From my PERSONAL experience and perspective, i have started realizing a lot of men acting more and more like women. They would talk so softly, and basically use body languages that many women would use(its hard to explain phsyical body language movements...).
Constantly looking at what others are doing, and basing their decisions based on what others think/do, some guys would literally ask everytime before they do something. Some guys would like tell their troubles to their female/male friends in public places in which i can hear! When i see these stuff, it frustrates me... Obviously TONS of guys are excluded from this, but just incase some of these values applies to you, catch yourself.
Edit: I understand if a guy is gay, and he acts like a women. I accept it and give him my 100% respect. What upsets me is when a guy's feminity takes over his mind, which is displayed through his body language.
On September 04 2008 13:24 YanGpaN wrote: From my PERSONAL experience and perspective, i have started realizing a lot of men acting more and more like women. They would talk so softly, and basically use body languages that many women would use(its hard to explain phsyical body language movements...).
Constantly looking at what others are doing, and basing their decisions based on what others think/do. It sometimes upsets me to see a guy do this...
Despite what I just wrote in that feminist blog, I actually do a lot of things that "women" are supposed to do and don't give a f*** about it.
I shave more of my body than most men (and some women) do. I don't go around farting and confronting people to prove the size of my penis, and I don't eat huge chicken legs or anything like that.
But as far as body language, or decisions, or whatever you're talking about, I have no idea. Sounds crazy to me.
Edit: I didn't write that blog about feminists, I wrote IN it saying that the author should contact me as I am hairy and don't wear deodorant (which aren't true) much like the women he was idealizing.
you may be right. People seem much shyer nowadays too. Maybe we're evolving, or maybe we're becoming dissociated from society by all the new communication technology where we don't see each other in person so much. Which means as men, we're learning to communicate better...like women.
oh, and also yangpan, nowadays it seems there isn't the typical asshole guy anymore. In the past there always used to be those stereotypical bullies/jocks, but instead they all have learned to gain an even higher social value by being "nice" assholes.
Which allows them to easily have the women they want, because since everyone is getting more shy, it means the quiet shy ones don't have any value comparatively to the evolved gentlemanly asshole.
On September 04 2008 13:27 YanGpaN wrote: yeah ancestral, theres like tons of things i realize in life as the day goes by, but keeps forgeting it later on, and your blog reminded me of this.
LOL... it's not my blog. I just wrote a joke in it. Unfortunately it probably wasn't that funny.
Yeah, men should act like men, and women like women. I don't care what your sexual preference is, but its not at all related to your personal actions and personality. Simply put, fairy men and beastly women are completely and utterly unacceptable, just as unacceptable as transvestites- who I am sorry, are mentally ill. I'm a man trapped in a women's body. Honestly what kind of society but the most PC [ours] would not think, immediately "oh this person has a chemical imbalance, we should provide him with help before he mutilates himself and undergoes constant social degradation". Jeez.
On September 04 2008 13:29 ScarFace wrote: Yeah, men should act like men, and women like women. I don't care what your sexual preference is, but its not at all related to your personal actions and personality. Simply put, fairy men and beastly women are completely and utterly unacceptable, just as unacceptable as transvestites- who I am sorry, are mentally ill. I'm a man trapped in a women's body. Honestly what kind of society but the most PC [ours] would not think, immediately "oh this person has a chemical imbalance, we should provide him with help before he mutilates himself and undergoes constant social degradation". Jeez.
I think people can make weird life decisions, but the idea of being "born the wrong sex" is completely ridiculous, I agree.
I however, like hygiene (shave dark areas with hair) and it helps mentally with bicycle racing (you think you're faster when your legs are shaved). But I still act "like a man" I guess.
Im only 19 but, in my short lifetime, at least in my country, kid's are every day more and more fucked up, maybe is the tv (mtv), maybe the music they listen to, the artist they look up to or maybe they don't spend much time with their parents. Regarding on what Ancestral wrote, you can be manly and shave at the same time, it has nothing to do with behaving like a women imo.
So many assumptions in this blog that ought to be seriously questioned!
My contention is this: manliness is that which men do.
If men are more open about insecurities, that is manly. If they move in certain ways, that is manly.
Look, so much of this stuff is cultural. It used to be very normal in Europe for men to kiss each other full on the lips. IN ancient Greece, what we call homosexuality was VERY common (perhaps valued over heterosexuality).
Gayness and femininity are totally separate! (The idea of the feminine is another thing that should be challenged - why should docile behavior be feminine, for example?) There is nothing about being gay that makes one womanly! Did you know that on average, gay men have both MORE testosterone and BIGGER dicks than straight men? I'm not joking. And if you add more testosterone to a gay man, he does not become hetero - he becomes MORE gay. All this assumes manliness goes hand in hand with testosterone, which to me is a silly reductionist sort of view.
If you do want to make a biological sort of argument (and I think most of TL.net leans that way), you could look at it from the perspective that modern lifestyles are reducing testosterone and exposing men to all sorts of estrogen mimicking substances.
True, men and women are not what they used to be. Let's state this with no value judgment!
There are just soooooooo many assumptions in this blog that it troubles me.... It implies that it is womanly to be insecure, docile, openly emotional, etc, and manly to be bold, decisive, etc.... This is cultural stuff.
On September 04 2008 13:45 nA.Inky wrote: Did you know that on average, gay men have both MORE testosterone and BIGGER dicks than straight men? I'm not joking.
I'm staying the fuck out of this discussion except for this. You have to cite something for a statement like that.
I would suggest that gay men are stereotypically feminine because that is how our culture has defined homosexuality for men. Our culture can't wrap its collective mind around the fact that a gay man can be truly like a straight man in all respects except sexual preference. My best friend is a very openly gay man, and you'd never guess he is gay if it weren't for the fact that he talks about it so openly. And he doesn't like feminine men. He likes muscular, healthy men.
I know another gay man who DOES come off like the stereotypical lisping, very sensitive, insecure gay man. I don't know why he is like that, but I suspect modern Western gay men are sometimes this way because, again, our culture has told them that this is how gay men ought to be - this is the only way they can be.
Jibba: I don't have to do anything. I won't cite anything because 1) I don't have the source handy and 2) I politically reject a technocratic system that says there is some eternal unshakeable foundation of knowledge that we must all point to for validation of our arguments. We should all think for ourselves and look deeply for ourselves. If you place your faith in experts, then don't believe me...... I don't lose sleep over that. But if that is where your faith is, my faith is in the idea that you will be frequently misled by people who ostensibly serve the cause of pure knowledge, but REALLY serve myriad causes that have nothing to do with truth, and everything to do with politics.
That's fine if you want to take your whole anti-tech stance, but in that case you should edit the comment out and not use it as evidence, since you don't agree with it either. You can't use something as evidence and then say it doesn't need citing because you don't believe in it as evidence.
On September 04 2008 13:45 nA.Inky wrote: Did you know that on average, gay men have both MORE testosterone and BIGGER dicks than straight men? I'm not joking.
I'm staying the fuck out of this discussion except for this. You have to cite something for a statement like that.
Rofl. Where the hell do you get this kind of stuff from?
I disagree Jibba; if someone cares about where I got that information from, they can look for themselves. This is the problem with citations: in modern technocratic societies, people are typically complacent and take cited statements as fact. "If it's in a journal, or even in a prestigious news paper, it MUST be true!" Bullshit! I'd rather not rely on that "unshakeable foundation of knowledge" that is built and protected by a priest-class of experts. I'd rather say what I believe to be true and let people think about it or look into it for themselves.
For my purposes, I don't even really care if it's true. I'm interested in the interplay of ideas. I don't even necessarily believe in Truth.
They once thought sperm "attacked" and fertilized the passive egg. Now it's said that sperm flounder aimlessly and the egg goes after the sperm. What is true? Is our truth ever divorced from politics and ideology? Can we ever escape metaphor in our observations? Should we even try?
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