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Dignity of Aiur pt.1

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Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-03 15:25:08
October 03 2008 15:08 GMT
#1
This blog was inspired by Salv's blog and all this discussion going on lately whether Protoss is the easy race or not. I might be a formidable Protoss opponent for many foreigners and that's why a race-switch is necessary to carry out my investigation.

Since there are so many people complaining about PvT being easy mode, I decided to try some Terran. My background experience is mostly watching progames and playing around with random years ago.

Equipped with my keyboard and mouse, I ventured out into the deep abyss (iCCup) to find the truth about Protoss! Are they really easier to play on D level? Will my Terran have a chance against all those 1a2a3a4a5a newbies?

We're on our way to find out.

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Map is Othello. Protoss scum is up at 1 o clock while I'm down at 5 o clock.
While i hoped to gain some advantage by answering 'mars' to the obligatory 'from?' question, it didn't seem to have any effect.
'me korea' he replied.


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My inexperience in basic build orders already started to show. Oh god, what am I going to do with all this gas?

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I pondered on my situation while i tried to get his damned probe out of my base.

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After I finally chased the probe away, I unveiled my triumph card. 3 factory! This is going to be easy. Shit's scary as hell when I'm playing Protoss, there's no way a D newbie can handle strategy of this calibre.

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Since I focused so hard on my build, I forgot about the Barrack i randomly sent out. Fuck.
But who cares, I'm not gonna need more factories anyway.


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I move out offensively while expanding. Seems like the bastard went for a 2 gate obs build. A decent counter, but I bet the fucker can't micro like I do.

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God damnit, how did he already get his exp up. I barely started mine. And he has lots of goons, on top of that. Is this the power of Protoss?

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Cockmongrel. He caught me with my pants down when I rolled out with my mighty 3fac army. No wonder since the bastard was hovering an obs over my tanks all the while. I'm gonna need turrets.

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Fuck. My vultures, where the hell did they go?

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Jimmy was late into the battle. But he actually brought two goons down to Aiur-hell.

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Even though my first army fell, my A level macro is shining through and I got all the way to his base with little to no resistance. This shit is easy. I'm adding lots of buildings. Smart. I know the pain of trying to break through a push when all my goons stuck up shooting at the buildings.

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God damned zealots. I gotta be careful with those mines.

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NO. What the fuck. Where did they come from?

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My SCVs are desperately trying to block the path but all in vain. At least they are meatier (sp?) than the probes that die to fucking two vulture hits.

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But it's all quiet on the we-...
Already speedzealots? God damnit. Shit is falling apart.


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At least I survived that huge goon army. Not too many scvs left though...

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I got more tank and I'm back into this shit again. He's never gonna get out of this push. I even got a ton of vultures.

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Back to killing probes n shit again.
Eh- Jimmy, did you see some dark shapes passing by?
NO DAMNIT IF YOU DON'T SEE THEM THEY DO NOT EXIST.


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Coward Toss tries to attack yet fails miserably. Yeah baby I'm still in this shit.

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My homies decide to have a traffic jam in the most critical moment.

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Does this look familiar? Bastard countered again while I was busy spamming turrets in my main.


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My iCCup Profile. Starting off with a not so impressive 7-5. But some of them were TvT and I have no idea how to play TvT. It's fun but complicated.

This was just a fluke. I played on the korean hours. I was a bit unlucky in my other matchups, but I actually went 2-2 in TvP!


Conclusion for today: True, I lost to some protoss scum, but I still don't believe them to be easier to play thus far. Those I lost to had actually pretty good micro/macro and understanding of the game.

In the next part I'll show you how to rape D+ and probably C- level Protoss newbs as well. I think my Terran can go really far if I just concentrate a little.

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I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
October 03 2008 15:10 GMT
#2
crap, sec fixing scrnsss
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2013 Posts
October 03 2008 15:17 GMT
#3
My point exactly, at noob level all races are equivalently easy/hard.
You don't even need to go bio in TvZ, mech rapes noob zergs (otherwise it would be harder).
- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
Xiberia
Profile Joined September 2007
Sweden634 Posts
October 03 2008 15:43 GMT
#4
On October 04 2008 00:17 LastWish wrote:
My point exactly, at noob level all races are equivalently easy/hard.
You don't even need to go bio in TvZ, mech rapes noob zergs (otherwise it would be harder).

I think it's the reverse. At low levels protoss players have an advantage due to the easier mechanics, but at higher levels when almost everyone have decent mechanics it pretty much evens out.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
October 03 2008 15:49 GMT
#5
On October 04 2008 00:43 Xiberia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 00:17 LastWish wrote:
My point exactly, at noob level all races are equivalently easy/hard.
You don't even need to go bio in TvZ, mech rapes noob zergs (otherwise it would be harder).

I think it's the reverse. At low levels protoss players have an advantage due to the easier mechanics, but at higher levels when almost everyone have decent mechanics it pretty much evens out.


So when low level was high level like a couple of years back, by your reasoning Protoss was super imba back then?

My intention wasn't to start another useless argumenting thread, just to carry out my personal investigation of what it's like to play the difficult races on low levels!
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
ahole-surprise
Profile Joined August 2007
United States813 Posts
October 03 2008 16:27 GMT
#6
Yes these are some scientific and worthwhile findings indeed, surely more likely to invoke objective understanding than "another useless argumenting thread"
Pulp can move, baby!
liosama
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Australia843 Posts
October 03 2008 16:47 GMT
#7
On October 04 2008 01:27 ahole-surprise wrote:
Yes these are some scientific and worthwhile findings indeed, surely more likely to invoke objective understanding than "another useless argumenting thread"


at least not as useless as the SC2 forums
Free Palestine
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-03 20:11:37
October 03 2008 20:09 GMT
#8
On October 04 2008 00:43 Xiberia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 00:17 LastWish wrote:
My point exactly, at noob level all races are equivalently easy/hard.
You don't even need to go bio in TvZ, mech rapes noob zergs (otherwise it would be harder).

I think it's the reverse. At low levels protoss players have an advantage due to the easier mechanics, but at higher levels when almost everyone have decent mechanics it pretty much evens out.


Protoss game sense and timing mistakes are less forgiving, and at low levels, poor game sense/timing < poor micro.

The thing is, its easier to learn game sense and timing than micro, so there's a level where players have all the necessary game sense but not the necessary micro.

As LastWish said, you can win with mech vs zerg easily at low level terran. Try going mass goons vs 4-hatch hydra in PvZ, even at low levels.
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
October 03 2008 20:20 GMT
#9
Loved your caption, I thought you would win
^-^
HotZhot
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Colombia677 Posts
October 03 2008 20:45 GMT
#10
Why terran? go zerg.

I appreciate your blog btw
I only smile in the darK [] sAviOr//JaeDong Fan 4 Ever ~ CJ Entusman # 7
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
October 03 2008 20:55 GMT
#11
On October 04 2008 00:49 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 00:43 Xiberia wrote:
On October 04 2008 00:17 LastWish wrote:
My point exactly, at noob level all races are equivalently easy/hard.
You don't even need to go bio in TvZ, mech rapes noob zergs (otherwise it would be harder).

I think it's the reverse. At low levels protoss players have an advantage due to the easier mechanics, but at higher levels when almost everyone have decent mechanics it pretty much evens out.


So when low level was high level like a couple of years back, by your reasoning Protoss was super imba back then?

My intention wasn't to start another useless argumenting thread, just to carry out my personal investigation of what it's like to play the difficult races on low levels!


It doesnt work that way. At that time the strategys where different, micro was more important, low econ games etc.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
October 03 2008 21:21 GMT
#12
On October 04 2008 01:27 ahole-surprise wrote:
Yes these are some scientific and worthwhile findings indeed, surely more likely to invoke objective understanding than "another useless argumenting thread"


I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING!
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
October 03 2008 21:23 GMT
#13
On October 04 2008 05:55 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 00:49 Shauni wrote:
On October 04 2008 00:43 Xiberia wrote:
On October 04 2008 00:17 LastWish wrote:
My point exactly, at noob level all races are equivalently easy/hard.
You don't even need to go bio in TvZ, mech rapes noob zergs (otherwise it would be harder).

I think it's the reverse. At low levels protoss players have an advantage due to the easier mechanics, but at higher levels when almost everyone have decent mechanics it pretty much evens out.


So when low level was high level like a couple of years back, by your reasoning Protoss was super imba back then?

My intention wasn't to start another useless argumenting thread, just to carry out my personal investigation of what it's like to play the difficult races on low levels!


It doesnt work that way. At that time the strategys where different, micro was more important, low econ games etc.


So Protoss race is weaker when strategies are different, when micro is more important and when fighting in low economy games? Hmmm...
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
October 03 2008 21:51 GMT
#14
Your terran really sucks in relation to you being such a skilled protoss player Shauni.

Don't understand how you can manage at higher levels of play without knowing the timings of the other races.

I don't play terran either, but I can easily go C, to probably be struggling alot around C+. Don't really know how far I can push my zerg, but I'd imagine it be about the same. I'd kind of expect all B level players or above to be able to execute all the basic builds/openings of the other races.

Then again, how long have you been playing Starcraft? The ability to play other races should have alot to do with experience.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
October 03 2008 21:51 GMT
#15
On October 04 2008 06:23 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 05:55 Zoler wrote:
On October 04 2008 00:49 Shauni wrote:
On October 04 2008 00:43 Xiberia wrote:
On October 04 2008 00:17 LastWish wrote:
My point exactly, at noob level all races are equivalently easy/hard.
You don't even need to go bio in TvZ, mech rapes noob zergs (otherwise it would be harder).

I think it's the reverse. At low levels protoss players have an advantage due to the easier mechanics, but at higher levels when almost everyone have decent mechanics it pretty much evens out.


So when low level was high level like a couple of years back, by your reasoning Protoss was super imba back then?

My intention wasn't to start another useless argumenting thread, just to carry out my personal investigation of what it's like to play the difficult races on low levels!


It doesnt work that way. At that time the strategys where different, micro was more important, low econ games etc.


So Protoss race is weaker when strategies are different, when micro is more important and when fighting in low economy games? Hmmm...


Who said that? Read better
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
October 03 2008 21:55 GMT
#16
Good fucking blog.

If your anything like me, it pisses you off losing to people whom you know you would beat with your main.

P.S: I hate that "Me Korea" response lol, total bullshit.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
October 03 2008 21:57 GMT
#17
On October 04 2008 06:51 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2008 06:23 Shauni wrote:
On October 04 2008 05:55 Zoler wrote:
On October 04 2008 00:49 Shauni wrote:
On October 04 2008 00:43 Xiberia wrote:
On October 04 2008 00:17 LastWish wrote:
My point exactly, at noob level all races are equivalently easy/hard.
You don't even need to go bio in TvZ, mech rapes noob zergs (otherwise it would be harder).

I think it's the reverse. At low levels protoss players have an advantage due to the easier mechanics, but at higher levels when almost everyone have decent mechanics it pretty much evens out.


So when low level was high level like a couple of years back, by your reasoning Protoss was super imba back then?

My intention wasn't to start another useless argumenting thread, just to carry out my personal investigation of what it's like to play the difficult races on low levels!


It doesnt work that way. At that time the strategys where different, micro was more important, low econ games etc.


So Protoss race is weaker when strategies are different, when micro is more important and when fighting in low economy games? Hmmm...


Who said that? Read better


Then elaborate, pretend I'm retarded.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
October 03 2008 22:09 GMT
#18
I can only offrace AGAINST protoss And all my offraces suck - oh well, as long as my main is fine I really don't care
Complete the cycle!
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
October 03 2008 23:06 GMT
#19
o.O nice other season stats
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-03 23:25:28
October 03 2008 23:10 GMT
#20
On October 04 2008 06:51 LaLuSh wrote:
Your terran really sucks in relation to you being such a skilled protoss player Shauni.

Don't understand how you can manage at higher levels of play without knowing the timings of the other races.

I don't play terran either, but I can easily go C, to probably be struggling alot around C+. Don't really know how far I can push my zerg, but I'd imagine it be about the same. I'd kind of expect all B level players or above to be able to execute all the basic builds/openings of the other races.

Then again, how long have you been playing Starcraft? The ability to play other races should have alot to do with experience.



Since 2001 online. I've played random for 3 years. Yeah, I went C+ with random some earlier iccup seasons, but when I find myself with another race I get the overwhelming feeling that I'm a creationist and can manage any unorthodox strategy at any level. I start to set handicaps for myself and when I realize my opponent can actually play I'm already fucked. I'll elaborate and make more examples of this later in my Aiur Dignity blog.

On October 04 2008 07:09 Naib wrote:
I can only offrace AGAINST protoss And all my offraces suck - oh well, as long as my main is fine I really don't care


And you're pretty sexy!

On October 04 2008 06:55 Salv wrote:
If your anything like me, it pisses you off losing to people whom you know you would beat with your main.

Haha, I know you man. Sometimes I can barely resist the temptation to go like '"RE IM P NOW DAMNIT I'M GONNA 1a2a3a4a5a YOUR ASS!"
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
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