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oh the memories how they hurt me 
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United States10774 Posts
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On December 09 2008 11:11 BanZu wrote:
Is air wep cheaper?
100/100 opposed to 150/150
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DT drops are evil and should not be attempted. Ever.
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I always wondered if good terrans like have the timing of when range should be finished. Like if they got a scv into your base after losing the first scout and your core is still spinning if he knew the timing he would know you canceled it or did air weap.
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Just some general notes on timing the different tech buildings:
Templar archives and gateway have same build time, so after your citadel pops, add gateway and archives at the same time.
DT buildtime is 50, shuttle is 60, robo is 80, gateway is 60, citadel is 60, so build the robo at half citadel (If I recall you'll have just enough gas).
Also, you probably should not block your ramp with a probe, and instead let the scv into your base and then chase it down once you get a dragoon (while you upg fake air weapons) because you want T to be unsuspicious as possible. Even though preventing the scv scout would let you get your tech 100 gas earlier, terran would play much safer reducing the effect of your surprise drop.
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This was really helpful, thanks 5/5!
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dt drops never work and no one should ever ever ever ever ever ever do them. as a matter of fact don't even build that cybernetics core in pvt! its not worth it. zealots and probes all the way
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LOL Scouts.
You are terrible.
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On December 09 2008 11:32 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I always wondered if good terrans like have the timing of when range should be finished. Like if they got a scv into your base after losing the first scout and your core is still spinning if he knew the timing he would know you canceled it or did air weap.
Isn't it REALLY unlikely to get an SCV in after the first one dies because usually they'll have more than one Dragoon blocking the ramp by then ..
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Did I see a scout? Awesome.
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I really enjoyed watching this. I really like to DT Drop into expo on maps like Andromeda.
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DT drop is one of the more legit builds in Starcraft. They're fun.
Btw, I hope you throw in more tech (sooner) when you aren't so far ahead.
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On December 09 2008 12:31 Equinox_kr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2008 11:32 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I always wondered if good terrans like have the timing of when range should be finished. Like if they got a scv into your base after losing the first scout and your core is still spinning if he knew the timing he would know you canceled it or did air weap. Isn't it REALLY unlikely to get an SCV in after the first one dies because usually they'll have more than one Dragoon blocking the ramp by then ..
Well if the terran got another scv to mine a min before the first scv died or somehow got it in because the toss left his choke or something.
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you are a terrible person for sharing these forbidden secrets
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On December 09 2008 13:40 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2008 12:31 Equinox_kr wrote:On December 09 2008 11:32 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I always wondered if good terrans like have the timing of when range should be finished. Like if they got a scv into your base after losing the first scout and your core is still spinning if he knew the timing he would know you canceled it or did air weap. Isn't it REALLY unlikely to get an SCV in after the first one dies because usually they'll have more than one Dragoon blocking the ramp by then .. Well if the terran got another scv to mine a min before the first scv died or somehow got it in because the toss left his choke or something.
yeah then the protoss is fucked for good if the scv manages to see what the protoss builds, etc etc.
By the way DT Drop is the most annoying strat ever as a terran. Fuck DTs.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Proxying your citadel can help. But a good Terran will count your pylons and see that you're missing one.
Which is why making a habit of regularly proxying your 2nd or 3rd pylon can be helpful sometimes if you're playing straight-up
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I had this toss on iccup made his 2nd and 3rd pylon at the same time. Proxying the 3rd pylon. And around the time toss usually get their third pylon he adds his fourth and to me seemed he added his third. Sad sad day for me
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He could check whether you have range by seeing when the goons shoot at the SCV near the ramp. If you had range your goons would shoot earlier.
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I really need to work on my apm/multitasking
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On December 09 2008 14:01 Ilikestarcraft wrote:I had this toss on iccup made his 2nd and 3rd pylon at the same time. Proxying the 3rd pylon. And around the time toss usually get their third pylon he adds his fourth and to me seemed he added his third. Sad sad day for me
Haha when I was Protoss I did something like that. 
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On December 09 2008 19:06 clazziquai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2008 14:01 Ilikestarcraft wrote:I had this toss on iccup made his 2nd and 3rd pylon at the same time. Proxying the 3rd pylon. And around the time toss usually get their third pylon he adds his fourth and to me seemed he added his third. Sad sad day for me Haha when I was Protoss I did something like that.
Or you could proxy your 2nd/3rd pylon(s) then just expo while they turret up.
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As good as i am, I really don't prefer proxies just because they are evil and cheap ways to win -.-
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updated as of 12-9-08 Added a PvT reaver game
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Seriously, you aren't that good.
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On December 09 2008 13:43 alphafuzard wrote:
you are a terrible person for sharing these forbidden secrets
Hahaha
Your speed is impressive, Race
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On December 10 2008 08:20 neobowman wrote:
Seriously, you aren't that good.
Did i say i was good? O_o
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On December 10 2008 10:50 Racenilatr wrote:Did i say i was good? O_o
On December 09 2008 20:34 Racenilatr wrote:
As good as i am, I really don't prefer proxies just because they are evil and cheap ways to win -.-
I'm pretty impressed though race, you've come a long way from a few months ago.
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I think everyone on iccup already knows how to dt drop
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United States17042 Posts
On December 10 2008 15:09 Dead9 wrote:
I think everyone on iccup already knows how to dt drop
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Not at D- >.> then again, they can barely macro at D-
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On December 10 2008 16:13 GHOSTCLAW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 15:09 Dead9 wrote:
I think everyone on iccup already knows how to dt drop
;; Not at D- >.> then again, they can barely macro at D-
They all know how to go DTs. I just hate playing so random toss scrub PvP and massacring his tiny army only to hear that terrible DT noise. Then I usually type "ZIZI YO" and leave.
Ofc I got used to that pretty fast, quick obs are great in PvP D level since so many people go DTs.
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Even more DT Drops on iCCup now and as Terran I want to point out how much I hate you, haha ;D!
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On December 10 2008 16:13 GHOSTCLAW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 15:09 Dead9 wrote:
I think everyone on iccup already knows how to dt drop
;; Not at D- >.> then again, they can barely macro at D-
they dont even know what macro means
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On December 10 2008 16:33 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 16:13 GHOSTCLAW wrote:On December 10 2008 15:09 Dead9 wrote:
I think everyone on iccup already knows how to dt drop
;; Not at D- >.> then again, they can barely macro at D- They all know how to go DTs. I just hate playing so random toss scrub PvP and massacring his tiny army only to hear that terrible DT noise. Then I usually type "ZIZI YO" and leave.
THAT is gay. There is no gayness to express that. I get so pissed i dont even say gg >_>
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On December 10 2008 20:48 Racenilatr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 16:33 Fontong wrote:On December 10 2008 16:13 GHOSTCLAW wrote:On December 10 2008 15:09 Dead9 wrote:
I think everyone on iccup already knows how to dt drop
;; Not at D- >.> then again, they can barely macro at D- They all know how to go DTs. I just hate playing so random toss scrub PvP and massacring his tiny army only to hear that terrible DT noise. Then I usually type "ZIZI YO" and leave. THAT is gay. There is no gayness to express that. I get so pissed i dont even say gg >_>
How is it gay? You don't even say GG? If he went dt off 2 gate or even off 1 gate then you should at least have obs at the time unless you did some 3 gate no obs build or expo'd very fast. I personally go 2 gate goon/reaver into expo or DT ---> Expo --> Storm and I don't see how its gay at all. If i lose to dts [and its not a proxy] then its my fault. Even if they proxied some abnormally fast dt tech + gateway then its my fault for not haveing good scouting and noticing that he has very late range [or no range at all] and is not expoing or making a 2nd gateway or has no units on ramp.
DT --> Expo in PvP is a really common build and not gay at all. I don't even go DT with the intention to kill them. That would be nice. I would love that but it rarely happens. They usually have obs by that time and I get storm or I get range and add cannons and take my expo. I go DT so I can get quick storm and harass and mass zeal/archon/goon /w storm.
Summary: DT --> Expo --> Storm = Not Gay.
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It's just gay and i get so pissed at myself for losing to something as simple as dts >_>
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EPT
