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teamsolid
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SolaR-
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We pwn, Japan korea stfu k thx, let the big boys talk. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On May 02 2008 09:24 CultureMisfits wrote: Korea<Japan<United States We pwn, Japan korea stfu k thx, let the big boys talk. blasphemy | ||
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Reflex
Canada703 Posts
On May 02 2008 09:24 CultureMisfits wrote: Korea<Japan<United States We pwn, Japan korea stfu k thx, let the big boys talk. Pandora's box has been opened. PREPARE YOURSELVES!! | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On May 02 2008 07:30 ilovezil wrote: Thank god this japan/korea hate mostly lies within the older generation. We newer generation of koreans love anime/manga and find the enigmatic japanese culture quite fascinating ^_^ I love japanese porn... | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On May 02 2008 08:41 Jibba wrote: This whole paragraph makes very little sense. Most of the propaganda is actually on the Japanese side, where they've only recently apologized for it and most school children will never learn what happened. The Korean propaganda is on the opposite side of the spectrum but IMO "JAPAN = DEVIL" is more accurate than "Nippon did nothing at all!" How old are your grandparents? EDIT: And are they important to you? It was a pretty rough (in terms of editing) and quickly written rant. Well, to expand on my point: I went through all those things to describe what Dawkins calls the "moral zeitgeist". A certain action seems weird/disgusting to us now but at that time in that society, it was acceptable. Nations around the globe criticized Japan for their actions but at that time of war where the opinions of the opposing side mattered very little, I don't think Japan cared much about what the UN said. If Japan told england that chest hair is inhuman and disgusting, something makes me doubt that the British soldiers would've shaved their chest. Japan's approach towards WW2 was "do whatever it takes to win". If it meant sending young korean women to be raped in order to increase the morale of the japanese soldiers, they did it. If it meant flying their own fighter planes into ships, they did it. What I'm saying is: the things Japan did were terrible but so is eating human beings. Yeah, people used to eat other people. To hold a grudge against Japan (as a country) and be biased towards Japanese people because of the past is irrational. Also, it's pretty rude of you to ask if my grandparents are important to me. Of course I love my grandparents. But the sufferings are in the past. They're living happily in Korea and as far as I remember, they don't go off on angry rants when I mention Japan (and I'm sure I have on a number of occasions, sometimes bringing up the war itself). Living your life; hating Japan for what they did in WW2 seems a bit pathetic imo. The original thread was fine and had some interesting/funny discussions going on until Baezzi starting spewing his nationalistic mumbo jumbo like a broken record and completely sabotaged the thread. His behaviour and responses in that thread were completely unacceptable. L2W is a moderator of TL and deserves to be treated with respect. | ||
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kyjori
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On May 02 2008 07:21 Chill wrote: skk7000 (5:22:54 PM): im even fuking angry skk7000 (5:22:55 PM): no skk7000 (5:22:57 PM): listen skk7000 (5:23:00 PM): about RAPE? skk7000 (5:23:02 PM): korea being skk7000 (5:23:03 PM): nubmer one skk7000 (5:23:04 PM): in RAPE? skk7000 (5:23:07 PM): what the fuk? skk7000 (5:23:11 PM): thedeadhaji is japanese Wow, are the majority of Koreans this racist? dude, chill, that isnt ffucking fair can you ask a jew to just forget bout what the germans did to em back in ww2? hell, they are still sensitive as hell over that and when it comes to atrocities, the japanese did it to everyone in asia, not just the korean. go ask some chinese or philipino nationality person what they think of them -_-;; or better yet, something more close to home. the blacks who suffered all the way up until the 1970s (or even now is arguable) and tell em that theey are overreacting, their racist and their mistrust of the white man is unjustified.... are they fucking this ignorant also? the native americans would belong here too, but most of em were killed off thanks to your ancestors. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
And I don't think it's a moral zeitgeist. Their actions in China and Korea had very little pragmatic application (the invasion of China for resources did, but even that was a strategical mistake by the Japanese) and the raping/killing was not about winning, it was simply racism put into action by a superior military force. Cannibalism is a societal thing, but it still doesn't excuse the times New Guinean tribes have raped and pillaged other tribes and then eaten them. And it's not as if Japan was radically different from the West at that point (they had been open and developing for 200+ years by then) and certainly not from China and Korea, where a large portion of their customs/religion/philosophy came from. In fact, the Japanese fragmented provinces were much less warring than fragmented nation states in Europe. That is, until the bloodlust set in following WWI. | ||
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kyjori
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On May 02 2008 09:24 CultureMisfits wrote: Korea<Japan<United States We pwn, Japan korea stfu k thx, let the big boys talk. and this is why mother fuckers like you spawn ignorance more than baezzi ever will. | ||
Chill
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On May 02 2008 10:00 kyjori wrote: dude, chill, that isnt ffucking fair can you ask a jew to just forget bout what the germans did to em back in ww2? hell, they are still sensitive as hell over that and when it comes to atrocities, the japanese did it to everyone in asia, not just the korean. go ask some chinese or philipino nationality person what they think of them -_-;; or better yet, something more close to home. the blacks who suffered all the way up until the 1970s (or even now is arguable) and tell em that theey are overreacting, their racist and their mistrust of the white man is unjustified.... are they fucking this ignorant also? the native americans would belong here too, but most of em were killed off thanks to your ancestors. Carry racism and prejudice forward from past generations even though it didn't happen when you were alive. That makes a lot of sense doesn't it? The people who suffered through racism are not ignorant. The people who never experienced it but act prejudiced against people who didn't cause it are. | ||
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Jibba
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On May 02 2008 10:11 Chill wrote: Carry racism and prejudice forward from past generations even though it didn't happen when you were alive. That makes a lot of sense doesn't it? The people who suffered through racism are not ignorant. The people who never experienced it but act prejudiced against people who didn't cause it are. The thing is the racism goes completely both ways, even still. So now it's like "I get to be racist, because he's still racist against me." And then HE's like "I'll be racist, cause that fucker is still being racist to me." It's a giant bullshitfest, but Baezzi still acts like an internet god big baby. | ||
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Chill
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kyjori
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they are always claiming their racial superiority whether it be personal opinions, economics or government policies. so yeah......... sure yo ucan forget bout the shit u didnt live through but they keep acting like they are superior to you cuz of race, i dont see the problem of carrying it over. an eye for an eye eh? | ||
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Jibba
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On May 02 2008 10:19 Chill wrote: That's fine if you feel prejudice from another race and you base your actions on that. If you get beat by a race everywhere you go, of course you will feel prejudice against them. But I mean, although I can't tell anyone how to feel, I think feeling racism towards a person because of something that happened in a war you weren't alive for isn't right. I don't know about you but after the war on Char, I think all protoss are niggers. | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
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On May 02 2008 08:25 Jibba wrote: I stopped reading right there. I should've stopped reading when I saw your AIM name was LiNkInPaRrK2289. I'm sure you'll ban me after this post anyways, but you're retarded. I wasn't referring to the japanese side of WW2, i was referring to the fact that the treaty of versailles was a punishment that germans were ashamed of, equally the italians werent given any or much say in the treaty aswell, which left them very angry. It left much tension in all of europe for the germans hating the french and the british for putting such harsh restrictions on them becuase they wanted revenge for the war. Pride was a cause of the war, not THE cause. And no, i don't ban people for having different opinions. Just like the mods on this site wouldn't. The germans built up again and ignored the treaty. If the league of nations actually worked the way monroe wanted it to, then we most likely wouldn't of had a second world war. He wanted the war to end, we all share the responsibility and the costs. But france and britain wanted revenge for what they lost. And therefore ignored monroe's ideas, punished germany and its allies. Which left them not happy. Then they capitalized on the shitty economic situation in europe caused by the great depression by ignoring the treaty of versailles. I try to avoid talking out of my ass, please feel free to try and rebutt any of this, but whatever, judge me by my screen name becuase i like a band. What should i be? CrazyLing90210? What meets your standards for people you would talk to or associate with on a username for a messanger or on a website. I'm Japanese and I've lived there and some of the Korean angst is well deserved, because Japan is a pretty racist and xenophobic country. White gaijin don't get it nearly as bad as other kinds, so I was lucky in that respect and I'm sure Manifesto is as well. On top of that, their war crimes were far reaching (even relevant today) and atrocious and it took the government half a century to even admit to them. Even today there are issues, which is part of the reason South Koreans play computer games like SC instead of SSBB/Halo3. I think Baezzi was right in that you probably shouldn't trust a Japanese news source on the issue. I don't know how biased it was, but I do know most Japanese newspapers are incompetent. I probably wouldn't trust a Korean or Chinese newspaper on this specific issue either, although I would trust some of the private Korean media to simply be better reporters. http://www.debito.org/rapporteur.html That's the report a UN inspector did on racism in Japan in 2006. Either way, BaeZZi should attack the credibility of the sources and post alternative reliable ones, not just attack the post get all defensive and become a baby. He didn't do that, he proceeded to have a tantrum. Any other person if they have different views would post things to support their individual views, a counter arguement more or less. BaeZZi had a tantrum and is now holding the TLPD Vod section hostage because of it. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Hearing it was "pride" is like hearing WWI was caused by Archduke Ferdinand's assassination. That's the type of convoluted bullshit they taught in my highschool history classes. | ||
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kyjori
371 Posts
On May 02 2008 10:32 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: I wasn't referring to the japanese side of WW2, i was referring to the fact that the treaty of versailles was a punishment that germans were ashamed of, equally the italians werent given any or much say in the treaty aswell, which left them very angry. It left much tension in all of europe for the germans hating the french and the british for putting such harsh restrictions on them becuase they wanted revenge for the war. Pride was a cause of the war, not THE cause. And no, i don't ban people for having different opinions. Just like the mods on this site wouldn't. The germans built up again and ignored the treaty. If the league of nations actually worked the way monroe wanted it to, then we most likely wouldn't of had a second world war. He wanted the war to end, we all share the responsibility and the costs. But france and britain wanted revenge for what they lost. And therefore ignored monroe's ideas, punished germany and its allies. Which left them not happy. Then they capitalized on the shitty economic situation in europe caused by the great depression by ignoring the treaty of versailles. I try to avoid talking out of my ass, please feel free to try and rebutt any of this, but whatever, judge me by my screen name becuase i like a band. What should i be? CrazyLing90210? What meets your standards for people you would talk to or associate with on a username for a messanger or on a website. Either way, BaeZZi should attack the credibility of the sources and post alternative reliable ones, not just attack the post get all defensive and become a baby. He didn't do that, he proceeded to have a tantrum. Any other person if they have different views would post things to support their individual views, a counter arguement more or less. BaeZZi had a tantrum and is now holding the TLPD Vod section hostage because of it. if you believe pride was the cause to WW2, you are sadly fucking mistaken. brush up on your history. after the end of WW2, Germany had nothing going for them. they had no pride. the ywere taking hand me downs from other countries (loans with no chance of being repaid) and eventually their currencly CRASHED. only through these dire circumstances was someone like hitler allowed to gain power..... only through dire circumstances are meglomaniacs/dictatorships allowed to rise with the support of the people (and lets not forget, hitler before commencing his war conquests, he actually created a better standard of living for the germans). when you talk about pride hurt, i beleive it effects the japaense ALOT more than the germans of WW2. after the summary of WW1, japanese felt neglected and pissed off for their efforts in the war. they were only awarded small amounts of german territories here and there. soon after, they began a conquest of south east asia starting with korea, and the world just let it slide with NO resistance whatsoever., this soon moved onto manchuria, etc etc etc. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On May 02 2008 10:36 Jibba wrote: They were left economically devastated after WWI. That played a much bigger role than pride. The nationalism/racism was fostered on that economic deprivation. Well, that, and to a large majority of Germans it really didn't seem possible that they could have lost the war. Most of the rest of Europe was devastated by WWI, but Germany was largely intact. A large number of Germans began to believe that they had not lost, but rather that someone had sold them out from within. | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
Due to the treaty they were forced to pay for the costs of the war on both sides. Which was hardly fair since it wasn't all anyones fault, let alone all germany's fault, no one would be happy after being forced to choke down all the pride you ever had in your country and accept the terms of that treaty. Now this is the point i'm stressing, I am not trying to say the war was caused completely by pride, not even close. It played a god damn role though, and only a fool would disagree to that. I don't anywhere state it was a main cause at all, there was many many contributing factors which if you would like i could go into detail about. Then you can judge my knowledge or lack there of on history through that. But the fact that pride contributed to the war to some extent, the pride and hatred that arose from the treaty and the outcome of WWI cannot be denied. Also you still didn't respond, what's the issue with my screen name? I have heard people take this shot a few times, what the hells wrong with linkin park? It's as good a band as any. Whats your screen name thats so good and great that puts mine to shame? | ||
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kyjori
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On May 02 2008 10:44 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote: Clearly the economic situation played a role, but it was becuase of the treaty to punish them becuase of france and britains pride and desire to punish the germans for the war. Due to the treaty they were forced to pay for the costs of the war on both sides. Which was hardly fair since it wasn't all anyones fault, let alone all germany's fault, no one would be happy after being forced to choke down all the pride you ever had in your country and accept the terms of that treaty. Now this is the point i'm stressing, I am not trying to say the war was caused completely by pride, not even close. It played a god damn role though, and only a fool would disagree to that. I don't anywhere state it was a main cause at all, there was many many contributing factors which if you would like i could go into detail about. Then you can judge my knowledge or lack there of on history through that. But the fact that pride contributed to the war to some extent, the pride and hatred that arose from the treaty and the outcome of WWI cannot be denied. Also you still didn't respond, what's the issue with my screen name? I have heard people take this shot a few times, what the hells wrong with linkin park? It's as good a band as any. Whats your screen name thats so good and great that puts mine to shame? pride of france and britain you say? wouldnt you be pissed off that you entered a horrendouly expensive war that cost in both monetary and lives? if someone murdered your wife/brother/sister/mother/father wouldnt you want to sue the mother fucker to no end? wouldnt you want them to suffer? it isnt about pride, it is about mother fucking justice do you let a country get away with an act of aggression with no punishment? HELL NO | ||
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