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No one invents their own builds, why??

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UmmTheHobo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States650 Posts
June 07 2008 00:21 GMT
#1
It seems like everyone just copies progamers builds and don't invent their own. Why is this so? I think the best part of starcraft is trying new strategies out.

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BaDayOri
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)469 Posts
June 07 2008 00:22 GMT
#2
because the best have already been invented
and no homo but you better show your boy respect, before the heck blow your head off like oral sex -CASSIDY
UmmTheHobo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States650 Posts
June 07 2008 00:23 GMT
#3
On June 07 2008 09:22 BaDayOri wrote:
because the best have already been invented


I disagree. Most strategies are good if you execute them well.
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Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
June 07 2008 00:24 GMT
#4
Like what
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
June 07 2008 00:25 GMT
#5
The best strategies are the best builds executed well.

Simple as that.
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
June 07 2008 00:26 GMT
#6
Because progamer builds are better.

At the lower levels, trying new strategies out is fun and all, but as play gets better you can really start to separate builds into optimal builds and non-optimal builds. Koreans who play Starcraft for a living have gotten most basic builds sorted out, and if you're playing to win it simply doesn't make sense to make up a build which probably is worse than what already exists and does more or less what you want to do. This doesn't mean you can't deviate and do silly things like build a dozen shield batteries or open fast queens, it just means you probably don't want to do them if you're playing to win.
But why?
UmmTheHobo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States650 Posts
June 07 2008 00:27 GMT
#7
On June 07 2008 09:25 Seraphim wrote:
The best strategies are the best builds executed well.

Simple as that.


It is no fun doing the same build over and over again.
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EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
June 07 2008 00:28 GMT
#8
Then do a different build.
But why?
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
June 07 2008 00:28 GMT
#9
Yeah go ahead - no one's stopping you
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
UmmTheHobo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States650 Posts
June 07 2008 00:31 GMT
#10
On June 07 2008 09:28 Seraphim wrote:
Yeah go ahead - no one's stopping you


I do play with different builds. It just confuzzles me that no one else does.
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EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
June 07 2008 00:31 GMT
#11
They focus more on winning than you do, is all.
But why?
UmmTheHobo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States650 Posts
June 07 2008 00:32 GMT
#12
On June 07 2008 09:31 EmeraldSparks wrote:
They focus more on winning than you do, is all.


Yeah, I think winning and losing are just as fun lol, it is hard for me to relate to those people.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 07 2008 00:34 GMT
#13
you should have seen coralreefer vs intrigue lol
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
June 07 2008 00:35 GMT
#14
why would someone want to play to lose? what's the point in even playing in the first place?
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
June 07 2008 00:36 GMT
#15
Because it's fun. It's like playing random or offracing.
But why?
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
June 07 2008 00:45 GMT
#16
It's fun to lose?
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
DhakhaR
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United Kingdom721 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-07 00:58:36
June 07 2008 00:56 GMT
#17
i agree.

check out my new 1 base BC's rep:
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no
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
June 07 2008 00:58 GMT
#18
On June 07 2008 09:56 DhakhaR wrote:
some people like watching thier own units die i guess

duno why but lolllllled soooo hard at this
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
DhakhaR
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United Kingdom721 Posts
June 07 2008 00:59 GMT
#19
On June 07 2008 09:58 pyrogenetix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2008 09:56 DhakhaR wrote:
some people like watching thier own units die i guess

duno why but lolllllled soooo hard at this

ninja edit :s
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
June 07 2008 01:01 GMT
#20
you can go ahead and make your own build, but most of the time its nowhere as effective as the ones we have, which means youre gonna lose more and/or easily. playing to lose is depressing
Moonlight Shadow
demonic_phate
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States442 Posts
June 07 2008 01:07 GMT
#21
I remember I once had a DT rush build worked out in which I denied scouting and then got robo, cit, archive, 4 DT drop and pwnnnnn
BusyP
nortydog
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia3067 Posts
June 07 2008 01:10 GMT
#22
Because people are sheep and like to simplify starcraft to just numbers, it's the only way thier small minds can comprehend starcraft. Throw those builds out the window!
NoCleanFeed.com
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5532 Posts
June 07 2008 01:11 GMT
#23
Its:
Hard
Time consuming
Might not even work
Might be worse than a build thats already out there ie waste of time
Time consuming
Hard
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
UmmTheHobo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States650 Posts
June 07 2008 01:16 GMT
#24
I do not TRY to lose. I try my best to win. Although if I lose I don't care. I should not have said just as fun, just not that much of a difference.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
June 07 2008 01:29 GMT
#25
On June 07 2008 09:56 DhakhaR wrote:
i agree.

check out my new 1 base BC's rep:
+ Show Spoiler +
no


I'm disappointed. I wanted a 1 Base BC rep T.T
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 07 2008 01:35 GMT
#26
Because the majority of the population isn't very artistic You'll find dark horses who do their own thing and compete with the best once in while, but it's like asking "why isn't everyone a genius?" Cause they aren't.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
nortydog
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia3067 Posts
June 07 2008 01:35 GMT
#27
On June 07 2008 10:11 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Its:
Hard
Time consuming
Might not even work
Might be worse than a build thats already out there ie waste of time
Time consuming
Hard

Common builds are:
Boring
Predictable
Have known weaknesses
A poor attempt at a manual for sc
NoCleanFeed.com
nortydog
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia3067 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-07 01:44:29
June 07 2008 01:37 GMT
#28
and besides if both players are using said 'best builds' aren't we back to square one? it then just becomes a battle of execution and we know how fun that is to watch or play

edit: just to clarify I'm not talking about 9 pools or 9/10 gates here, more those fully fleshed out builds over a longer timeframe
NoCleanFeed.com
EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-07 01:39:45
June 07 2008 01:39 GMT
#29
They're still more likely to win. Playing silly builds for fun is a good thing in my book, and I do it in fun games, but I don't do it when I'm trying to win, laddering (okay, I'm either D or D- so I really don't have anything to lose), or playing "seriously."

By the way, nortydog, you were the guy who "invented" ebay in natural followed by gas steal, right?
But why?
nortydog
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia3067 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-07 02:10:36
June 07 2008 01:41 GMT
#30
On June 07 2008 10:39 EmeraldSparks wrote:
They're still more likely to win.

When you consider all the possible alternative choices before you, even in a short 10 minute game wouldn't you agree that if you didn't deviate from your pre-conceived plan then you would most likely be playing sub-optimally? therefore builds are at best a crutch we lean on because we don't know what we should be doing

On June 07 2008 10:39 EmeraldSparks wrote:
By the way, nortydog, you were the guy who "invented" ebay in natural followed by gas steal, right?

I have no clue what you are talking about there lol
NoCleanFeed.com
ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
June 07 2008 02:00 GMT
#31
I made a build. Its called 4pool
@ostojiy
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
June 07 2008 14:34 GMT
#32
On June 07 2008 11:00 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I made a build. Its called 4pool

Is that the modified version of a 5 pool?
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4641 Posts
June 07 2008 16:53 GMT
#33
On June 07 2008 23:34 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2008 11:00 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I made a build. Its called 4pool

Is that the modified version of a 5 pool?

It's just 9poolgas without the drones and gas.
This neo violence, pure self defiance
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
June 07 2008 21:19 GMT
#34
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ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
June 07 2008 21:45 GMT
#35
my build is 3pool

its unstoppable
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