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sqwert
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States781 Posts
September 04 2008 05:47 GMT
#21
i like sex, therefore i m a guy
if everythings coming your way, youre in the wrong lane. sAviOr 4evar!
rottedchode
Profile Joined August 2008
United States17 Posts
September 04 2008 05:54 GMT
#22
On September 04 2008 14:08 nA.Inky wrote:
I disagree Jibba; if someone cares about where I got that information from, they can look for themselves. This is the problem with citations: in modern technocratic societies, people are typically complacent and take cited statements as fact. "If it's in a journal, or even in a prestigious news paper, it MUST be true!" Bullshit! I'd rather not rely on that "unshakeable foundation of knowledge" that is built and protected by a priest-class of experts. I'd rather say what I believe to be true and let people think about it or look into it for themselves.

For my purposes, I don't even really care if it's true. I'm interested in the interplay of ideas. I don't even necessarily believe in Truth.

They once thought sperm "attacked" and fertilized the passive egg. Now it's said that sperm flounder aimlessly and the egg goes after the sperm. What is true? Is our truth ever divorced from politics and ideology? Can we ever escape metaphor in our observations? Should we even try?



That's actually why people ask for citation - depending on how reliable the source is, they choose to either believe it or not. In this specific case source is Inky which usually contains some pseudo philosophical made up bullshit that has no background whatsoever. Therefore whole argument based on his one statement was garbage.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 04 2008 06:15 GMT
#23
People generally ask for citation in an attempt to stave off the possibility that they are wrong.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
September 04 2008 06:17 GMT
#24
On September 04 2008 14:08 nA.Inky wrote:
I disagree Jibba; if someone cares about where I got that information from, they can look for themselves. This is the problem with citations: in modern technocratic societies, people are typically complacent and take cited statements as fact. "If it's in a journal, or even in a prestigious news paper, it MUST be true!" Bullshit! I'd rather not rely on that "unshakeable foundation of knowledge" that is built and protected by a priest-class of experts. I'd rather say what I believe to be true and let people think about it or look into it for themselves.

For my purposes, I don't even really care if it's true. I'm interested in the interplay of ideas. I don't even necessarily believe in Truth.

They once thought sperm "attacked" and fertilized the passive egg. Now it's said that sperm flounder aimlessly and the egg goes after the sperm. What is true? Is our truth ever divorced from politics and ideology? Can we ever escape metaphor in our observations? Should we even try?

What the hell? Are you serious, or did you trip out on some drug and get all weird? I will agree that there is no such thing as the ultimate truth, at least not one which we can understand. However, questioning the viability of peer reviewed sources that are done by some of the most brilliant minds in the world is a pretty fucking ignorant thing to do, simply because you have absolutely nothing to disprove them.

Without this system of checks, you would have to sift through mounds of dog shit before you could find something even remotely close to substantial. I'm not saying you should believe newspapers, but you've pretty much just shat on the basis for scientific progress due to your inability to understand it.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 04 2008 06:19 GMT
#25
Heh, I believe inky is completely right.

Figures, huh?
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
September 04 2008 06:19 GMT
#26
On September 04 2008 15:15 travis wrote:
People generally ask for citation in an attempt to stave off the possibility that they are wrong.

People refuse to give citations due to the fact that they are wrong.

You see, I can make broad assumptions too.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 04 2008 06:20 GMT
#27
On September 04 2008 15:19 mahnini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2008 15:15 travis wrote:
People generally ask for citation in an attempt to stave off the possibility that they are wrong.

People refuse to give citations due to the fact that they are wrong.

You see, I can make broad assumptions too.


People generally ask for citation in an attempt to stave off the possibility that they are wrong.




Should I have put "I think" in front of my post, your highness?
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
September 04 2008 06:24 GMT
#28
On September 04 2008 15:20 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2008 15:19 mahnini wrote:
On September 04 2008 15:15 travis wrote:
People generally ask for citation in an attempt to stave off the possibility that they are wrong.

People refuse to give citations due to the fact that they are wrong.

You see, I can make broad assumptions too.


People generally ask for citation in an attempt to stave off the possibility that they are wrong.




Should I have put "I think" in front of my post, your highness?

Um, no. If you told me the world was flat I would ask you for proof because I refuse to believe it unless you provide enough substantial evidence to disprove the idea that the world is round. This is the way to understanding.

If I sat there and accepted your proposal at face value, what kind of person would I be?

Answer: a dumbfuck
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 04 2008 06:35 GMT
#29
I apologize for getting angry - and I apologize for stating an opinion as though it was fact.

Unintentional.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
September 04 2008 06:43 GMT
#30
Hey you know what I just realized?

I could not comprehend why people would not put up citations because they actually give you different perspectives and a different understanding which you in turn could interpret.

You, however, see citations being used as a means to prove someone wrong or right and not a path to understanding. Even worse, is the fact that citations are not simply citations, but the ideas of people put into writing and rejecting these means that the only thing that you consider to be true is what YOU think is true. That you hold within yourself some unfathomable ability to ultimately discern what is or isn't true.

Something to think about.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 04 2008 06:51 GMT
#31
On September 04 2008 15:43 mahnini wrote:
Hey you know what I just realized?

I could not comprehend why people would not put up citations because they actually give you different perspectives and a different understanding which you in turn could interpret.



I am not sure what you mean. Isn't the purpose of a citation to validate what you or someone else is already saying?



You, however, see citations being used as a means to prove someone wrong or right and not a path to understanding.


Do not tell me what I see.


Even worse, is the fact that citations are not simply citations, but the ideas of people put into writing and rejecting these means that the only thing that you consider to be true is what YOU think is true.


I believe this is a good thing. Blind faith is a bad thing.

Investigate, incorporate what makes sense, move on.


That you hold within yourself some unfathomable ability to ultimately discern what is or isn't true.

Something to think about.


Don't understand what you are saying.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 04 2008 07:00 GMT
#32
@ the OP (since I'm too lazy to read everyone response... sorry):

I don't know what values you're hanging onto. Is a man cooking feminine to you? There have always been great male chefs. Is talking about feelings feminine to you? Every famous male writer in history is guilty of this.

I think the only thing that's different about the men of today, and the men on yesteryear, is that some of us are confused about how to act toward women. It's not romantic to ask every step of the way, but it's risking rape accusations if you're wrong. Men are scared to be as bold as they would have been once before. But society is evolving to go compensate for that. A man can be romantic by confessing his feelings for the girl, in which case if the girl responds positively, he knows he has the go ahead. It replaces the mood killings questions of "is it okay if I...?"

Women have changed too. In yesteryear it was an expectation that the woman tended to the home in a marriage, while the man made the money.

Change isn't necessarily bad. Rocky is a macho man, and he talks about his feelings all the time. Bruce Lee was a philosopher. What the hell is wrong with not being a dense as fuck "Eat. Sleep. Have sex." mentality? Men have always been thinking creatures =/

In short: Worry about yourself. If most guys are screwing up and acting like pussies, well then I guess you'll be reeling in a lot of girls with your manliness If you're wrong, you'll find out soon enough.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
September 04 2008 07:01 GMT
#33
On September 04 2008 15:51 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2008 15:43 mahnini wrote:
Hey you know what I just realized?

I could not comprehend why people would not put up citations because they actually give you different perspectives and a different understanding which you in turn could interpret.



I am not sure what you mean. Isn't the purpose of a citation to validate what you or someone else is already saying?

While that may be the superficial purpose, I believe the purpose of citations is to educate and enable the exploration of differing perspectives.

Show nested quote +

You, however, see citations being used as a means to prove someone wrong or right and not a path to understanding.


Do not tell me what I see.

I didn't, you did. See above quote.

Show nested quote +

Even worse, is the fact that citations are not simply citations, but the ideas of people put into writing and rejecting these means that the only thing that you consider to be true is what YOU think is true.


I believe this is a good thing. Blind faith is a bad thing.

Investigate, incorporate what makes sense, move on.

Yes, but inky is implying that the notion of citations themselves is not a viable method of presentation. That there is some big bad entity controlling it.

Show nested quote +

That you hold within yourself some unfathomable ability to ultimately discern what is or isn't true.

Something to think about.


Don't understand what you are saying.

Simply put, if you believe inky's implication then you wouldn't consider anybody's opinion other than your own.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 04 2008 07:07 GMT
#34
Oohh... I want to throw my two cents into this little side argument

I am not sure what you mean. Isn't the purpose of a citation to validate what you or someone else is already saying?

A citation is provided in general so that two people arguing believe the same truths, but are comparing viewpoints and other experiences. If one person believes the gap between rich and poor in America is very low, and the other believes it is high, there is no point of them arguing about it. Neither one can come to a conclusion with the other because one or both doesn't know what they're talking about. Misunderstandings arise, and both thinks the other is an idiot until they discover this fundamental fact to their argument is disputed, and until they discover the correct answer... Neither has any business arguing.

It's why you can't write a professional essay without citations... What if you have your facts wrong? You waste a lot of time arguing a point that quite frankly doesn't exist due to it being based on a false assumption.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-04 07:12:31
September 04 2008 07:11 GMT
#35
On September 04 2008 16:01 mahnini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2008 15:51 travis wrote:
On September 04 2008 15:43 mahnini wrote:
Hey you know what I just realized?

I could not comprehend why people would not put up citations because they actually give you different perspectives and a different understanding which you in turn could interpret.



I am not sure what you mean. Isn't the purpose of a citation to validate what you or someone else is already saying?

While that may be the superficial purpose, I believe the purpose of citations is to educate and enable the exploration of differing perspectives.


If that was the case, no citation should ever be necessary.

Show nested quote +

You, however, see citations being used as a means to prove someone wrong or right and not a path to understanding.


Do not tell me what I see.

I didn't, you did. See above quote.


No, I see them as a means to verify the accuracy of a statement or standpoint. And yes, that is different.

I said absolutely nothing about their affects on the pursuit of understanding.


Show nested quote +

Even worse, is the fact that citations are not simply citations, but the ideas of people put into writing and rejecting these means that the only thing that you consider to be true is what YOU think is true.


I believe this is a good thing. Blind faith is a bad thing.

Investigate, incorporate what makes sense, move on.

Yes, but inky is implying that the notion of citations themselves is not a viable method of presentation. That there is some big bad entity controlling it.


I don't think inky is conclusively saying anything.

Show nested quote +

That you hold within yourself some unfathomable ability to ultimately discern what is or isn't true.

Something to think about.


Don't understand what you are saying.

Simply put, if you believe inky's implication then you wouldn't consider anybody's opinion other than your own.


I try to consider as much as possible. I try to believe what makes sense.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
September 04 2008 07:32 GMT
#36
Ok, I've completely lost sight about what we were discussing.

Here's a basic summary:
1. inky believes citations are useless
2. inky believes you should do your own research (somehow different from what citations provide)
3. inky believes he doesn't have to backup what he says
4. travis believes citations are a way to validate arguments
5. i believe citations are a way to understand the other side of an argument
6. 4 and 5 are kind of the same but hold differing mentalities
7. i get into a discussion with travis in which backpedals his agreement with inky and takes the neutral stance on everything

THERE
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 04 2008 07:45 GMT
#37
No, I still agree with inky.

I feel no need to defend this statement.
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
September 04 2008 08:08 GMT
#38
You can make your own home-made soap and then see what happens from there.

Just kidding. Anyway lol my mom was pointing this out to me over the summer, how men nowadays are acting all sissy and indecisive, wearing pink shirts and can't do any sports or anything athletic. She then says she's very glad that I'm not following this trend.

I think this is a product of people having office jobs, long working hours so they don't have time to do any sports, and then they go home and watch TV that fills their minds with an image of what they're supposed to look like: covered in brands with skin as shiny as a newborn baby's butt cheek.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-04 10:16:39
September 04 2008 10:13 GMT
#39
That is because in our modern age, the "intrinsic" qualities a man has (physical strength, endurance etc.) have become largely irrelevant (in most jobs you aren't doing any more physical work, and you also don't have to hunt for food anymore). What matters these days is intelligence and charisma and the ability to express yourself. Obviously, women as the more social and communicative beings are usually better in #2 and #3, for many men that's not so easy. Furthermore, some personal traits a "real man" has (roughness, not caring about much, not being overly hygienic, not having perfect manners, and other things) are often considered bad these days.
It's only natural that men become more like women (or let's rather say: BEHAVE more like women). Because that's the smartest and most socially accepted way now. Women still like the men who play the tough guy, but it's not like you should behave most of the time anymore.
8Pylon
Profile Joined April 2008
United States223 Posts
September 04 2008 14:47 GMT
#40
this blog is soooo unimportant e.e

1 star
I 3 pooled your mom with a napping drone, then scarabed her face. GG
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