran (I think it stops once I'm 23 even if I'm in college though). My parents do pay for my apartment and some food occasionally.. but for regular food, gas, and other expenses I use money I make from my StarCraft websites. I'm just hoping in the coming months I can make enough money monthly to pay for the apartment myself and take the burden off my parents' shoulders. Better start spamming more of your links on TL to get that increased salary your going to need.
That was necessary...
Anyways, don't worry man.. i'm sure most of us took a while to figure out our final majors just as you have. I for one just figured out that I wanted to be a psych major after first starting in business, then switching to anthropology, then finally picking pyschology. It helps that I am paying my own way through school though so it isn't like anyone has direct expectations about my future.
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On December 10 2008 11:12 AttackZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 11:01 micronesia wrote:On December 10 2008 10:30 Spartan wrote:
I guess for all you college bound students.. make sure you really find out what you have a passion for doing before making your final choice in a major. For many people this is very difficult haha. His advice is 'know what you want' .... and he didn't know what he wanted .... Good advice.
For many people this is very difficult...
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This is very typical in every college student but parents never understand even though they went through it as well, so just be strong 
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i started as Computer Science --> Elem Education --> Psychology --> English Lit --> ended up double majoring in the last 2.
No one ever knows what they want. If you feel that this is the best choice for you, then do it. Especially since you said that you can be finished with your CIS degree in a year as opposed to the engineering that will take another 2-3.
However, if you were gonna finish CE in 1 year and CIS was gonna take you 2-3, then i'd tell you to suck it up and stick with it. In the end, it's the B.(ull)S.(hit) that counts.
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Damn... I know so many people who have done this switching around
But don't go crazy, i think 70%? or something like that, of undergrads switch around at least once before finding what they really wanted to take
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Calgary25980 Posts
Finish the engineering degree. SERIOUSLY -_-
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lol I agree with lilsusie and Chill.
Can't you just go for a Masters in CIS or something after you get your CE Degree?
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Well, one option is to attempt a double major of the two. But I think the dean of each college (engineering for CE and business for CIS) have to approve it. I've spoken with the dean of our CE department already a while back ago and she recommended to just leave CE altogether as it isn't "my thing".
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What? Who cares what you do in undergrad? When you get to grad school you'll find that you don't. And no one else does, either.
And since that's only research, you get to do ANYTHING you have passion for (only strangely, what you're passionate for tends to be startlingly similar to what your advisor has passion for as well).
And you get to do it on your own time, and you get paid.
So don't sweat undergrad.
If you aren't going to grad school, do it anyway. It's a solid economic choice in these times.
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which major makes more money?
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If you have already committed a large portion of your time to a course, I would suggest you finish it up, get the degree and then move on. An acquaintance of mine was three years into a Architecture degree and quit to move on to other things. While that person now enjoys what they are doing; they could have also had an undergraduate degree in Architecture and only have been one year behind in their current course.
Good luck though, I know what it's like to be second guessing academic choices.
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Calgary25980 Posts
Listen, these pie-in-the-sky kids don't know what's up. Finish the engineering degree.
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On December 10 2008 11:27 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 11:12 AttackZerg wrote:On December 10 2008 11:01 micronesia wrote:On December 10 2008 10:30 Spartan wrote:
I guess for all you college bound students.. make sure you really find out what you have a passion for doing before making your final choice in a major. For many people this is very difficult haha. His advice is 'know what you want' .... and he didn't know what he wanted .... Good advice. For many people this is very difficult...
Thats why for 90 % of us it is useless advice and for the rest, they never needed it 
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On December 10 2008 12:53 Chill wrote:
Listen, these pie-in-the-sky kids don't know what's up. Finish the engineering degree.
The idea of finishing my CE degree isn't out completely. What I'll probably do is officially switch to CIS and see how things go. If things go smoothly as I planned then I'll continue the course of the double major with the CE/CIS combo. Part of the reason why I'm making the move towards CIS now and not finishing my CE degree first is that I've had a taste of the "pie in the sky". I have several websites now that provide me with a steady cash flow each month (and lately it has increased two-fold).
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If your websites ever fail though, having a engineering degree to fall back on would be really helpful.
Always have a back up plan.
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On December 10 2008 10:30 Spartan wrote:
..for choosing to major in Civil Engineering instead of Computer Information Systems. I've so far wasted the last 3 years (12 quarters) of college in taking CE classes. I'm making the switch officially over to CIS at the beginning of next quarter and I just wish I would've done it sooner. My parents are going to kill me once they find out I've wasted all their money.
I know they'll be disappointed, hell I am, but I am confident that this switch is the wiser choice rather than try (and fail several more times) and finish CE. I'm so far behind in CE that it would take another 2-3 years after this one just to finish (because my school is very impacted). In CIS I can finish by the end of next year.
I really don't know what I'm trying to say.. just venting a little. I guess for all you college bound students.. make sure you really find out what you have a passion for doing before making your final choice in a major.
Its so difficult to decide what you truly want to do for the rest of your life/study in post-secondary when you're young. (17/18/19ish)
How did you do it, heh?
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On December 10 2008 13:18 eth0x wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 10:30 Spartan wrote:
..for choosing to major in Civil Engineering instead of Computer Information Systems. I've so far wasted the last 3 years (12 quarters) of college in taking CE classes. I'm making the switch officially over to CIS at the beginning of next quarter and I just wish I would've done it sooner. My parents are going to kill me once they find out I've wasted all their money.
I know they'll be disappointed, hell I am, but I am confident that this switch is the wiser choice rather than try (and fail several more times) and finish CE. I'm so far behind in CE that it would take another 2-3 years after this one just to finish (because my school is very impacted). In CIS I can finish by the end of next year.
I really don't know what I'm trying to say.. just venting a little. I guess for all you college bound students.. make sure you really find out what you have a passion for doing before making your final choice in a major. Its so difficult to decide what you truly want to do for the rest of your life/study in post-secondary when you're young. (17/18/19ish) How did you do it, heh?
I learned the hard way.. which no one should ever have to go through.
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Dude, to what uni do you go to? How long does it take to finish CIS there? I'm planning on majorin in that also, but down here in south Texas, CIS is only 2 years for both TSTC and ITT (community colleges/technical) and I don't know other schools in Texas with that kind of Major. I do know the UAT (university of advancing technology) over at Arizon, but don't think financial aid will cover it all seeing as how it will be out-of-state.
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On December 10 2008 12:53 Chill wrote:
Listen, these pie-in-the-sky kids don't know what's up. Finish the engineering degree.
I'm with Chill, suck it up and finish it. You can always go to grad school to do what you actually want to do. I'm sucking it up with Biology, won't matter if I like it or not if I manage to get into med school like I want to.
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Wasn't it shown somewhere (shoddy substance at work), that like over 50% of ppl work in an area different from their college major. Looks like you caught it in time.
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wtf, don't listen to these people go for the pie in the sky. waiting to live your life the way you want is a flawed existence. it's always better to regret something you've done than something you didn't do.
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Not to say an engineering degree is a bad degree, because it definitely isn't, but if you don't really enjoy that stuff then you would be a very big fool to just suck it up like a few people have recommended. Besides, CIS is a very good place to be right now and it seems to be the kind of thing that you enjoy, so it's probably a very wise decision to make that switch.
Don't you ever listen to someone that tells you to just suck it up, that's very bad advice when your future is on the line. It doesn't matter if the job will make you filthy rich, which unless you're pretty lucky it won't, because in 10, 20, 30 years down the line you're most likely going to hate your job and have some serious issues and regrets with your life. It's not as if switching from an engineering degree will mean that suddenly you won't be able to find a good job. And while a lot of people do say that statistics show that many people end up getting jobs that have little to do with what they majored in, sucking it up basically leaves you with two options: you either get a job that does relate to your major, and you end up doing work that you really don't like and aren't happy with, or you get a job that doesn't relate to your major, and you end up putting yourself through a bunch of crap during college that you really shouldn't have had to go through, especially considering college years should be some of the best years of your life.
You seem to be making the right decision. I had to make a similar decision several years back, and I can say with complete confidence that it was the best decision that I have EVER made in my life, and the only thing that I regret was that it took me as long as it did to make that decision. This may not necessarily be the case for you, but if you're really certain that you don't like where you're at, and CIS is where you want to be, then making that switch would be a very smart move.
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On December 10 2008 13:37 BuGzlToOnl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 12:53 Chill wrote:
Listen, these pie-in-the-sky kids don't know what's up. Finish the engineering degree. I'm with Chill, suck it up and finish it. You can always go to grad school to do what you actually want to do. I'm sucking it up with Biology, won't matter if I like it or not if I manage to get into med school like I want to.
The difference is that for you, Biology is only a means to an end, an end that you claim you actually want. If you weren't going to med school and just stopped after the Biology major, you might feel a bit differently. In his case, and in many other cases, that end is not what is wanted. That's a very big difference to consider.
Even if it turns out that he decides to go to grad school and do something completely different and that his undergrad didn't matter at all, switching to CIS is still the better option because it would take less time, not to mention that apparently it would be more interesting for him.
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I'd stick with civil engineering...seems to me like the IT job market could crash. All the bad economic news hasn't really effected the real economy yet, and when it does you want there to be a job market for you.
If things go bad, it seems to me like knowing how to install an operating system or code php will be less adaptable than knowing how to do math and build something.
Obama has already stated that he is going do huge publics works projects. Our infastructure in this country has been neglected for 30 years. Bridges are crumbling, roads need repair, etc.
Being computer savy with a civil engineering degree seems like it will make you pretty valuable as well.
edit: btw you do know that you can get a degree in civil engineering and then do a masters in computer science or anything else, right?
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On December 10 2008 15:05 fight_or_flight wrote:
I'd stick with civil engineering...seems to me like the IT job market could crash. All the bad economic news hasn't really effected the real economy yet, and when it does you want there to be a job market for you.
If things go bad, it seems to me like knowing how to install an operating system or code php will be less adaptable than knowing how to do math and build something.
Obama has already stated that he is going do huge publics works projects. Our infastructure in this country has been neglected for 30 years. Bridges are crumbling, roads need repair, etc.
Being computer savy with a civil engineering degree seems like it will make you pretty valuable as well.
From what I've been told, engineers are actually the first to lose their jobs, because research is the first thing that goes. Not sure how accurate that is, but IT isn't something that will go away as it's integral to pretty much any business and they need people that understand business problems, something that many companies report that engineers are not very good at.
The IT job market might suffer some, as will many other job markets, but there will always be a strong need for it. In fact in many places there are more CIS jobs needed than there are people to fill, which is an absolutely amazing situation to be in upon graduation.
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On December 10 2008 15:05 fight_or_flight wrote:
I'd stick with civil engineering...seems to me like the IT job market could crash. All the bad economic news hasn't really effected the real economy yet, and when it does you want there to be a job market for you.
If things go bad, it seems to me like knowing how to install an operating system or code php will be less adaptable than knowing how to do math and build something.
Obama has already stated that he is going do huge publics works projects. Our infastructure in this country has been neglected for 30 years. Bridges are crumbling, roads need repair, etc.
Being computer savy with a civil engineering degree seems like it will make you pretty valuable as well.
edit: btw you do know that you can get a degree in civil engineering and then do a masters in computer science or anything else, right?
umm. if anything i would think CIS would be less elastic than CE, any competent business would need a repertoire of IT professionals.
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orlandu why do we post the same things at the same time i hate you
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On December 10 2008 15:12 mahnini wrote:
orlandu why do we post the same things at the same time i hate you
Great minds think alike?
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Well...civil engineering can't really be outsourced. Many times they work on public works projects which are static (sewage plants and stuff). The government spends money on such projects to stimulate the economy. Obama himself has stated he is going to do this.
Tech positions are needed, but there are many more people in that field than in CE. They have expendable positions. Civil engineers design things that cost many times more than their salary, so proportionally, their employment cost isn't as significant.
I wonder how many civil engineers got laid off from banks this year.
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On December 10 2008 15:24 fight_or_flight wrote:
Well...civil engineering can't really be outsourced. Many times they work on public works projects which are static (sewage plants and stuff). The government spends money on such projects to stimulate the economy. Obama himself has stated he is going to do this.
Tech positions are needed, but there are many more people in that field than in CE. They have expendable positions. Civil engineers design things that cost many times more than their salary, so proportionally, their employment cost isn't as significant.
I wonder how many civil engineers got laid off from banks this year.
Mahnini edited out his post that I thought explained this pretty well, but you're kind of assuming that CIS and IT work consists of mostly lower level work such as tech support. Those types of jobs are expendable, but those aren't made up of entirely CIS people either. In fact a lot of those people are also engineers, Computer Science majors. A lot of CIS professionals are involved in much more important jobs that aren't very expendable, such as, as you put it yourself, designing things that cost many times more than their salary. However, CIS is a very broad field so how expendable the job is really depends on the type of work that you do, but on the same hand, being in such a broad field provides many other back-up options should one job prove to fail for you.
But this isn't really a debate over which is the better major, the issue at hand is whether or not it is a good idea for him to switch. Based on what we know about him and his situation, it would most likely be the most beneficial choice for him.
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Calgary25980 Posts
-_- Seriously?
Had more here but I'll delete it. Suffice it to say I don't like you.
EDIT: God, you've finished 75% of a solid degree and you're going to just stop? It's so stupid. Just looking at the cost/benefit analysis should tell you to finish then pursuit whatever your dreams are. It isn't anything but stupid to give it all away to switch into a generally less-impressive degree.
How many times will you be able to use that engineering degree to help you? I would guess a lot.
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How the hell do you not figure this out after a few months into your study? Don't change now it would be sooooo retarded you're fucking yourself over. Think of your future and carreer options.
You're probably not even gonna enjoy that new study as much as you think you will, don't do it.
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Are you retarded? What makes you think you can make it big with a site like that? You really think you have some kind of genius idea that's gonna make you rich? Get real, you realize to every successful site there are 10000 failed sites who make shit for money right? If you are basing the choice of your new study on a success story like that you will end up with shattered dreams and a shitty life, set some realistic goals for yourself.
Don't change your degree now, it's too late.
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On December 11 2008 01:25 Chill wrote:-_- Seriously? Had more here but I'll delete it. Suffice it to say I don't like you. EDIT: God, you've finished 75% of a solid degree and you're going to just stop? It's so stupid. Just looking at the cost/benefit analysis should tell you to finish then pursuit whatever your dreams are. It isn't anything but stupid to give it all away to switch into a generally less-impressive degree. How many times will you be able to use that engineering degree to help you? I would guess a lot.
I don't have 75% of CE finished.. not even close.. I'd say about less than 50% (which is how bad I fucked up). I have already analyzed the cost/benefit analysis.. like I said already it would take me another 3 years to finish CE when I can finish in about a year and a half in CIS. So I'd be paying double the time and money for a bachelors degree in CE when one in CIS is still just as good nowadays.
The whole engineering program at my college is the largest impacted college. For example, there is a 2 class chain that has a fail rate of 2/3rds each class. It is not uncommon for engineering students to take each class 2-3 times each just to pass. Let alone they only offer that class in a few sections each quarter so every student is fighting with at least 500 other students to get into one of the give sections of the class with 30 students each. 500 - 150 = 350 students not taking the class. The average engineering major finishes college here in 5.5 years. I'm already far behind than the average student, my fault I know, which is also what makes me not cut out for engineering.
On December 11 2008 02:08 Frits wrote:Are you retarded? What makes you think you can make it big with a site like that? You really think you have some kind of genius idea that's gonna make you rich? Get real, you realize to every successful site there are 10000 failed sites who make shit for money right? If you are basing the choice of your new study on a success story like that you will end up with shattered dreams and a shitty life, set some realistic goals for yourself. Don't change your degree now, it's too late.
6 months ago I made $150~ a month total from all my sites.
5 months ago I made $300~
4 months ago I made $500~
3 months ago I made $550~
2 months ago I made $650~
1 month ago I made $700~
This month is looking to be around $700 again.
Edit: So I'd rather invest my time in CIS while at the same time improving my sites. The opportunity to make a living out of working on my sites is still there and is probably closer to grasp for me than for some other people. Why would I throw away such a chance when it seems closer than shooting for a CE degree, as of now.
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you realize 700 a month is less than welfare right
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You guys are severely underestimating a CIS major.
It's essentially a degree in Business Administration: CIS.
You have loads of options where you want to go after this. In addition to CIS being a encompassing a pretty broad range of skills, we also take a substantial amount of business classes. A quick breakdown of what you need for a CIS degree:
1. 1 year of business classes
2. 1 year of CIS (general)
3. 1 year of CIS (specific)
I pulled the times out of my ass but you get the picture. CIS is a very broad subject you you have to choose a special field within the major as well as taking introductory classes on the fields you don't choose. What this means is that failing your CIS specialty doesn't leave you at a dead end, you could always go into other branches of CIS which is pretty much any technology dealing with the end user, we're talking things like telecom, web programming, internet security, and database administration.
Even failing CIS altogether you still have a strong background in business administration, things like management, operations management, and some business law, as well as some basic understanding of economics, marketing, and accounting.
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