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blagoonga123
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2068 Posts
August 07 2008 01:27 GMT
#1
I play with my roommate every once in a while who's a huge noob (like 30 apm)

So far I've tried playing mouse only and giving him allied vision (and both, once) but I still beat him. What's another advantage I can give him that'll help him out but still let me play? (so no closing my eyes or stuff like that)

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Mickey
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2606 Posts
August 07 2008 01:29 GMT
#2
On August 07 2008 10:27 blagoonga123 wrote:
I play with my roommate every once in a while who's a huge noob (like 30 apm)

So far I've tried playing mouse only and giving him allied vision (and both, once) but I still beat him. What's another advantage I can give him that'll help him out but still let me play? (so no closing my eyes or stuff like that)

There's nothing you can really do to be honest.

You could try giving him a headstart in mining, or not expoing more than once at a time.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
August 07 2008 01:32 GMT
#3
Don't mine for the first X minutes.
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
August 07 2008 01:35 GMT
#4
play with a blindfold on
GrayArea
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States872 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-07 01:36:40
August 07 2008 01:36 GMT
#5
Play with 30 apm also, and make rules like "only zerglings and hydras can be made" or like "only templars and scouts" etc. etc.

edit: i mean the rules apply to yourself only, not the noob friend.
Kang Min Fighting!
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
August 07 2008 01:41 GMT
#6
Switch your mouse and keyboard, and set mouse acceleration as high as it can go.

GG mechanics.
Trust in Bayes.
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
August 07 2008 01:42 GMT
#7
limit your worker count
blabberrrrr
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9106 Posts
August 07 2008 01:42 GMT
#8
Do something like GrayArea said. You can only make scouts or dts or something like that.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
August 07 2008 01:42 GMT
#9
start with 3 scvs.
or 2 scvs.

Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 07 2008 01:47 GMT
#10
On August 07 2008 10:27 blagoonga123 wrote:
I play with my roommate every once in a while who's a huge noob (like 30 apm)

So far I've tried playing mouse only and giving him allied vision (and both, once) but I still beat him. What's another advantage I can give him that'll help him out but still let me play? (so no closing my eyes or stuff like that)


try to repeatedly attack him with too few units


when you do so, stop macroing and focus all your attention on microing the units until they are dead
allowicious
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-07 01:49:47
August 07 2008 01:47 GMT
#11
-Start with 1 or 2 scvs
-play with mouse using left hand only
-you can't have more than 1 fact/rax/gate
-you can't scout with your scvs, you can only scout with your first unit

a few options you can try
lalalalala~~~
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25991 Posts
August 07 2008 01:49 GMT
#12
I've played games with my friends:
- Mouse only
- Feet only
- Left hand only (hardest one)
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Antipathy
Profile Joined June 2008
United States222 Posts
August 07 2008 01:49 GMT
#13
When I was first starting, my friend who was teaching me was leaps and bounds ahead of me. We first tried making him vision me, but then that turned into me becoming bad at scouting once we turned it off. The best solution we came up with was me getting a 60 second head start where he could not do anything.

Obviously, I tried to abuse this advantage by rushing every game. As a result my early game is really refined and now I can keep up with him in the early game.
"All give some, some give all"
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 07 2008 01:53 GMT
#14
On August 07 2008 10:49 Chill wrote:
I've played games with my friends:
- Mouse only
- Feet only
- Left hand only (hardest one)


ur better with ur feet than ur left hand?

lol
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 07 2008 01:59 GMT
#15
On August 07 2008 10:53 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2008 10:49 Chill wrote:
I've played games with my friends:
- Mouse only
- Feet only
- Left hand only (hardest one)


ur better with ur feet than ur left hand?

lol

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Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
August 07 2008 01:59 GMT
#16
force yourself to watch battles, but refuse to micro.
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
August 07 2008 02:26 GMT
#17
reverse the keys on ur mouse, so ur left clicker is now ur right clicker.
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-07 02:44:13
August 07 2008 02:34 GMT
#18
I think the best ones are:

Limit your build (buildings or unit choice) - maybe to something completely retarded, like Scouts & Arbiters Only, or No Factory Units & No Academy.

No more than 2 active mineral lines at any given time. (If he's really bad, make that 1.)

Sacrifice 10 workers every 10 minutes by attack-move to his base. (If that kills him.... well..... fuck, why is he still playing... -.- ok that's mean)

Limit yourself to 50 supply the whole game.

Limit yourself to 20 buildings, max. Trickier because you have to count the buildings manually.

Play Sudden Death mode, and don't hit any of his primary buildings until everything else is gone.

To make everything harder, tell him the restriction you're placing on yourself, so he can exploit it better.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
August 07 2008 02:35 GMT
#19
Teach him to be better.
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
August 07 2008 02:36 GMT
#20
flip your mouse over so you have to use your finger on the censor to move it and push it down to click.
UNFUCK YOURSELF
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
August 07 2008 02:39 GMT
#21
try to kill him with mass workers
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
August 07 2008 02:44 GMT
#22
2v1? Give him a comp ally or something. Keep racking up comp allies until it becomes a challenge...

this is my quote.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
August 07 2008 02:47 GMT
#23
Let him choose the exact tech/units you are allowed to use before the game starts. (Probably good in addition to allied vision.) This should be fun for you too since you have to try to win with weird unit combos.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-07 03:00:53
August 07 2008 02:56 GMT
#24
What makes it faster him to learn is: he will share his vision with you but you don't, then you spam chat what he needs to do, for example, "scv (what ever is his race)" and make sure he builds that while making your own base. This should limit your base building/unit production because you are constantly watching his base that everything runs smoothly. Unless guy gets pissed of constant saying what to do, his APM should rise constantly because he starts remembering building workers/units cycles.

Oh and count how many units/workers he have because you need to know when to build depot/pylon/overlord.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 07 2008 03:00 GMT
#25
Limit yourself to one mining base at a time and tech rush, or play normally and never attack with more than 12 units at a time.
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
August 07 2008 03:04 GMT
#26
play different races and do wacky strats

used to work for me and my huge noob of a friend, who had like 30 apm ( considering my offraces are god awful)

then i tried to make him play more and he quit
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
August 07 2008 03:13 GMT
#27
Switch hands.
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ulszz
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Jamaica1787 Posts
August 07 2008 03:48 GMT
#28
On August 07 2008 10:53 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2008 10:49 Chill wrote:
I've played games with my friends:
- Mouse only
- Feet only
- Left hand only (hardest one)


ur better with ur feet than ur left hand?

lol

lolllll awesome.

you could try to teach him some.
everliving, everfaithful, eversure
demonic_phate
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States442 Posts
August 07 2008 03:51 GMT
#29
when I play my dad he gets a 2-4 minute head start. I just dont mine for that time :/b
BusyP
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
August 07 2008 06:09 GMT
#30
i have a similar thing, my friends are coming back into town, here's the list of strategies i'm thinking of:
200/200 SCV attack
triple or quadruple expo before rax into "standard" play after that
no tanks or vults
mass wraith tvp
offrace and do joke strats like stove
do a "supply depot rush" to wall him into his own base
manner depot
mind control my zerg friend's drones and do ridiculous shit
liftoff on a map like LT and zodiac, kill my starting SCVs (or maybe rush with them) and play from the island using air units (lol he'll be like "WTF" when he can't find my starting base if he scouts at all)
valk rush tvz
valk rush tvp
SCV drops
bio tvp all game, no tanks or vessels at all, even into lategame when he has ht/dt/reaver/everything
no upgrades
mass vult tvz
mass vult tvt (if anyone actually plays T around here)
queen rush and broodling all his workers
or just mass queen+defiler and plague then broodling so the broodlings kill his other units in like 1 hit
see if i can win a pvp with only slowzeals
see if i can win a tvp with only raxes, no tech at all other than ebay
see if i can win lategame with cannons
missile turret rush a Z and kill all his ovies using turrets
sunken/spore/lurk "rush" a Z
14CC, lift it on an island map, land in their base, and "SCV rush"
rush with 4 starting workers and then outmacro him with the 5th still mining
djdolber
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden85 Posts
August 07 2008 07:47 GMT
#31
No other units than ghosts + nukes that should be a challenge ?
SCV good to go sir!
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
August 07 2008 07:58 GMT
#32
Mass casters is always fun to try, or you could try winning with something like "no fighting units all sunk/spore/drone/ovie" or going only cannons and corsairs for dweb.

Independence Day-style wall of floating Ebays covering his base -> wall the entire map with depots -> play normally.

Oh, be sure to tell us how this goes, whatever you end up doing, and provide replays ^_^
Trust in Bayes.
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
August 07 2008 08:32 GMT
#33
Use StarEdit or something

Play a race different than his, make all your stuff cost 5x as much and take 2x as long to build, or whatever scalars you believe are best.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
August 07 2008 09:20 GMT
#34
On August 07 2008 17:32 Ancestral wrote:
Use StarEdit or something

Play a race different than his, make all your stuff cost 5x as much and take 2x as long to build, or whatever scalars you believe are best.


Lol thats an awesome handicap. And I think its what he wants. He can play normally, but he'll be playing a lot slower giving his friend the handicap he needs.
kukuku
Profile Joined May 2006
Malaysia64 Posts
August 07 2008 09:35 GMT
#35
if you're using laptop maybe you can trying using the mouse touchpad
Common sense is not common
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-07 13:33:15
August 07 2008 13:32 GMT
#36
Just don't start mining/playing for the first 2-5 minutes. It works wonders and will be quite challenging for you (unless they are so super bad and stupid that they literally spend 30 minutes figuring out what a pylon is for and how they can get units).
KH1031
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States862 Posts
August 07 2008 15:49 GMT
#37
do an ums where your units have half the stats.
XDawn
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Canada4040 Posts
August 07 2008 18:56 GMT
#38
On August 07 2008 11:36 Nitrogen23 wrote:
flip your mouse over so you have to use your finger on the censor to move it and push it down to click.


puahahahahah
this is gold
Use it or lose it
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32116 Posts
August 07 2008 19:05 GMT
#39
If you drink or blaze, those will help. Switch over to left hand, mouse only, use other hand for blunt.

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geometryb
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1249 Posts
August 07 2008 20:43 GMT
#40
teach him how to play instead of noob bashing him?
nortydog
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia3067 Posts
August 07 2008 21:11 GMT
#41
left hand mouse only with updside down monitor! try it
NoCleanFeed.com
CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
August 08 2008 00:35 GMT
#42
Eat some bad food before playing soy you will have explosive diarrea, wich will no doubt hurt your APM, macro and micro giving him a chance.
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Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
August 08 2008 04:11 GMT
#43
On August 08 2008 00:49 KH1031 wrote:
do an ums where your units have half the stats.

I thought about that too, but I think the problem is that his friend won't learn as much about counters and balance that way, since the normal interplay between units will not be present.

But then again, if his friend really is 30APM those kind of considerations may not even matter.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9106 Posts
August 08 2008 06:20 GMT
#44
On August 08 2008 09:35 CrimsonLotus wrote:
Eat some bad food before playing soy you will have explosive diarrea, wich will no doubt hurt your APM, macro and micro giving him a chance.


well I am kind of tired... but I lol'ed
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
August 08 2008 11:00 GMT
#45
On August 08 2008 05:43 geometryb wrote:
teach him how to play instead of noob bashing him?

yeah i tried for months
he started out better than me you know
but he stayed at that skill level
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
August 08 2008 20:59 GMT
#46
On August 08 2008 20:00 anotak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2008 05:43 geometryb wrote:
teach him how to play instead of noob bashing him?

yeah i tried for months
he started out better than me you know
but he stayed at that skill level

This is how all my friends are. I used to be worse than everyone, but after watching a few VODs and reading a few threads on TL.net I rape them all easily and none of them want to get better.

I guess the reason I want them too is so I can have people to enjoy the pro-scene with IRL. So now, I'm trying to forge my brother into that person. He registered on TL.net, so that's a good start!
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
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