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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
August 15 2008 02:12 GMT
#21
I love biking but travelling somewhat a far distance does not seem interesting b/c you would smell bad.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
August 15 2008 03:15 GMT
#22
On August 15 2008 11:06 JohnColtrane wrote:
edit: there are very few things in this world that can compare to the joy and pride that i experience when i finish up a jog covered in sweat. when im running and my face is saturated with sweat so much that my eyes begin to sting from the sodium, come home and jump in the pool or pour cold water onto myself - feels great both physically and mentally (i feel proud that i worked so hard)


as long as all your jogs aren't like that.. make sure to have easy jogs/rest days to reduce risk of injury ice baths are really amazing though, they save my shins for sure.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 15 2008 03:26 GMT
#23
its fine, i havent suffered an injury or anything from jogging, the worst ive ever had was a sprained ankle playing soccer, and after that i havent played soccer since because 1-2weeks of sitting down and not running was FUCKING HELL. so i gave it up, besides team sports boring anyway

its hot here and thus i sweat more, and i make sure i drink plenty of water so i dont dehydrate and cramp up and get sick
HEY MEYT
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
August 15 2008 03:40 GMT
#24
While you are right to point out the flaws of cars, you make it sound like no good as come of the Automobile. The automobile has singlehandedly fueled the explosive of growth of human production, allowing one man to produce unprecedented amounts of goods. This vastly increased production has allowed many many more people to pursue a path they are interested in rather than simply working to produce goods for a much smaller upper class.

Due to this increase in freedom, we see corresponding explosive growth in scientific knowledge, leading to ever increase production leading to ever increasing scientific knowledge. They are two cycles that really feed each other. This current cycle of scientific growth was precipitated by none other than cars, which you hate so much. After the construction of the Instate Highway System, we landed on the moon, trounced the Russians in the Cold War, began the Internet, and became the most powerful nation in history.

On the whole though I agree with you. Despite this massive increase in productivity, man doesn't really seem happier than before. A large part of that is probably that increases in production and scientific knowledge also make life more complex and difficult to live.

Personally, I ride a bike everywhere. It is much better for your body and better for the planet.

When cars are run on renewable energy, I'll start driving again
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 15 2008 03:46 GMT
#25
im not arguing the importance of cars, planes, ships or any other vehicle, but i think for your average person that only needs transport to get to and from work or to go around a relatively local area, then a bike is much better
HEY MEYT
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
August 15 2008 03:52 GMT
#26
overall I sort of agree with Stan as well, a lot of the times cars are simply necessary (less often than people think, but still)

although this part was downright silly:
On August 15 2008 12:40 GeneralStan wrote:
After the construction of the Instate Highway System, we landed on the moon, trounced the Russians in the Cold War, began the Internet, and became the most powerful nation in history.


reminds me of:
From Anonymous Lawyer:
Since Lay formed Enron after a merger in 1985, the Berlin Wall has fallen, we've seen the rise of the Internet and new information technologies, AIDS has become a manageable illness instead of a death sentence, and the Red Sox have won the World Series. Surely Ken Lay and Enron deserve credit for much of this. But all that gets forgetten because of some fraudulent partnerships and financial schemes. It's unfair. Unfair to the legacy of Ken Lay, and unfair to the lawyers who tried to defend him. It's a sad day for corporate America when a man like Kenneth Lay dies.


=)
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
nA.Inky
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States794 Posts
August 15 2008 03:56 GMT
#27
John Coltrane - Thank you very much for your nice words. That was very appreciated. Unfortunately due to fatigue, I can't give you a good reply right now, but wanted to say thanks for your comments in general. Also, if running instead of cycling is working for you, I support you 100%. You are actually one-upping us bicyclists, contributing even less to pollution and waste.. The only downside is that you will wear out your knees in a few decades (give or take...). You can extend your running habit if you run on grass or other softer terrain. Please remain car-free! You are very special already for being proudly car-free. I admire you. I admire anyone who chooses car-freedom.

GeneralStan - I can't do an adequate reply now, but I recommend you check out Ivan Illich's books. Relating specifically to transportation and freedom is the book "Energy and Equity." He explains how cars actually reduce freedom for most people. This book can be found online for free.

I am not against the transport of goods. I'm mostly against automobiles for individuals and families. I think we could reap the benefits of vehicles without every family/person having one.

I'm glad you added in some critical words of progress/science. It shows you aren't blindly accepting of science. I am rather critical of science and technological development, but don't have a black and white view either. Obviously I do tend towards a more neo-luddite position, without quite being a neo-luddite.

I'll aim to type more tomorrow when I'm less fatigued. Thanks all for the wonderful comments, critical, praising, and in between.
Email (use instead of PM): InkMeister at aol dot com AIM: InkMeister
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
August 15 2008 04:03 GMT
#28
Woo, power to the bicycle. I love cycling.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 15 2008 04:14 GMT
#29
how does cycling contribute to waste at all? maybe from the tires? or are you talking about the disposal and removal of old bikes?
HEY MEYT
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 15 2008 06:02 GMT
#30
I'm a big fan of bicycling, too: certainly for something within a five-mile radius, I'd prefer to take a bike than a car. I bike about 6.5 miles back and forth to college twice a week for the summer class I'm taking. Oddly, I hate jogging, but a bicycle is different: when I'm sitting on one, I feel like I can go anywhere I like with minimal effort--on foot, I'm stuck. And yes, I realize that in a car I can go a lot further with a lot less effort than a bike, but somehow it's not the same feeling when your burning gasoline to do it.

My bike is a Univega Rover--good bike; I don't think they make them anymore. It's a mountain bike (I believe that when I got the bike, mountain bikes were in fashion for some reason): the thick tires are pretty much wasted for the street riding that I do, and the bent-over position you need to take for the handlebars can get annoying, but it does have quite good balance, so if it's not uphill, I often ride without hands so that I can sit upright. I've had this bicycle for a long time now, and I like it very well, although I can't quite see myself naming it.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
August 15 2008 07:54 GMT
#31
I've been car free for the entire summer... it's been an interesting experience getting around with only a bike. Simple things like going to the grocery store, mailing a package, and getting to and from work now take planning and thinking.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-15 08:28:53
August 15 2008 08:28 GMT
#32
whenever i ride my bike now i sing the bike theme from pokemon red
HEY MEYT
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-15 08:46:21
August 15 2008 08:46 GMT
#33
what do you guys think about fixed-gear bicycles :D





On August 15 2008 17:28 JohnColtrane wrote:
whenever i ride my bike now i sing the bike theme from pokemon red


hahahah
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nA.Inky
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States794 Posts
August 15 2008 15:24 GMT
#34
Awesome posts, dudes.

Coltrane - bicycling is perhaps more wasteful than walking/running because it takes resources to produce a bicycle, and there is probably some pollution generated in the process. Bicycles require lubricant, which is oil based, and some of the chemicals involved are pretty toxic. The tires wear out and need to be replaced, and they are rubber. Compared to a car, we might as well say a bicycle doesn't pollute at all (even compared to hybrid cars and such). But if we are truly honest, we must admit that they aren't as environmentally friendly as walking or jogging. The one thing I will say, though, is that cycling uses far fewer calories than walking, and WAY fewer than jogging. This means you need more fuel to jog. If your diet incorporates meat, then it may work out that your jogging is more wasteful than cycling. I won't attempt to calculate this here, but merely point out that it is something to consider. Good question!

QRS - good post. It's good to hear about your bike, too! I think mountain bikes are more popular in general (also more targeted by thieves). One thing you could do if you cycle much is to switch out your tires with some slicks. It will make a difference! I'd also like to point out that while it SEEMS more effortless to move places in a car, this is an illusion, since you also have to factor in all the time you work to earn money to keep a car. Cars are, as I said, false economy.

Across Five July's - Good post. Keep on being car free! You are right, it does take a little more thought if you get around with just a bicycle, but it is very doable, and I find that having to be more aware of what I am doing is kind of nice. But the main thing I'll say is that the best thing you can do for a bike is get a rear rack and some good pannier bags. This makes shopping easy. I virtually never ride without at least one pannier bag - what if I find something cool and want to take it home? Also, if you use panniers to replace a backpack, your back won't get so sweaty. Perhaps you already know and do this! Anyhow, more power to ya!




Email (use instead of PM): InkMeister at aol dot com AIM: InkMeister
nA.Inky
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States794 Posts
August 15 2008 15:27 GMT
#35
Paper - I think fixed gears are a silly trendy kind of bicycle. I find them to be dangerous and not nearly as useful as even a free-wheeling single speed. I'll never ride anything other than a good gearing bicycle if I have any choice. However, I do know people who ride fixed gear bikes, and they love it and get around quite well. They are surprisingly fast in certain conditions.

The main thing I'll say is that if a fixed gear bicycle gets you into bicycling as a way to get around, it's a good thing. But it ain't for me!
Email (use instead of PM): InkMeister at aol dot com AIM: InkMeister
ulszz
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Jamaica1787 Posts
August 15 2008 18:37 GMT
#36
that was a fun read. i don't own a bike, but i do own a longboard. i love it. every time i have a chance to ride it instead of driving my car i do. i love the wind in my face when i ride, i love the speed and the smoothness of the ride. just thinking about it makes me want to go and just ride somewhere.
everliving, everfaithful, eversure
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
August 19 2008 05:19 GMT
#37
great blog.
I definitely want to be able to bike to work, we'll see if situations allow for it.
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
August 19 2008 05:44 GMT
#38
Driving a car is expensive and doesn't make you stronger. I bike everywhere except class in the morning sometimes, because I always feel nauseous for about my first waking hour.

My bike is some steel Bianchi with a top tube that's a little too long so my back hurts when I ride it. But I usually man up and deal with it.

There's this tour in my city called TOSRV, and my brother does it every year (though he lives 700 miles away).

In April I said "I'll go with you" (the tour was in May). So I did. He raped me ruthlessly, I didn't expect it to be so hard. But ever since, I've been into cycling. Of course, I rode the tour on some POS 25 year old Raleigh, but then he got me this new bike, since one of his cycling friends also likes motorcycles, but he's a hippie. My brother is a Ducati mechanic, and so fixed his motorcycle, but being a hippie he couldn't afford the bill so he gave my brother that Bianchi. Now I ride it and can go slightly faster.

Interesting how all sorts of chance things come together, just like in your case.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
August 19 2008 05:46 GMT
#39
But op, why do you think running contributes less to pollution than cycling? Sure you need to physically make the bike, but cycling requires far fewer calories. Try running 10 miles, and see how hungry you get afterward. Probably very, but cycling 10 miles is nothing.

After 2 or 3 thousand years it probably ends up more efficient than running.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
August 19 2008 06:04 GMT
#40
@ Inky - I think you and I are really on the same page. Advances in production in technology and productivity are not equivalent to advances in human well-being. I do however think that we are better off living with the benefits of modern medicine, free time, and adequate access to foodstuffs (though I would argue that our modern society has failed to provide adequate access to *healthy* foodstuffs). I'm not sure though that humanity is really capable of happiness as it were, and I would argue that humanity's tendency to never be satisfied is an evolutionary advantage that has lead to the marvels of our century (we truly are the only animal that has a sense of being better off tomorrow than we are today). Given that animal inability to find happiness, I would argue that scientific progress and material advancement are adequate benchmarks to measure our success as a species, and as such, the automobile is a plus to human society.

On the other hand, I agree that for many, a car is a luxury rather than a necessity, and a luxury that binds us into a way of living that we may not be comfortable with. Where I live in Arizona, a car really isn't a luxury, given the scale of things (I'm somewhat of an oddity, having chosen to live within easy biking distance of groceries and work (which - truly - many more could make the decision to live closer to those requirements)). However, it is the initial luxury of fast travel that allows those great distances skewing what was once a method of faster travel into merely a device of greater travel (that is to say, without cars, things would be within biking distance and instead of spending 30 minutes to go 10 miles in our cars, we would be doing the same 30 minutes to go 2 miles on a bike, and be happier for it). For transporting goods across the country (the very lifeblood of this modern economy), cars are completely necessary. In day to day living a good argument can be made that they bind us to a life of traveling more than we really need to, along with contributing to global warming, resource wars, and a sedentary lifestyle.

I'm probably getting to cerebral about this, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts

@ JeeJee. Give me a break. My analogy has some pretty solid backing while that guy was just pulling shit from his ass. Simply listing things that happened after an event is useless, I agree, but I can make a pretty solid case that the Interstate highway system really did contribute to the marvels of the modern era.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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