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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
August 29 2008 07:59 GMT
#1
It was noted in the thread about Requiem and Raid Assault 2 being reintroduced into the proleague that it was somewhat indicative of the declining state of SC in Korea. Personally, I have seen my viewtime of SC decrease in the past few months, and all I ever watch now is the OSL/MSL/GOM finals, or matches that are close to the finals. Proleague pretty much gets screwed, except perhaps the occasional epic game.

How much of this is simply the macro-oriented maps/playstyles, making for less obviously "HOLY SHIT" moments? I mean sure, there are still amazing plays that occur, moments of "WOW HOLY SHIT THAT MICRO, THAT MULTITASK", but the general play seems less interesting than it was in 2006/2007, and it's not just that I may know what is to come. It's more of plain boring games.

About those gems that do appear. They are rather few and scattered about, if you consider the mass of games that occur. Perhaps one of the problems is that the market is saturated (or maybe slightly oversaturated). There's just so many events going on that there is no way one can hope to watch them all, or even have that much interest in their result. It's like if the NBA had a 3 1v1 leagues and then the normal team league too, all going on at once.

From that latter point, it seems that the mass of leagues is also the reason we will most likely never see a bonjwa again. Once someone becomes a bonjwa, or is at the top and preparing to solidy their control, their skill immediately puts them into every league at once, and then they cannot hope to practice for all their matches. Take Flash for example. He was RAPING, but it was clear that he was getting worn out from overuse, and started recycling the same strat over and over, until it caused his dominance to fade.

Maybe there should be less leagues. Imagine if the OSL were the new NBA, and each match to go to the next round were BO5 or BO7, even at the early stages. Sure, each individual match would last longer, but then there is less chance of random bullshit screwing over someone who definitely has a better chance of winning the whole thing, and in addition, the players will have plenty of time to prepare. Of course this then begs the question of wtf happens to the players who lose early on, and have no other leagues to occupy themselves with. But perhaps they can occupy themselves with preparation for OSC, to get them back into the next OSL. I wonder how the level and entertainment of play would fare if players had this massively sufficient time to prepare, with only one goal in their sights, with no worries about team duties and other leagues.

Or I could be spewing a lot of random bs because it is 4 in the morning. Damn, I have 9 am class. Maybe I will continue this rant later -___--;;

Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
August 29 2008 09:02 GMT
#2
the more you watch, the more you've seen. standard micro nowadays would have been absolutely amazing to watch 6 years ago.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 29 2008 10:29 GMT
#3
There is a direct correlation between the IEG takeover of Proleauge and the shutting out of OGN/MBC and a decline in a quality of Starcraft. (not to mention progressively worse maps being used)
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
August 29 2008 12:45 GMT
#4
On August 29 2008 18:02 Artosis wrote:
the more you watch, the more you've seen. standard micro nowadays would have been absolutely amazing to watch 6 years ago.


Yes, I agree with this. And I don't know anything about numbers but to me SC seems to be doing pretty well. There are still new tournaments popping up all the time and it looks like the future of the Proleague/MSL/OSL is secure.

One thing to consider is that for Starcraft in general to remain popular for many, many years to come, Brood War only really has to "hold on" for a couple more years until SCII comes out. Hopefully, the release will reinvigorate the SC scene and we can enjoy at least ten more years of professional SC.

The main reason I think viewership has declined (and attendance at live events, especially) is that the jump in competitiveness means that it's much harder to be a Bonjwa these days. Even though all of the leagues are formatted to favor existing top players, we still don't see any dominant force on the scale of Boxer, sAviOr, iloveoov. I think that fans follow the game because of the players, not the maps or micro action. When any given player only has at most a few months at the top of the heap (and even then, his lead over up-and-coming players is probably only marginal) it's hard to really keep following the game.

Maybe the decline in viewership is just sAviOr fans giving up...lol
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