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Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
November 12 2008 22:35 GMT
#61
This made me chuckle a little. Assuming it wasn't a setup, I'd say the kid shouldn't have been let out there in the first place. I don't think he deserved the faceplant, much less in that manner. I'd just reprimand the parents, obviously not to an extreme... It was just letting a kid run through a band, no biggie.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24805 Posts
November 12 2008 22:37 GMT
#62
On November 13 2008 07:31 Elvin_vn wrote:
Show nested quote +
positive reinforcement generally works better than negative


Wrong. Negative reinforcement works better when you want to prevent actions. Positive works when you want to encourage actions.

In this case, punishment worked ...in a wrong way. But the result will be good XD

Source? I have studied pedagogy and cognitive development at the undergraduate and graduate level, and this is not the conclusion they have drawn. Of course half of it is total bs.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
November 12 2008 23:04 GMT
#63
omg.. if i was the kid's dad.. i would beat the crap out of the tuba player
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
November 13 2008 00:24 GMT
#64
On November 13 2008 07:37 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2008 07:31 Elvin_vn wrote:
positive reinforcement generally works better than negative


Wrong. Negative reinforcement works better when you want to prevent actions. Positive works when you want to encourage actions.

In this case, punishment worked ...in a wrong way. But the result will be good XD

Source? I have studied pedagogy and cognitive development at the undergraduate and graduate level, and this is not the conclusion they have drawn. Of course half of it is total bs.


After a bit research, it turns out that i was confused between negative reinforcement and positive punishment. And in general, like you said, reinforcement was stronger and preferred over punishment due to the side effect of the punishment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_Conditioning
http://allpsych.com/psychology101/reinforcement.html

That is in general. However, in this particular case, I still think that punishment works better.

Say, between positive punishment like spanking the kid and negative reinforcement like stop giving the kid candy when he does something bad like that, the later needs to be applied repeatably before the kid can learn the lesson whereas the former need far less frequency (because when the punishment is applied immediately, it develops a strong link to the action). Yeah but that's just my opinion.

So the correct answer is to spank the kid, not to trip him, and no more candy for him.
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24805 Posts
November 13 2008 00:27 GMT
#65
On November 13 2008 09:24 Elvin_vn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2008 07:37 micronesia wrote:
On November 13 2008 07:31 Elvin_vn wrote:
positive reinforcement generally works better than negative


Wrong. Negative reinforcement works better when you want to prevent actions. Positive works when you want to encourage actions.

In this case, punishment worked ...in a wrong way. But the result will be good XD

Source? I have studied pedagogy and cognitive development at the undergraduate and graduate level, and this is not the conclusion they have drawn. Of course half of it is total bs.


After a bit research, it turns out that i was confused between negative reinforcement and positive punishment. And in general, like you said, reinforcement was stronger and preferred over punishment due to the side effect of the punishment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_Conditioning
http://allpsych.com/psychology101/reinforcement.html

That is in general. However, in this particular case, I still think that punishment works better.

Say, between positive punishment like spanking the kid and negative reinforcement like stop giving the kid candy when he does something bad like that, the later needs to be applied repeatably before the kid can learn the lesson whereas the former need far less frequency (because when the punishment is applied immediately, it develops a strong link to the action). Yeah but that's just my opinion.

So the correct answer is to spank the kid, not to trip him, and no more candy for him.

I appreciate the thoughtful response. However I think you should be a bit more cautious about tossing around responses like

<quote>
Wrong.

:p
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
November 13 2008 00:38 GMT
#66
On November 13 2008 09:27 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2008 09:24 Elvin_vn wrote:
On November 13 2008 07:37 micronesia wrote:
On November 13 2008 07:31 Elvin_vn wrote:
positive reinforcement generally works better than negative


Wrong. Negative reinforcement works better when you want to prevent actions. Positive works when you want to encourage actions.

In this case, punishment worked ...in a wrong way. But the result will be good XD

Source? I have studied pedagogy and cognitive development at the undergraduate and graduate level, and this is not the conclusion they have drawn. Of course half of it is total bs.


After a bit research, it turns out that i was confused between negative reinforcement and positive punishment. And in general, like you said, reinforcement was stronger and preferred over punishment due to the side effect of the punishment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_Conditioning
http://allpsych.com/psychology101/reinforcement.html

That is in general. However, in this particular case, I still think that punishment works better.

Say, between positive punishment like spanking the kid and negative reinforcement like stop giving the kid candy when he does something bad like that, the later needs to be applied repeatably before the kid can learn the lesson whereas the former need far less frequency (because when the punishment is applied immediately, it develops a strong link to the action). Yeah but that's just my opinion.

So the correct answer is to spank the kid, not to trip him, and no more candy for him.

I appreciate the thoughtful response. However I think you should be a bit more cautious about tossing around responses like

<quote>
Wrong.

:p

Wrong
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
November 13 2008 00:40 GMT
#67
positive reinforcement is better because it works in the long run even though a punishment is 4x as powerful
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24805 Posts
November 13 2008 00:52 GMT
#68
On November 13 2008 09:40 Frits wrote:
positive reinforcement is better because it works in the long run even though a punishment is 4x as powerful

We can sorta simulate these principles by examining TL and how it is moderated. The more I think about it the more scary it is how TL is several simultaneous experiments in parenting (mostly gone wrong, but mods aren't parents so I don't think that's any surprise).
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
November 13 2008 04:02 GMT
#69
During an NBA game, there was a dude that started running on the court and one of the players tripped him, lol. This is just like it
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