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MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 01 2008 21:47 GMT

This is a conversation with a friend of mine about the baezzi crap, he is on par with baezzi in regards to is narrowminded nature.

I explain around 5 times the purpose in the general forum. and why the thread was made. And he admits if it was made by someone who wasnt japanese it would of been fine.

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LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:06:58 PM): lol kids asian
skk7000 (5:07:04 PM): ?
skk7000 (5:07:06 PM): what?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:07:09 PM): 2on2?
skk7000 (5:07:18 PM): i have to pikc up my bro from school soon
skk7000 (5:07:31 PM): i have to wake up by eight fiteen tomorrows for practice ap calculus exam lmao
skk7000 (5:07:33 PM): i gotta study today
skk7000 (5:07:34 PM): :x
skk7000 (5:07:43 PM): so gay
skk7000 (5:07:56 PM): did u read the baizi thread
skk7000 (5:07:59 PM): baezii
skk7000 (5:08:03 PM): the vod uploaded
skk7000 (5:08:06 PM): uploader*
skk7000 (5:08:15 PM): and why did u request rto be banned from tl rofl
skk7000 (5:08:17 PM): u idiiot
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:08:17 PM): i know who he is
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:08:22 PM): and i know what he said
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:08:25 PM): he also disabled embedding
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:08:27 PM): on all his vods
skk7000 (5:08:29 PM): yea
skk7000 (5:08:34 PM): why did u request to be banned
skk7000 (5:08:37 PM): from teamliquid
skk7000 (5:08:37 PM): rofl
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:12:04 PM): i had a paper to do
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:12:08 PM): and baezzi is a little fucking tool
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:12:12 PM): he never got threatened to be baned
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:12:15 PM): he misunderstood something
skk7000 (5:12:20 PM): im acutally
skk7000 (5:12:26 PM): looking for tahat thread
skk7000 (5:12:27 PM): right now
skk7000 (5:12:28 PM): that*
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:12:30 PM): its closed
skk7000 (5:12:35 PM): but we koreans do tend to have some hatred
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:12:35 PM): its called rape or soemthing
skk7000 (5:12:37 PM): towards japan
skk7000 (5:12:40 PM): we're proud ppl
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:12:49 PM): pride is the sin of the foolish
skk7000 (5:12:55 PM): so
skk7000 (5:12:57 PM): ur saying
skk7000 (5:12:59 PM): we're foolish
skk7000 (5:13:01 PM): becuz of all the sins
skk7000 (5:13:04 PM): japans commited
skk7000 (5:13:06 PM): in past wars
skk7000 (5:13:09 PM): ur saying we're follish
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:13:09 PM): no you idiot
skk7000 (5:13:11 PM): then
skk7000 (5:13:14 PM): what the fuk are u saying
skk7000 (5:13:22 PM): "pride is the sin of the foolish"
skk7000 (5:13:25 PM): what the fu k
skk7000 (5:13:26 PM): does that mean
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:13:30 PM): it means your idios
skk7000 (5:13:34 PM): exactly
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:13:36 PM): pride is retarded all it does is lead to more problems
skk7000 (5:13:44 PM): its our culture man
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:13:46 PM): WW2 was caused by pride
skk7000 (5:13:48 PM): u might seem its stupid
skk7000 (5:13:48 PM): but
skk7000 (5:13:57 PM): we might think some of the things
skk7000 (5:14:00 PM): americans do is stupid
skk7000 (5:14:08 PM): u cant jsut say "oh thats stupid"
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:16:58 PM): i didnt say you are stupid
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:17:01 PM): i said pride is stupid
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:17:07 PM): and many people from many cultures suffer from it
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:17:12 PM): not just kora
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:17:14 PM): korea
skk7000 (5:17:15 PM): it means your idios
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:17:21 PM): but baezzi is fucking retarded
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:17:29 PM): hes taking things out of context on purpose
skk7000 (5:17:33 PM): "it means YOUR idiots*"
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:17:33 PM): and hes fuckign with the wrong people
skk7000 (5:17:43 PM): LiNkInPaRrK2289 (4:13:22 PM): it means your idios
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:18:08 PM): your refers to the nationalistic fools
skk7000 (5:18:12 PM): oh
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:18:15 PM): not necessarily korea
skk7000 (5:18:21 PM): but it does refer to korea
skk7000 (5:18:23 PM): i just told u
skk7000 (5:18:24 PM): we are proud
skk7000 (5:18:25 PM): ppl
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:21:53 PM): i ment that it didnt refer just t o you
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:21:59 PM): and baezzis pride is so fucking retarded
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:22:01 PM): hes being a cunt
skk7000 (5:22:06 PM): ur jsut saying taht
skk7000 (5:22:06 PM): becuz
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:22:08 PM): it was explained to him like 8900 times
skk7000 (5:22:09 PM): hes stopped
skk7000 (5:22:11 PM): uploading
skk7000 (5:22:12 PM): and blocked
skk7000 (5:22:14 PM): all his vods
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:22:22 PM): ive read all of the drama
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:22:28 PM): so this opinion is what you would call edgumacated
skk7000 (5:22:31 PM): why did thedeadhaji even make this post?
skk7000 (5:22:32 PM): seoriulsy?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:22:37 PM): About rape?
skk7000 (5:22:43 PM): saying korea is the number one
skk7000 (5:22:43 PM): leading
skk7000 (5:22:44 PM): rape
skk7000 (5:22:44 PM): yes
skk7000 (5:22:46 PM): why the fuk
skk7000 (5:22:51 PM): did he psot that shiit
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:22:51 PM): Becasue its the general forum, and we talk about interestin stories like that
skk7000 (5:22:54 PM): im even fuking angry
skk7000 (5:22:55 PM): no
skk7000 (5:22:57 PM): listen
skk7000 (5:23:00 PM): about RAPE?
skk7000 (5:23:02 PM): korea being
skk7000 (5:23:03 PM): nubmer one
skk7000 (5:23:04 PM): in RAPE?
skk7000 (5:23:07 PM): what the fuk?
skk7000 (5:23:11 PM): thedeadhaji is japanese
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:23:13 PM): for the 2nd time
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:23:14 PM): its the general forum
skk7000 (5:23:18 PM): i understand if a korean person posted that
skk7000 (5:23:19 PM): no fuk u
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:23:20 PM): we talk about interesting things like that
skk7000 (5:23:21 PM): ur not korean
skk7000 (5:23:22 PM): u will never
skk7000 (5:23:25 PM): understasnd
skk7000 (5:23:26 PM): how serious this is
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:23:29 PM): ........
skk7000 (5:23:30 PM): the tension between korea/japan
skk7000 (5:23:31 PM): is something
skk7000 (5:23:34 PM): ull never undersatnd
skk7000 (5:23:36 PM): unless ur a korean
skk7000 (5:23:46 PM): i just dont feel he had to post that
skk7000 (5:23:49 PM): honestly
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:23:54 PM): ...
skk7000 (5:23:55 PM): thats just my opinion
skk7000 (5:23:57 PM): ok?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:23:59 PM): so if something can offend someone
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:24:01 PM): we shouldnt post it?
skk7000 (5:24:03 PM): yes
skk7000 (5:24:05 PM): espcially
skk7000 (5:24:08 PM): something liek this
skk7000 (5:24:09 PM): saying that
skk7000 (5:24:11 PM): korae is number one
skk7000 (5:24:13 PM): in fuking rape
skk7000 (5:24:14 PM): yes
skk7000 (5:24:17 PM): in my opinion
skk7000 (5:24:19 PM): it should not
skk7000 (5:24:20 PM): have been posted
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:24:41 PM): http://teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=rape&t=ct&f=all&u=&gb=date
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:24:48 PM): HOLY FUCK
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:24:57 PM): 125 PAGES OF TOPICS WITH THE WORD RAPE IN THEM!?!?
skk7000 (5:25:20 PM): wow
skk7000 (5:25:22 PM): ur a fuking idiot
skk7000 (5:25:27 PM): i can put in a word too
skk7000 (5:25:30 PM): ur amazing
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:25:33 PM): my point here is
skk7000 (5:25:35 PM): not one of those topics
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:25:41 PM): the general forum talks about rape in society all the time
skk7000 (5:25:45 PM): dals with singling out ONE country
skk7000 (5:25:46 PM): deals*
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:25:47 PM): the other day there was a topic where an austrailian man
skk7000 (5:25:52 PM): about osmething this offensive
skk7000 (5:25:53 PM): as rape
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:25:54 PM): raped his daguther
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:25:56 PM): for 25 years
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:26:00 PM): and fathered 7 kids with her
skk7000 (5:26:03 PM): yes we know
skk7000 (5:26:05 PM): and everyone
skk7000 (5:26:07 PM): was compassionate
skk7000 (5:26:09 PM): for the girls
skk7000 (5:26:17 PM): what the fuk does that have to do with what im talking about though
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:26:21 PM): dude
skk7000 (5:26:22 PM): ur comnpletely missing my point here
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:26:26 PM): your talking about fucking jhaji
skk7000 (5:26:27 PM): thedeadhaji
skk7000 (5:26:28 PM): posted
skk7000 (5:26:29 PM): yes i know
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:26:30 PM): if it was ANYONE fucking else
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:26:33 PM): i might beleive you
skk7000 (5:26:33 PM): he singled out
skk7000 (5:26:34 PM): korea
skk7000 (5:26:36 PM): basically
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:26:38 PM): no he fucking didnt
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:26:40 PM): the graph has
skk7000 (5:26:40 PM): saying that it was number one in rape
skk7000 (5:26:43 PM): WHY would he do that?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:26:44 PM): japan korea AND USA
skk7000 (5:26:50 PM): and korea was number one
skk7000 (5:26:52 PM): ur a fuking idiot
skk7000 (5:26:56 PM): do u still not see
skk7000 (5:27:00 PM): what im trying to say?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:28:03 PM): that he posted it becuase he hates kora?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:28:04 PM): korea?
skk7000 (5:28:20 PM): why the fuk did he even post it in the first place
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:28:33 PM): So your syaing he posted it becuase he hates koreans?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:28:39 PM): yes or no
skk7000 (5:28:44 PM): im not sure
skk7000 (5:28:47 PM): its middle for me
skk7000 (5:28:48 PM): like
skk7000 (5:28:52 PM): at first when i read it
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:28:52 PM): okay well consider this
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:28:58 PM): look how many fucking posts he has
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:29:02 PM): on a starcraft site
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:29:03 PM): DEDICATED
skk7000 (5:29:04 PM): it seemed like he was just trying to be informative like this and this is going on in korea
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:29:06 PM): to korean coverage
skk7000 (5:29:07 PM): and then
skk7000 (5:29:13 PM): i dont know
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:29:16 PM): THEN
skk7000 (5:29:16 PM): i thought about it
skk7000 (5:29:17 PM): and
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:29:18 PM): keep in mind
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:29:30 PM): that he actually pots that he thinks the numbers are higher in japan
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:29:33 PM): becuase the cultures are similiar
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:29:38 PM): and that japan just doesnt report it
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:29:44 PM): More so taking a shot at japan
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:29:47 PM): and defending korea
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:29:48 PM): so how about
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:29:50 PM): you fucking learn to read
skk7000 (5:29:54 PM): but still
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:30:05 PM): I'm tired of reading fucking uneducated retarded nationalisitic opinions
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:30:07 PM): about somethign retarded
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:30:10 PM): its the fucking internet
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:30:13 PM): its free fucking speach sir
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:30:22 PM): TL has a strict anti racism policy
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:30:29 PM): and haji was an admin who enforced that
skk7000 (5:30:37 PM): sure it wasnt out there saying " i fuking hate koreans look at what they're doing"
skk7000 (5:30:42 PM): its not as straight forwward as that
skk7000 (5:30:45 PM): but the fact that
skk7000 (5:31:02 PM): korea was number one in that chart
skk7000 (5:31:05 PM): he knew what he was posting
skk7000 (5:31:08 PM): that on that chart
skk7000 (5:31:10 PM): korea is number one
skk7000 (5:31:12 PM): in rape
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:31:13 PM): Oh cool, you mean becayuse he posts a story about rape (not uncommon for the general forum) and then includes extra information about rape rates in that country and compaired to others
skk7000 (5:31:16 PM): as a japanese person
skk7000 (5:31:18 PM): posting that
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:31:19 PM): becuase of the seriousness of the story
skk7000 (5:31:20 PM): i am not too sure
skk7000 (5:31:25 PM): if that was right to do
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:31:31 PM): So what your saying is
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:31:37 PM): Dont post the truth?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:31:56 PM): no one would be bitching if it was the other way around
skk7000 (5:31:56 PM): u can but what was his motive
skk7000 (5:31:58 PM): behind that thread
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:32:02 PM): .....
skk7000 (5:32:03 PM): u lucky i cant type fast
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:32:07 PM): LIKE ANYTHING IN THE FUCKING GENERAL FORUM
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:32:15 PM): to create conversation
skk7000 (5:32:16 PM): u dont know that for sure
skk7000 (5:32:18 PM): u cant read his mind
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:32:19 PM): about an interesting topic and statistic
skk7000 (5:32:20 PM): how do u know that
skk7000 (5:32:26 PM): he might have SOME bias
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:32:27 PM): because theres tons of threads similar to that
skk7000 (5:32:29 PM): or he might be clean too
skk7000 (5:32:30 PM): u never know
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:32:33 PM): every is fucking bias
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:32:35 PM): like right now
skk7000 (5:32:39 PM): exactly
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:32:39 PM): im starting to hate fucking koreans
skk7000 (5:32:45 PM): lol
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:32:48 PM): becuase of how constantly i argue with you
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:32:50 PM): about retarded things
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:32:55 PM): and your inability to listen to fucking reason
skk7000 (5:32:57 PM): how is this retraded?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:33:01 PM): or creative a competent counter arguement
skk7000 (5:33:04 PM): its ok to argue about controversal topics
skk7000 (5:33:09 PM): no ur an idiot
skk7000 (5:33:11 PM): any korean here
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:33:13 PM): We arent even argueing about the topic right now
skk7000 (5:33:15 PM): would agree with me
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:33:22 PM): Because your nationalistic fools.
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:33:23 PM): Right now
skk7000 (5:33:24 PM): u just think ur right all the time
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:33:26 PM): Haji japanese
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:33:29 PM): baezzi and you korean
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:33:31 PM): me neither
skk7000 (5:33:35 PM): so u think it gives u a right to hate koreans
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:33:36 PM): from here i am an unbiased perspective
skk7000 (5:33:40 PM): becuz im aruging with u
skk7000 (5:33:43 PM): about what i feel is right
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:33:55 PM): no thats not it
skk7000 (5:33:57 PM): im not saying he posted it
skk7000 (5:34:00 PM): becuz he hates koreans
skk7000 (5:34:02 PM): all i said was
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:34:06 PM): your blind nationalism and pride and that most koreans are like you
skk7000 (5:34:07 PM): i dont think he should have posted it
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:34:09 PM): is what would make me not like them
skk7000 (5:34:10 PM): in my opiinion
skk7000 (5:34:16 PM): just my opinion
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:34:21 PM): Why not though?
skk7000 (5:34:26 PM): i just told u why
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:34:26 PM): why shouldnt he have?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:34:32 PM): Explain in one paragraph
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:34:36 PM): and i will explain why he should of in one
skk7000 (5:34:37 PM): its a japanese person saying that korea is number one in rape
skk7000 (5:34:41 PM): i mean what the fuk?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:34:54 PM): Okay, now mine.
skk7000 (5:35:40 PM): listen
skk7000 (5:35:57 PM): the deadhaji was trying to be informative, i agree with that but i can also sympathize with what baeizii is feelign was well
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:36:08 PM): Regardless of whether hes japanese or whatever nationality, the topic is ment to be talked about as any other topic. It's ment to be interesting and informative, if i came accross that data and story i probably would of posted it too. Furthermore if you actually read the article, its not saying anything bad about korea thats in his opinion, the only negative thing is that he says korea has a high rape rate when compaired to other countries
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:36:22 PM): You mean not wanting the truth to be posted becuase it hurts the pride of korean individuals?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:36:56 PM): Not wanting it posted considering hopw unbiased it is, is essentially saying that it hurts your pride
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:37:01 PM): becuase it makes japan look a little better then you
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:37:03 PM): in one aspect of osmetihng
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:37:07 PM): when on the counter side
skk7000 (5:37:16 PM): its not a competition to see which country is better
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:37:17 PM): if you posted something that proved you were better then japan you wouldnt even give it a second thoguht
skk7000 (5:37:23 PM): its a long term history of battles we've had with japan
skk7000 (5:37:25 PM): simply
skk7000 (5:37:28 PM): korea and japan
skk7000 (5:37:28 PM): HATE
skk7000 (5:37:31 PM): each other
skk7000 (5:37:36 PM): u wouldnt know
skk7000 (5:37:37 PM): unless
skk7000 (5:37:39 PM): u know the history
skk7000 (5:37:40 PM): bewteen
skk7000 (5:37:45 PM): korea and japan
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:37:58 PM): I beleive we should put things behind us.
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:38:00 PM): And thats what i do.
skk7000 (5:38:04 PM): thing is
skk7000 (5:38:06 PM): thats the problem
skk7000 (5:38:08 PM): i agree with u there joe
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:38:11 PM): The fact you kind, and your blidn nationalism is making you say stupid shit
skk7000 (5:38:13 PM): but do u agree with me on this
skk7000 (5:38:14 PM): listen
skk7000 (5:38:15 PM): yes i agree
skk7000 (5:38:18 PM): we shoujdl forgive
skk7000 (5:38:19 PM): and move on
skk7000 (5:38:20 PM): but
skk7000 (5:38:23 PM): shouldnt
skk7000 (5:38:34 PM): japan at least ACKNOWLEDGE that what they've done was wrong
skk7000 (5:38:39 PM): and kind of a formal apology
skk7000 (5:38:43 PM): there was acutally a thread about that
skk7000 (5:38:47 PM): that a japanese minister rejected
skk7000 (5:38:54 PM): acknoledgment
skk7000 (5:38:58 PM): ackknowledgment*
skk7000 (5:39:04 PM): maybe if there was something liek that
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:39:07 PM): asking for an apology is not forgetting.
skk7000 (5:39:08 PM): even ppl in that th read
skk7000 (5:39:10 PM): agreed
skk7000 (5:39:21 PM): sigh..i wish i can link u to that thread
skk7000 (5:39:23 PM): but i cant find it
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:39:23 PM): thats forgiving and forgetting i guess which i would do
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:39:30 PM): it just hurts there pride
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:39:37 PM): and its just creating a vicious circle of pride
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:39:38 PM): thats not ending
skk7000 (5:39:48 PM): its only not ending becuz of japan's own pride
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:39:51 PM): The thread acheived its purpose
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:39:58 PM): it created talk and people shared there opinions on it
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:40:03 PM): but then nationalism came in and ruined it
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:40:06 PM): the thread was unbiased
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:40:14 PM): and your onyl problem is that a JAPANESE PERSON posted it
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:40:22 PM): When anyone else who found it would of also posted it.
skk7000 (5:40:37 PM): ur right
skk7000 (5:40:43 PM): its only becuz a japanese person posted
skk7000 (5:40:44 PM): is why
skk7000 (5:40:46 PM): me and baezii
skk7000 (5:40:50 PM): and im sure some other koreans
skk7000 (5:40:51 PM): had a problem
skk7000 (5:40:53 PM): with it
skk7000 (5:41:13 PM): if a koraen person posted it
skk7000 (5:41:24 PM): its obviously can be understood that its meant to be informative
skk7000 (5:41:31 PM): unless its a retard that hates his own country
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:42:08 PM): dude if you didnt know he was japanese would you have had a problem?
skk7000 (5:42:19 PM): prolly not
skk7000 (5:42:20 PM): im not sure
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:42:30 PM): Your a fucking asshole.
skk7000 (5:42:33 PM): why?
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:42:45 PM): So if a japanese person posts something that has to do with korea its an attack against your nation
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:42:52 PM): but if i were to post it it would just be informative
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:42:57 PM): even if its the EXACT same information
skk7000 (5:42:58 PM): exactly
skk7000 (5:43:13 PM): i woudl stil be like
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:43:15 PM): Your a fucking idiot for having that view, you double standard peice of shit, why i ever have conversations with you is beyond me.
skk7000 (5:43:18 PM): waht the fuk why is he posting this
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:43:19 PM): I fucking hate hypocrits
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:43:22 PM): you and baezzi are retarded
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:43:27 PM): i fucking explained it around 5 god damn times
skk7000 (5:43:39 PM): i understand its meant to be informative
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:43:45 PM): Becuase it creates conversation where peole can share their opinions and thought about something thats not starcraft
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:43:48 PM): HENCE the general forum
skk7000 (5:43:48 PM): u just wont undersatnd
skk7000 (5:43:51 PM): becuz ur not korean
skk7000 (5:44:06 PM): i dont hate japanese ppl
skk7000 (5:44:10 PM): lets get that straight
LiNkInPaRrK2289 (5:44:13 PM): If being korean ment i had to be a fucking blind patriotic asshole like you and baezzi, then i'm damn happy i'm not.
skk7000 (5:44:15 PM): we just hold a grudge against japan
skk7000 (5:44:21 PM): becuz of what i told u
skk7000 (5:44:30 PM): i dont look at a japanese person and be like
skk7000 (5:44:34 PM): oh i hate u becuz ur a japanese person
skk7000 (5:44:36 PM): no

I'm just done arugeing with him, this is pointless running in cirlces, if live2win can accept this, then why cant he? Maybe live2win is just a little more forgiving (and not as fcking retarded) hes a korean who moved here to the USA.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 01 2008 21:49 GMT

Pride is a damn fucking shame.

micronesia

United States24678 Posts

May 01 2008 21:50 GMT

You like posting conversations you have with people who act dumb. I don't enjoy reading those conversations usually except for the occasional gold (which is usually very short) so I wonder why other people do enjoy reading these...

HamerD

United Kingdom1922 Posts

May 01 2008 21:50 GMT

wtf i dont know which one you are but the linkin park guy is a fucking douche.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 01 2008 22:09 GMT

That would be me who is a douche, i'm linkinparrk2289. I just get fed up with him fast sometimes, and if your referring to the first thing i said, it's becuase i love to mess with him.

and micro, i doubt anyone really enjoys reading these, i mean i'm not particularly cunning or funny. But i just post them because ath the time it was annoying me.

JoxxOr

Sweden1502 Posts

May 01 2008 22:15 GMT

On May 02 2008 06:50 HamerD wrote:
wtf i dont know which one you are but the linkin park guy is a fucking douche.

No he's not? Linkingpark is the one who is smart guy in this topic, if some of his comments are harsh then it's only because the other guy repeats the same arguments 1k times which can make every person in the world angry.

But seriously, if this is the general opinion in Korea... geezh... I love starcraft and some of their music but damn... are they all fucking racist?...

Freedom of speech ftw.

Chill

Calgary25980 Posts

May 01 2008 22:21 GMT

skk7000 (5:22:54 PM): im even fuking angry
skk7000 (5:22:55 PM): no
skk7000 (5:22:57 PM): listen
skk7000 (5:23:00 PM): about RAPE?
skk7000 (5:23:02 PM): korea being
skk7000 (5:23:03 PM): nubmer one
skk7000 (5:23:04 PM): in RAPE?
skk7000 (5:23:07 PM): what the fuk?
skk7000 (5:23:11 PM): thedeadhaji is japanese

Wow, are the majority of Koreans this racist?

alffla

Hong Kong20321 Posts

May 01 2008 22:30 GMT

fucxk that was painful to read
it seems today there are a lot of painful things to read -_- first the PCGamer sc2 article, baezzi leaving, and now this lol

i didnt manage to read all of it but i got up to the but that chill just posted

ilovezil

United States4143 Posts

May 01 2008 22:30 GMT

Thank god this japan/korea hate mostly lies within the older generation. We newer generation of koreans love anime/manga and find the enigmatic japanese culture quite fascinating ^_^

Folca

2235 Posts

May 01 2008 22:33 GMT

#10

On May 02 2008 07:21 Chill wrote:
skk7000 (5:22:54 PM): im even fuking angry
skk7000 (5:22:55 PM): no
skk7000 (5:22:57 PM): listen
skk7000 (5:23:00 PM): about RAPE?
skk7000 (5:23:02 PM): korea being
skk7000 (5:23:03 PM): nubmer one
skk7000 (5:23:04 PM): in RAPE?
skk7000 (5:23:07 PM): what the fuk?
skk7000 (5:23:11 PM): thedeadhaji is japanese

Wow, are the majority of Koreans this racist?

Sorry, this is fucking ridiculous
Im korean, and i dont know what the fuck is he saying
thedeadhaji has all the right to put the truth on a fucking general forum
why would he lie about that shit
also
skk7000, why would you fucking think that he would have a motive to crack up on koreans
he probably doesnt really care about the past anymore, seriously what would actually make him to crack up on koreans -.-
omg you so stupid, i dont understand why you would still feel rage against japanese people
ok, yes i have a little prejudice against japanese people, but im starting to get over it, jesus christ
let me ask you did, did Japan fuck your family up? it was in the past as a tragedy and it needs to get over with

I dont even know what im saying is right or wrong, im just pissed that skk7000 took it the most stupidest way ever, people like him builds up prejudism against others

On May 02 2008 07:30 ilovezil wrote:
Thank god this japan/korea hate mostly lies within the older generation. We newer generation of koreans love anime/manga and find the enigmatic japanese culture quite fascinating ^_^

Thank you, exactly what we needed

Romance_us

Seychelles1806 Posts

May 01 2008 22:35 GMT

#11

Yea, I didn't realize how extreme the racism was. It's funny that he says all of that shit, and then goes "I don't hate japanese people". LOL?

If it's a Korean posting it, it's informative. If it's a Japanese posting it, it's a evil-intentioned stab at the Korean people. Good logic right there!

Reflex

Canada703 Posts

May 01 2008 22:36 GMT

#12

Skk7000 is a narrow-minded idiot. The end.

micronesia

United States24678 Posts

May 01 2008 22:46 GMT

#13

On May 02 2008 07:09 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
and micro, i doubt anyone really enjoys reading these, i mean i'm not particularly cunning or funny. But i just post them because ath the time it was annoying me.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 01 2008 22:52 GMT

#14

rofl image macro ftw

Reflex

Canada703 Posts

May 01 2008 23:06 GMT

#15

How does that picture make no sense?
Can't Darth Vader enjoy a little filtered water once in a while?

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 01 2008 23:13 GMT

#16

On May 02 2008 08:06 Reflex wrote:
How does that picture make no sense?
Can't Darth Vader enjoy a little filtered water once in a while?

no he cant

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 01 2008 23:25 GMT

#17

WW2 was caused by pride

I stopped reading right there. I should've stopped reading when I saw your AIM name was LiNkInPaRrK2289. I'm sure you'll ban me after this post anyways, but you're retarded.

I'm Japanese and I've lived there and some of the Korean angst is well deserved, because Japan is a pretty racist and xenophobic country. White gaijin don't get it nearly as bad as other kinds, so I was lucky in that respect and I'm sure Manifesto is as well.

On top of that, their war crimes were far reaching (even relevant today) and atrocious and it took the government half a century to even admit to them. Even today there are issues, which is part of the reason South Koreans play computer games like SC instead of SSBB/Halo3.

I think Baezzi was right in that you probably shouldn't trust a Japanese news source on the issue. I don't know how biased it was, but I do know most Japanese newspapers are incompetent. I probably wouldn't trust a Korean or Chinese newspaper on this specific issue either, although I would trust some of the private Korean media to simply be better reporters.

http://www.debito.org/rapporteur.html
That's the report a UN inspector did on racism in Japan in 2006.

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

May 01 2008 23:28 GMT

#18

On May 02 2008 08:13 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:

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no he cant

Why not? I'm sure he hates it when there's sith floating in his water.

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

May 01 2008 23:36 GMT

#19

Tell your friend to grow the fuck up. God, I hate how so many Koreans grow up to be dumbass racists.

Ask yourselves this, "why do I hate Japanese people?". Think about it!

How can you believe all that propaganda and not think for yourself as you're reading all the history books. Yes, the Japanese did very inhuman things to Korean people back during WW2. Do you know that in some cultures, being fat's considered beautiful? That having a bee-like waist was once considered beautiful? That killing a human being was justifiable (religion, honour, revenge, money; to name a few)?

All that aside, why the hell are we talking about Korea 60 years ago and Japan 60 years ago? Why do so many Koreans hate the present Japanese for the actions of the past Japanese?
/end rant

edit: if you're so unaccepting of the other side, the fued will never end. So let's just try to get along instead of spreading propaganda.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 01 2008 23:41 GMT

#20

On May 02 2008 08:36 infinity21 wrote:

How can you believe all that propaganda and not think for yourself as you're reading all the history books. Yes, the Japanese did very inhuman things to Korean people back during WW2. Do you know that in some cultures, being fat's considered beautiful? That having a bee-like waist was once considered beautiful? That killing a human being was justifiable (religion, honour, revenge, money; to name a few)?

This whole paragraph makes very little sense. Most of the propaganda is actually on the Japanese side, where they've only recently apologized for it and most school children will never learn what happened. The Korean propaganda is on the opposite side of the spectrum but IMO "JAPAN = DEVIL" is more accurate than "Nippon did nothing at all!"

All that aside, why the hell are we talking about Korea 60 years ago and Japan 60 years ago? Why do so many Koreans hate the present Japanese for the actions of the past Japanese?
/end rant

How old are your grandparents?

EDIT: And are they important to you?

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

May 01 2008 23:58 GMT

#21

What propaganda? Doesn't this sk000 guy live in the States?

SolaR-

United States2685 Posts

May 02 2008 00:24 GMT

#22

Korea<Japan<United States

We pwn, Japan korea stfu k thx, let the big boys talk.

OneOther

United States10774 Posts

May 02 2008 00:28 GMT

#23

On May 02 2008 09:24 CultureMisfits wrote:
Korea<Japan<United States

We pwn, Japan korea stfu k thx, let the big boys talk.

blasphemy

Reflex

Canada703 Posts

May 02 2008 00:29 GMT

#24

On May 02 2008 09:24 CultureMisfits wrote:
Korea<Japan<United States

We pwn, Japan korea stfu k thx, let the big boys talk.

Pandora's box has been opened.
PREPARE YOURSELVES!!

OneOther

United States10774 Posts

May 02 2008 00:47 GMT

#25

I love japanese porn...

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

May 02 2008 00:48 GMT

#26

On May 02 2008 08:41 Jibba wrote:

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How old are your grandparents?

EDIT: And are they important to you?

It was a pretty rough (in terms of editing) and quickly written rant.
Well, to expand on my point:
I went through all those things to describe what Dawkins calls the "moral zeitgeist". A certain action seems weird/disgusting to us now but at that time in that society, it was acceptable. Nations around the globe criticized Japan for their actions but at that time of war where the opinions of the opposing side mattered very little, I don't think Japan cared much about what the UN said. If Japan told england that chest hair is inhuman and disgusting, something makes me doubt that the British soldiers would've shaved their chest. Japan's approach towards WW2 was "do whatever it takes to win". If it meant sending young korean women to be raped in order to increase the morale of the japanese soldiers, they did it. If it meant flying their own fighter planes into ships, they did it. What I'm saying is: the things Japan did were terrible but so is eating human beings. Yeah, people used to eat other people. To hold a grudge against Japan (as a country) and be biased towards Japanese people because of the past is irrational.

Also, it's pretty rude of you to ask if my grandparents are important to me. Of course I love my grandparents. But the sufferings are in the past. They're living happily in Korea and as far as I remember, they don't go off on angry rants when I mention Japan (and I'm sure I have on a number of occasions, sometimes bringing up the war itself). Living your life; hating Japan for what they did in WW2 seems a bit pathetic imo.

The original thread was fine and had some interesting/funny discussions going on until Baezzi starting spewing his nationalistic mumbo jumbo like a broken record and completely sabotaged the thread. His behaviour and responses in that thread were completely unacceptable. L2W is a moderator of TL and deserves to be treated with respect.

kyjori

371 Posts

May 02 2008 01:00 GMT

#27

dude, chill, that isnt ffucking fair

can you ask a jew to just forget bout what the germans did to em back in ww2?

hell, they are still sensitive as hell over that

and when it comes to atrocities, the japanese did it to everyone in asia, not just the korean.

go ask some chinese or philipino nationality person what they think of them

-_-;;

or better yet, something more close to home.

the blacks who suffered all the way up until the 1970s (or even now is arguable) and tell em that theey are overreacting, their racist and their mistrust of the white man is unjustified.... are they fucking this ignorant also?

the native americans would belong here too, but most of em were killed off thanks to your ancestors.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 02 2008 01:06 GMT

#28

Infinity, ask them about Japan and the war then. I don't have the balls to ask my grandmother about the war, but I can imagine she'd be emotional and distraught over it and I think she even acknowledges her country was in the wrong. Imagine what it's like for people who went through mayhem, who were completely innocent.

And I don't think it's a moral zeitgeist. Their actions in China and Korea had very little pragmatic application (the invasion of China for resources did, but even that was a strategical mistake by the Japanese) and the raping/killing was not about winning, it was simply racism put into action by a superior military force.

Cannibalism is a societal thing, but it still doesn't excuse the times New Guinean tribes have raped and pillaged other tribes and then eaten them. And it's not as if Japan was radically different from the West at that point (they had been open and developing for 200+ years by then) and certainly not from China and Korea, where a large portion of their customs/religion/philosophy came from.

In fact, the Japanese fragmented provinces were much less warring than fragmented nation states in Europe. That is, until the bloodlust set in following WWI.

kyjori

371 Posts

May 02 2008 01:10 GMT

#29

On May 02 2008 09:24 CultureMisfits wrote:
Korea<Japan<United States

We pwn, Japan korea stfu k thx, let the big boys talk.

and this is why mother fuckers like you spawn ignorance more than baezzi ever will.

Chill

Calgary25980 Posts

May 02 2008 01:11 GMT

#30

On May 02 2008 10:00 kyjori wrote:

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Carry racism and prejudice forward from past generations even though it didn't happen when you were alive. That makes a lot of sense doesn't it?

The people who suffered through racism are not ignorant. The people who never experienced it but act prejudiced against people who didn't cause it are.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 02 2008 01:15 GMT

#31

On May 02 2008 10:11 Chill wrote:

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The thing is the racism goes completely both ways, even still. So now it's like "I get to be racist, because he's still racist against me." And then HE's like "I'll be racist, cause that fucker is still being racist to me." It's a giant bullshitfest, but Baezzi still acts like an internet god big baby.

Chill

Calgary25980 Posts

May 02 2008 01:19 GMT

#32

That's fine if you feel prejudice from another race and you base your actions on that. If you get beat by a race everywhere you go, of course you will feel prejudice against them. But I mean, although I can't tell anyone how to feel, I think feeling racism towards a person because of something that happened in a war you weren't alive for isn't right.

kyjori

371 Posts

May 02 2008 01:23 GMT

#33

but unlike the germans and jews, where germany totally changed their stance and policies so they arent like their old self, japan is a totally different case.

they are always claiming their racial superiority whether it be personal opinions, economics or government policies. so yeah......... sure yo ucan forget bout the shit u didnt live through but they keep acting like they are superior to you cuz of race, i dont see the problem of carrying it over. an eye for an eye eh?

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 02 2008 01:24 GMT

#34

On May 02 2008 10:19 Chill wrote:
That's fine if you feel prejudice from another race and you base your actions on that. If you get beat by a race everywhere you go, of course you will feel prejudice against them. But I mean, although I can't tell anyone how to feel, I think feeling racism towards a person because of something that happened in a war you weren't alive for isn't right.

I don't know about you but after the war on Char, I think all protoss are niggers.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 01:32 GMT

#35

On May 02 2008 08:25 Jibba wrote:

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I stopped reading right there. I should've stopped reading when I saw your AIM name was LiNkInPaRrK2289. I'm sure you'll ban me after this post anyways, but you're retarded.

I wasn't referring to the japanese side of WW2, i was referring to the fact that the treaty of versailles was a punishment that germans were ashamed of, equally the italians werent given any or much say in the treaty aswell, which left them very angry. It left much tension in all of europe for the germans hating the french and the british for putting such harsh restrictions on them becuase they wanted revenge for the war.

Pride was a cause of the war, not THE cause. And no, i don't ban people for having different opinions. Just like the mods on this site wouldn't.

The germans built up again and ignored the treaty. If the league of nations actually worked the way monroe wanted it to, then we most likely wouldn't of had a second world war. He wanted the war to end, we all share the responsibility and the costs. But france and britain wanted revenge for what they lost. And therefore ignored monroe's ideas, punished germany and its allies. Which left them not happy. Then they capitalized on the shitty economic situation in europe caused by the great depression by ignoring the treaty of versailles.

I try to avoid talking out of my ass, please feel free to try and rebutt any of this, but whatever, judge me by my screen name becuase i like a band. What should i be? CrazyLing90210? What meets your standards for people you would talk to or associate with on a username for a messanger or on a website.

I'm Japanese and I've lived there and some of the Korean angst is well deserved, because Japan is a pretty racist and xenophobic country. White gaijin don't get it nearly as bad as other kinds, so I was lucky in that respect and I'm sure Manifesto is as well.

On top of that, their war crimes were far reaching (even relevant today) and atrocious and it took the government half a century to even admit to them. Even today there are issues, which is part of the reason South Koreans play computer games like SC instead of SSBB/Halo3.

I think Baezzi was right in that you probably shouldn't trust a Japanese news source on the issue. I don't know how biased it was, but I do know most Japanese newspapers are incompetent. I probably wouldn't trust a Korean or Chinese newspaper on this specific issue either, although I would trust some of the private Korean media to simply be better reporters.

http://www.debito.org/rapporteur.html
That's the report a UN inspector did on racism in Japan in 2006.

Either way, BaeZZi should attack the credibility of the sources and post alternative reliable ones, not just attack the post get all defensive and become a baby. He didn't do that, he proceeded to have a tantrum. Any other person if they have different views would post things to support their individual views, a counter arguement more or less. BaeZZi had a tantrum and is now holding the TLPD Vod section hostage because of it.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 02 2008 01:36 GMT

#36

They were left economically devastated after WWI. That played a much bigger role than pride. The nationalism/racism was fostered on that economic deprivation.

Hearing it was "pride" is like hearing WWI was caused by Archduke Ferdinand's assassination. That's the type of convoluted bullshit they taught in my highschool history classes.

kyjori

371 Posts

May 02 2008 01:42 GMT

#37

On May 02 2008 10:32 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:

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if you believe pride was the cause to WW2, you are sadly fucking mistaken. brush up on your history.

after the end of WW2, Germany had nothing going for them. they had no pride. the ywere taking hand me downs from other countries (loans with no chance of being repaid) and eventually their currencly CRASHED.

only through these dire circumstances was someone like hitler allowed to gain power.....
only through dire circumstances are meglomaniacs/dictatorships allowed to rise with the support of the people (and lets not forget, hitler before commencing his war conquests, he actually created a better standard of living for the germans).

when you talk about pride hurt, i beleive it effects the japaense ALOT more than the germans of WW2. after the summary of WW1, japanese felt neglected and pissed off for their efforts in the war. they were only awarded small amounts of german territories here and there. soon after, they began a conquest of south east asia starting with korea, and the world just let it slide with NO resistance whatsoever., this soon moved onto manchuria, etc etc etc.

Mindcrime

United States6899 Posts

May 02 2008 01:44 GMT

#38

On May 02 2008 10:36 Jibba wrote:
They were left economically devastated after WWI. That played a much bigger role than pride. The nationalism/racism was fostered on that economic deprivation.

Well, that, and to a large majority of Germans it really didn't seem possible that they could have lost the war. Most of the rest of Europe was devastated by WWI, but Germany was largely intact. A large number of Germans began to believe that they had not lost, but rather that someone had sold them out from within.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 01:44 GMT

#39

Clearly the economic situation played a role, but it was becuase of the treaty to punish them becuase of france and britains pride and desire to punish the germans for the war.

Due to the treaty they were forced to pay for the costs of the war on both sides. Which was hardly fair since it wasn't all anyones fault, let alone all germany's fault, no one would be happy after being forced to choke down all the pride you ever had in your country and accept the terms of that treaty.

Now this is the point i'm stressing, I am not trying to say the war was caused completely by pride, not even close. It played a god damn role though, and only a fool would disagree to that. I don't anywhere state it was a main cause at all, there was many many contributing factors which if you would like i could go into detail about. Then you can judge my knowledge or lack there of on history through that. But the fact that pride contributed to the war to some extent, the pride and hatred that arose from the treaty and the outcome of WWI cannot be denied.

Also you still didn't respond, what's the issue with my screen name? I have heard people take this shot a few times, what the hells wrong with linkin park? It's as good a band as any. Whats your screen name thats so good and great that puts mine to shame?

kyjori

371 Posts

May 02 2008 01:49 GMT

#40

On May 02 2008 10:44 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
Clearly the economic situation played a role, but it was becuase of the treaty to punish them becuase of france and britains pride and desire to punish the germans for the war.

Due to the treaty they were forced to pay for the costs of the war on both sides. Which was hardly fair since it wasn't all anyones fault, let alone all germany's fault, no one would be happy after being forced to choke down all the pride you ever had in your country and accept the terms of that treaty.

Now this is the point i'm stressing, I am not trying to say the war was caused completely by pride, not even close. It played a god damn role though, and only a fool would disagree to that. I don't anywhere state it was a main cause at all, there was many many contributing factors which if you would like i could go into detail about. Then you can judge my knowledge or lack there of on history through that. But the fact that pride contributed to the war to some extent, the pride and hatred that arose from the treaty and the outcome of WWI cannot be denied.

Also you still didn't respond, what's the issue with my screen name? I have heard people take this shot a few times, what the hells wrong with linkin park? It's as good a band as any. Whats your screen name thats so good and great that puts mine to shame?

pride of france and britain you say? wouldnt you be pissed off that you entered a horrendouly expensive war that cost in both monetary and lives?

if someone murdered your wife/brother/sister/mother/father wouldnt you want to sue the mother fucker to no end? wouldnt you want them to suffer?

it isnt about pride, it is about mother fucking justice

do you let a country get away with an act of aggression with no punishment? HELL NO

Straylight

Canada706 Posts

May 02 2008 01:50 GMT

#41

People still listen to Linkin Park? I thought that shit stopped when I turned 15.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 01:51 GMT

#42

On May 02 2008 10:42 kyjori wrote:

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On May 02 2008 10:32 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:

On May 02 2008 08:25 Jibba wrote:

WW2 was caused by pride

I stopped reading right there. I should've stopped reading when I saw your AIM name was LiNkInPaRrK2289. I'm sure you'll ban me after this post anyways, but you're retarded.

Where are you from and have you ever read anything in your life?

Including my post where i say it was A cause not THE cause. To attribute any war to just one thing is usually silly, few of any wars are ever started over just one thing.

And maybe you forget that hitler was promising the germans a restored faith in their country, to give them back the pride which they loved. After the war they were fucking ashamed. The treaty of versailles was an huge insult to a grave injury. The harsh terms of it crushed their moral, hitler capitalized on the times and made huge bold statements that germans wanted to hear. He promised them the rise of the germans again, i think he promised them the third reich, the germans third coming as a super power, and basically ignored the treaty later on and raised german pride even more, the hatred towards the allies of the post war was probably up there with their hated for the jews. Hell, i would be pissed too if i got treated so unfairly and i would want some revenge and to feel some damn pride in my country again.

Hitler capitalized on that mentally, the pride in ones nation and the desire for revenge to help achieve his personal goals.

As i said, it's not the only factor, but it is a factor.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 02:02 GMT

#43

On May 02 2008 10:49 kyjori wrote:

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pride of france and britain you say? wouldnt you be pissed off that you entered a horrendouly expensive war that cost in both monetary and lives?

The germans entered that war too if you don't remember, it just so happens that the germans lost becuase the U.S. decided to enter the war aswel. And ofcoarse i would be pissed, but i would also try to use my fucking head and plan for the future, like monroe did. League of nations, world peace, etc. To preserve the safety of the future. France and Britain just wanted revenge. Why should germany pay for france and britains war aswel as their own? That doens't make sense unless it was completely their fault, which it wasn't.

Also the germans werent aggressors in WW1 you dolt, they were in WW2 with the appeasement and polish blitzkrieg. They didn't do that shit before WW1, they did it before WW2, get your facts strait please. If they tried being aggressive earlier then they would of been the cause, but assasination of archduke frans ferdinand was the trigger that set it all off, but once again, it's no thte only factor. If germany was aggressive it would of set off the war MUCH sooner then just 1 person dieing, regardless of how important they were.

if someone murdered your wife/brother/sister/mother/father wouldnt you want to sue the mother fucker to no end? wouldnt you want them to suffer?

it isnt about pride, it is about mother fucking justice

You can't compair something personal like the murder of family members to something as impersonal as a war with a country. People have faces personalities and loved ones, therefore murder becomes a very personal thing. War is very general and on a mass scale. Its very impersonal, thats why there is war atrocities, disgusting things that are happen, it takes the humanity from people.

and once again if i'm leading a country i would do whats best for it, since thats an impersonal role. I would do whats best for my nation by trying to forge a peace. If someone were to kill my mom i would seek revenge ont he individual, not the entire country where they are from. Keep that in mind.

do you let a country get away with an act of aggression with no punishment? HELL NO

Once again your argueing the wrong war.

junny

United States174 Posts

May 02 2008 02:09 GMT

#44

skk7000 (5:32:03 PM): u lucky i cant type fast

lolol, he got you there!

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 02:16 GMT

#45

140 WPM ftw~~

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

May 02 2008 02:16 GMT

#46

On May 02 2008 08:28 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:

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Why not? I'm sure he hates it when there's sith floating in his water.

It's funny because sith looks like shit.

Mindcrime

United States6899 Posts

May 02 2008 02:18 GMT

#47

On May 02 2008 11:02 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
And ofcoarse i would be pissed, but i would also try to use my fucking head and plan for the future, like monroe did. League of nations, world peace, etc. To preserve the safety of the future.

Uh...

mousey.rr

United States103 Posts

May 02 2008 02:20 GMT

#48

rofl joey skk7000 still has me blocked because of that BC rush vid sn3t made of him lol

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 02:30 GMT

#49

On May 02 2008 11:18 Mindcrime wrote:

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Uh...

Wow, i fucking ment woodrow wilson. too lazy to edit all my posts, so lets just play the word subtitutions game.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 02:30 GMT

#50

On May 02 2008 11:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:

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It's funny because sith looks like shit.

hahahahahahaha
lolololololololololol
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lmfaomfaolmfaolmfaolmfao
kekekekekekkekkekekeke
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i love you so i give you pity laugh shallow <3

kyjori

371 Posts

May 02 2008 02:41 GMT

#51

On May 02 2008 11:02 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:

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Once again your argueing the wrong war.

germans were agressors in WW1, u think just the assassination of the arch duke was the cause of a war? It was merely an excuse, conveneint cause to the war.

the rise of nationalism before that era is one of the causes, the assassination just kicked off the events. i gotta leave work now so i cant really go in depth at the moment, but when i have time, i will respond to this more clearly.

if u are telling others to brush up on history, you should do it yourself.

all your facts are just barely scratches the surface. there was alot more than just the assassination that started the first world war...

god damn, this is the product of US history courses through public education, a piece of shit learning ~~

KwarK

United States42673 Posts

May 02 2008 02:42 GMT

#52

It has been too long my old friend.

On August 19 2007 21:58 KwarK wrote:
Humanity is quite possibly the worst species.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 02 2008 02:58 GMT

#53

On May 02 2008 11:41 kyjori wrote:

god damn, this is the product of US history courses through public education, a piece of shit learning ~~

Agreed. I had to go through those classes so I know all the crap he's bringing up, and I know it's all bullshit. Prussia and France were headed towards war, no matter what anyone else did.

Wow, i fucking ment woodrow wilson

Speaking of racism...

Equinox_kr

United States7395 Posts

May 02 2008 03:30 GMT

#54

oop double post :O

uTorrent is fucking up my comp rofl

too many proleague vods

Equinox_kr

United States7395 Posts

May 02 2008 03:31 GMT

#55

I've seen worse. -_-

I'm fucking ashamed of Koreans who act this way, having no real direct connection for hating the Japanese and just acting hateful because of it anyway.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 03:32 GMT

#56

What of racism?

Oh, and for the 30th fucking time, i do not believe a war is caused by 1 thing, like the assasination. Its usually a collective amount of things. But germany was not aggressive before WW1, otherwise that would of triggered the war wouldn't it? If things were on such a boiling point before WW1 that one guy getting shot set into motion the war, then you think germany taking stuff over before that would set some people off.

Maybe they did and i'm just not aware, if so please link me to some sources o_O

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 03:33 GMT

#57

And yeah i learned a lot from school in the U.S. but i also read a lot and watch the history channel for some reason, it's not just school -_-

Equinox_kr

United States7395 Posts

May 02 2008 03:34 GMT

#58

On May 02 2008 11:16 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
140 WPM ftw~~

rofl it's like you're a speed vulture and he's a slow zealot hahaha

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 04:49 GMT

#59

On May 02 2008 12:34 Equinox_kr wrote:

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rofl it's like you're a speed vulture and he's a slow zealot with down syndrome hahaha

Fixed. ;P

wesbrown

United States31 Posts

May 02 2008 05:19 GMT

#60

I got to this post and had to reply. Sorry if people have already responded in a similar manner.

On May 02 2008 10:00 kyjori wrote:
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dude, chill, that isnt ffucking fair

can you ask a jew to just forget bout what the germans did to em back in ww2?

hell, they are still sensitive as hell over that

I live on a hall in a dorm where at least half of the people are Jewish in some form. I hear good-natured exchanges ranging from calling someone "as gaunt as a Jew in Auschwitz" to references to gas chambers to jokes about someone (of Jewish background) being like Hitler. No one on my hall finds these types of jokes offensive; in fact, I don't know a single Jewish person who is "still sensitive as hell" about the Holocaust. The Jewish people I know mourn the Holocaust, but none of them believe that the German people are evil.

and when it comes to atrocities, the japanese did it to everyone in asia, not just the korean.

go ask some chinese or philipino nationality person what they think of them

I've asked my (born and raised for many years in China) Chinese girlfriend how she feels about the Japanese. She doesn't hate them, she doesn't despise them, she doesn't hold any grudge against them. I've talked to many other Chinese and Korean people, and none of them have ever had a systematic hate or distrust of Japanese people. (Disclosure: most of the rest of them were native-born Americans of Chinese or Korean ethnicity.)

-_-;;

or better yet, something more close to home.

the blacks who suffered all the way up until the 1970s (or even now is arguable) and tell em that theey are overreacting, their racist and their mistrust of the white man is unjustified.... are they fucking this ignorant also?

Many blacks are not racist at all; many of them don't "mistrust ... the white man." Granted, there are many American blacks who do resent white people and who do hold racist views, just as there are many whites who hold racist views. This in no way makes their views valid. Justified, arguably, but not valid. And yes, if a black person told me that white people are evil because of slavery, I would believe that he was ignorant. If you are current with the American political scene, then you've probably heard of Jeremiah Wright. I believe he is ignorant. (I also believe that he is an idiot, but that isn't relevant to this discussion.)

the native americans would belong here too, but most of em were killed off thanks to your ancestors.

I'm a member of the Cherokee nation. (Disclosure: I am also white. No, I don't hate myself.) I mourn the Trail of Tears, I mourn the deaths of my ancestors, and I mourn the destruction of thousands of lives, Cherokee or other. However, I most definitely don't hold any grudge against white people. To do so would be to live in the past; nothing I do can change the fact that abuses were leveled against my people. I could grow bitter and hate the descendants of those who helped kill my people, but this does nothing but perpetuate hate.

Instead, I remember what happened so that I can help ensure that it doesn't happen again. I remember the Holocaust so that I can help ensure that it doesn't happen again. I remember slavery and segregation so that I can help ensure that it doesn't happen again. I try to remember the abuses of all peoples throughout history so that I can help ensure that they don't happen again. But remaining angry over them? No.

Hating people because of what their ancestors did is foolish. In the best case, you irrationally hate people. In the worst case, you rationalize abusing them because of the past. As far as I'm concerned, this is a lose-lose situation.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 05:41 GMT

#61

Wow, that was just a nice post wesbrown. Hope to see you around more :D seems like you atleast are level headed about stuff.

.MistiK

Netherlands347 Posts

May 02 2008 07:51 GMT

#62

we got owned pretty badly by Germany in WWII, but it's not like Dutch people hate Germans now.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 02 2008 11:18 GMT

#63

wesbrown, you're bringing up people who have extremely little connection to what actually happened. American born Jews and Chinese have very little in common with Polish Jews or those who grew up in Nanjing, and if you asked the latter two, they would still be upset about it. There's a huge difference when you live across the world from where the events took place. It's unlikely they would believe all Germans are evil but like someone else pointed out, Germany cleaned itself up but racism is still alive and well in the Japanese government/businesses/etc.

MoNKeY, I suggest if you're interested in real history, you stop watching the History Channel as well. It's skewed pop-fiction history unless you're interested in hearing about HITLERZ SUPERWEAPeNZ that had zero impact on the war. Prussia had been an aggressive military state since the 3 Prussian wars in the 1860s and 70s, the most shocking of which was the Franco-Prussian war which everyone expected France to win. None of these were Civil War/WWI type bloodbaths, they were all decisive Napoleonic-type victories and the truth is that most people expected WWI to turn out the same way, except a few people like Lord Kitchener.

But the important part is everyone DID expect war between France and Germany, and for them it didn't begin as a political conflict. Military leaders pushed political leaders into mobilization for the sake of having the first attack ready so they'd have a better chance of winning the inevitable, short war. After all, aggressors always had the advantage in the Prussian wars, so neither side wanted to go 2nd.

Austria and Serbia are a whole other issue, but really WWI wasn't about them. It was about the two army superpowers settling the score in quick fashion.

ChkChk.Boom

United States140 Posts

May 02 2008 16:31 GMT

#64

My grandfather was part of the "Death March" in the Philippines during WW2. My dad told me one time that my grandfather doesn't buy anything Japanese and I asked him why. He told me to ask my grandfather. So I go ask my grandfather, and what I got were his "war stories" which were filled with stories about being deprived of food, tortured, and various other atrocities committed by their Japanese guards. I can see why he doesn't like the Japanese, but I can't comprehend why the younger generation would hold such grudges. I guess I would attribute it to their upbringing, as children do as their parents do. Personally, I don't hate the Japanese; I love watching anime and thank God for sushi and Japanese cars, or else i'd be broke at the gas pumps. Jesus this is my longest post. /end post

wesbrown

United States31 Posts

May 02 2008 16:45 GMT

#65

On May 02 2008 20:18 Jibba wrote:
wesbrown, you're bringing up people who have extremely little connection to what actually happened. American born Jews and Chinese have very little in common with Polish Jews or those who grew up in Nanjing, and if you asked the latter two, they would still be upset about it. There's a huge difference when you live across the world from where the events took place. It's unlikely they would believe all Germans are evil but like someone else pointed out, Germany cleaned itself up but racism is still alive and well in the Japanese government/businesses/etc.

My point was three-fold:

1) Hating a people for what their ancestors did is more or less irrational. Being upset about atrocities is reasonable; holding a grudge against a subset of the human population based only on nationalistic criteria or actions of a dying/dead generation isn't.

2) "There's a huge difference when you live across the world from where the events took place." Exactly. Suppose that someone grows up in, say, Korea and hates the Japanese, whereas if that person grew up in the United States he wouldn't have any negative opinions of the Japanese. Same person, entirely different prejudices/beliefs. Quite obviously, prejudice is not genetic but learned (in the nature vs. nurture debate, prejudice falls under nurture). A person raised outside of a society (or even household) that condones this type of racism/systematic hatred is much more likely to be forgiving. My point is that people can forgive others for atrocities in the past and be able to interact with a previously abusive people.

3) Younger generations tend to be more forgiving. (Most of the people I referenced were under 30.) I view this as an optimistic point because it means we can expect the type of hatred we've been discussing to die out eventually, albeit slowly. Other people in this thread have told of young Koreans who don't hate the Japanese. I'm tempted to say that there must be a relatively large segment of the native Korean youth who are much more passive concerning the Japanese than their parents. (I can't say this for sure because I don't know, but I would expect it probabilistically.)

Yes, it is true that many of the people with whom I spoke were removed from the events, but not all of them. Many of the American-born Chinese and Korean people I mentioned were second-generation (their parents were born and raised in an Asian country and immigrated in their adulthood), so they may be removed physically but not entirely socially. As far as the Jews go, at least a quarter of the Jewish people on my hall have ties to Poland. (Generally, they have family still in the country.) I really feel that I didn't pick bad examples for the points I was trying to get across.

My grandfather fought in WWII and harbored resentful feelings for the Japanese people until he died. I understand his feelings, but it doesn't mean I share them; to do so would to be irrational. Essentially, I can understand why victims of atrocities would still be upset and resentful--they should be. However, I cannot condone younger generations who are just as removed (temporally) as many of the people I mentioned who have forgiven. Temporal location > physical location, or at least it should be.

(Also, I was mostly attempting to rebut blanket statements that I recognized to be false or misleading in some form. I wasn't trying to cover every base.)

Edit:

On May 03 2008 01:31 ChkChk.Boom wrote:
My grandfather was part of the "Death March" in the Philippines during WW2. My dad told me one time that my grandfather doesn't buy anything Japanese and I asked him why. He told me to ask my grandfather. So I go ask my grandfather, and what I got were his "war stories" which were filled with stories about being deprived of food, tortured, and various other atrocities committed by their Japanese guards. I can see why he doesn't like the Japanese, but I can't comprehend why the younger generation would hold such grudges. I guess I would attribute it to their upbringing, as children do as their parents do. Personally, I don't hate the Japanese; I love watching anime and thank God for sushi and Japanese cars, or else i'd be broke at the gas pumps. Jesus this is my longest post. /end post

Exactly.

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

May 02 2008 17:09 GMT

#66

I stopped at "ww2 was caused by pride."

You're both idiots.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 02 2008 17:37 GMT

#67

Yes, it is true that many of the people with whom I spoke were removed from the events, but not all of them. Many of the American-born Chinese and Korean people I mentioned were second-generation (their parents were born and raised in an Asian country and immigrated in their adulthood), so they may be removed physically but not entirely socially. As far as the Jews go, at least a quarter of the Jewish people on my hall have ties to Poland. (Generally, they have family still in the country.) I really feel that I didn't pick bad examples for the points I was trying to get across.

Being physically removed is a huge part of the experience, and I don't think they are very good examples. I'm a second generation Japanese American and all of my Jewish great grandmother's brothers and sisters were killed in Poland during the war, and I have almost zero heritage-tied emotional connection to any of the events because I live in Michigan and not in Warsaw or Hiroshima, and my great grandmother and Japanese grandmother are not large parts of my life.

What Koreans and Chinese feel is an essentialist thing, that neither I nor your friends can understand because we didn't grow up surrounded by it. And then you add on top of it the current racism and you get closer to what crazy Baezzi feels.

And calling them ancestors is a bit misleading. We're talking about current grandparents who went around raping and torturing people.

.MistiK

Netherlands347 Posts

May 02 2008 18:50 GMT

#68

On May 03 2008 02:37 Jibba wrote:
We're talking about current grandparents who went around raping and torturing people.

That thought is so fucked up. I wonder what I'd think/do if my grandfather was a rapist.

wesbrown

United States31 Posts

May 02 2008 20:46 GMT

#69

On May 03 2008 02:37 Jibba wrote:
What Koreans and Chinese feel is an essentialist thing, that neither I nor your friends can understand because we didn't grow up surrounded by it. And then you add on top of it the current racism and you get closer to what crazy Baezzi feels.

I agree with you: it's not something that I nor anyone outside of the culture can understand. This makes the cultural hate/racism/etc. more irrational because it depends on context.

Moreover, not everyone in that culture feels the same way. In this thread, there have been people who have said that they don't harbor negative feelings for the Japanese. It appears that Korean culture, at least in some areas, is changing to match historical precedents (letting hate and resentment subside). This was more of what I was attempting to get across.

And calling them ancestors is a bit misleading. We're talking about current grandparents who went around raping and torturing people.

I was attempting to make a point on a longer historical scale because I had given examples ranging over a few centuries. I used 'ancestors' more to refer to the general idea of a non-current generation, not to the Korean-Japanese dynamic. In that particular situation, I fully understand a hatred or resentment of the older generations by newer generations, but I still maintain that a 10-year-old Korean child should not hate a 10-year-old Japanese child because he is Japanese. (Similarly, I understand older generations of blacks resenting older generations of whites for the pre-Civil Rights era, but I cannot see a good reason for another (e.g., black) teen to hate me only because I am white.)

In the context of Korean-Japanese relations, using 'ancestors' probably is a bit misleading. This was an accident on my part; I'm sorry if I muddled my point because of my wording.

Nonetheless, I still maintain that hating an entire people due to the actions of some members of a dying generation is irrational. I cannot condone judging someone based on the actions of another person, regardless of whether or not some cultures accept this reasoning.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 02 2008 22:28 GMT

#70

Agreed. I think it's illogical, but not unjustified.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 23:04 GMT

#71

On May 03 2008 02:09 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I stopped at "ww2 was caused by pride."

You're both idiots.

congrats on being the SECOND!! person to say that.

there goes your originallity, bitch.

also i don't actually beleive that, i said it more so to make a point that pride is a stupid and negative thing. I don't beleive its the cause of ww2 for fucks sake. and read rest of the thread before posting you tool, there is a lot more about it.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 02 2008 23:08 GMT

#72

and i will admit that i got a little caught up in the aim conversation and said something not true and that i didn't necessarily beleive.

._.

1133 Posts

May 03 2008 00:33 GMT

#73

Jap government seems pretty disgusting to say that the Nanking massacre never happened and they plan on revising textbooks to remove that. Saying that Korea benefited from the invasion and that the "comfort women" were willing citizens is also downright low. I also see Korean "cockroach" as being a common name by Japaneses people I see on youtube.

Its even more disturbing about Japanese insight at rape and minorities, doesn't it have some really disturbing connotations with that?

Of course this does not apply to all, but there is still a good few who hold this to be true.

Of course, this Korean here took it a little more and ahead, but its such a touchy issue, sorta like mentioning planes crashing to a 9/11 victim.

I'm wondering what haji intended to do with that thread though..I mean he knows there's alot of koreans on the forum and him being Japanese doesn't help, and he posted up sources in Japanese. Stir up a decent conversation? It would just be like..wow..wtf _insert random sc joke + korean thing metaphor..lolol.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 03 2008 00:37 GMT

#74

On May 03 2008 09:33 ._. wrote:

I'm wondering what haji intended to do with that thread though..I mean he knows there's alot of koreans on the forum and him being Japanese doesn't help, and he posted up sources in Japanese. Stir up a decent conversation? It would just be like..wow..wtf _insert random sc joke + korean thing metaphor..lolol.

Good point, I really wonder. The report didn't even seem trustworthy, because I simply cannot believe rape levels are that low in Japan.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 03 2008 12:18 GMT

#75

Haji also susgested if you read the entire thing, which most people do not becuase htey only focus on the baezzi controversy and things that dont actually relate. He goes on to susgest that he thinks rapes in japan just arent reported as much as they are in korea, since they share such a similar culture and everything it's illogical for japanese to have such a far lower rate that korea, he's basically saying he thinks the japanese rape more then it says there.

If anything he insults the japanese more so then the koreans, but some of you don't focus on that fact and jump strait to him attacking korea. Which i don't think he was.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 03 2008 12:23 GMT

#76

Also if it wasn't posted by someone who was japanese, i doubt anyone would of cared. As i got my friend to admit. If he didn't know haji was japanese he said he would of read it without bias, and wouldn't think twice of the posters nationality and just considered it informative and thought provoking.

But he found out haji was japanese and assumed it was an attack, which is kind of ignroant. It's basically following the idea that because hes japanese then its hateful writing, but if he was italian or something then it's just informative.

I guess theres some level of logic there, like it could be anti korean japanese propaganda, but at the same time i think it's stupid to presume the worst in someone off their nationality. Also take into account haji is a japanese-american not a japanese man living in japan. He has little more reason then i do to be bias against koreans. Also keep in mind he plays a big part in this site which is all about the korean progaming scene and if you ask him what is his favorite progamer is i doubt he will say "I love boxer, i just wish he wasn't a fucking gook" or something, no he would probably have something similar to what HonestTea said about sAviOr, or something you would read in a TL:FE, not something hate filled.

Seriously, if you want to take nationality into it, take into account his personality and his upbringing and what fucking site your on for christs sake.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 03 2008 12:28 GMT

#77

Still doesn't explain why he'd post an obviously inflammatory article, that even he thought was inaccurate.

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

May 03 2008 20:00 GMT

#78

On May 03 2008 21:23 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
Also if it wasn't posted by someone who was japanese, i doubt anyone would of cared. As i got my friend to admit. If he didn't know haji was japanese he said he would of read it without bias, and wouldn't think twice of the posters nationality and just considered it informative and thought provoking.

But he found out haji was japanese and assumed it was an attack, which is kind of ignroant. It's basically following the idea that because hes japanese then its hateful writing, but if he was italian or something then it's just informative.

I guess theres some level of logic there, like it could be anti korean japanese propaganda, but at the same time i think it's stupid to presume the worst in someone off their nationality. Also take into account haji is a japanese-american not a japanese man living in japan. He has little more reason then i do to be bias against koreans. Also keep in mind he plays a big part in this site which is all about the korean progaming scene and if you ask him what is his favorite progamer is i doubt he will say "I love boxer, i just wish he wasn't a fucking gook" or something, no he would probably have something similar to what HonestTea said about sAviOr, or something you would read in a TL:FE, not something hate filled.

Seriously, if you want to take nationality into it, take into account his personality and his upbringing and what fucking site your on for christs sake.

If a German poster randomly posts a (biased) article from a German website that "claims" Jewish people are more likely to be thieves/rapists than Germans, how do you think a Jewish person would feel reading it?

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 03 2008 21:37 GMT

#79

On May 03 2008 21:28 Jibba wrote:
Still doesn't explain why he'd post an obviously inflammatory article, that even he thought was inaccurate.

Just the statisitics were questionable, not the story about the 50-100 rape incidents in the school, the other stuff about korea vs usa vs japan rates were just extra info to create more discussion.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 03 2008 21:38 GMT

#80

On May 04 2008 05:00 teamsolid wrote:

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Like i said before, i would take into account who the poster is aswel and his history. If you read what haji says i doubt you can conclude hes some anti korean nutcase.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 03 2008 21:39 GMT

#81

If it was a more random person, i would be inclined to agree that it was bias/ment to cause problems.

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

May 03 2008 21:45 GMT

#82

On May 04 2008 06:39 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
If it was a more random person, i would be inclined to agree that it was bias/ment to cause problems.

Baezzi doesn't know Haji at all. To him, he's just a random Japanese who posted on TL a lot. I bet he didn't even know his nationality, until other Koreans who were offended by the post brought it to his attention.

On May 01 2008 00:13 [some German guy] wrote:
Sexual crimes including rape has been on a sharp rise among Jews in recent years. Perhaps the most shocking of them all surfaced today, where it was discovered that Jewish elementary school boys had been group raping underclassmen girls on a daily basis.

Source: [some German site]

...

Well the first part is unequivocally fucked up, and hopefully the Jewish people will try to remedy this situation which has clearly gotten out of hand (not just in this isolated case, but in general as well).

I just replaced every instance of Korean with Jewish. I'm not Korean, but I can fully understand why any Korean (living in Korea) would be offended from reading that, coming from a Japanese person. It doesn't matter what you add next, the damage is already done.

Then, what really set Baezzi off was when Live2Win unintentionally said this to him in Korean (due to poor grammar):

"You don't speak too good of English. I don't think you understand this thread. I do want you to know that we ban people who offend other race."

If Haji just wanted a neutral discussion, he should've presented the figure and added a single comment below it:

This graph shows the # of reported rapes in Japan, Korea and the US.
Discuss.

All this still doesn't justify what Baezzi did after, but it's really not that hard at all to see why he would be pissed off.

Ecael

United States6703 Posts

May 03 2008 22:32 GMT

#83

On May 04 2008 06:45 teamsolid wrote:
If Haji just wanted a neutral discussion, he should've presented the figure and added a single comment below it:

This graph shows the # of reported rapes in Japan, Korea and the US.
Discuss.

Perhaps I understand English less than Baezzi, but if one should present that graph to me without the disclaimer and analysis that Haji typed up, I'd get a lot angrier and be less prone to discussion. To present a data set that looks completely biased without the kind of buffering that was written will generate a neutral discussion? There is some logic in that statement, possibly, but I completely cannot follow it.

On May 03 2008 21:28 Jibba wrote:
Still doesn't explain why he'd post an obviously inflammatory article, that even he thought was inaccurate.

On May 03 2008 09:33 ._. wrote:
I'm wondering what haji intended to do with that thread though..I mean he knows there's alot of koreans on the forum and him being Japanese doesn't help, and he posted up sources in Japanese. Stir up a decent conversation? It would just be like..wow..wtf _insert random sc joke + korean thing metaphor..lolol.

Because he obviously had motivation to humiliate the Koreans after spending so much of his life live-reporting the very game that those Koreans follow religiously. I think it is some backlash from all the hard work.

No, get over it, it was a piece of data that struck him as a potentially good discussion. In fact, it might've turned out to be pretty good if people took the time to read. If the OP is supposed to be held responsible for taking in as much precautions as possible but having the following posters ignore them, then we might as well as close down as a forum.

Is the data biased? Who knows, he and I noted an obvious possible reporting bias with the Japanese dataset, does it mean that there is a reporting bias with the Korean or United States ones? Maybe, but no one took the time to discuss the matter and pursue the cultural based reporting bias of Japan before simply dismissing the whole thing as a piece of disinformation. Source validity is important, but being annoyed because of pride and dismissing an unfavorable information, true or not, is another matter.

Are there more things he could've done? Possibly, but he sure put a lot of effort into making the post as unbiased as he could make it. Are people annoyed that the source is in Japanese? Ask for a translation, then, if he had the time to translate 2ch threads it isn't exactly inconceivable that he'd translate that. At that, even I'd translate it if one wants to risk the horrible translations of a non-native learning student.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 03 2008 22:39 GMT

#84

I doubt he did it on purpose, but it does strike me that he didn't put enough thought into what he was posting and where he was posting it.

I've never defended Baezzi for a second. I think he's got allusions of grandeur and takes things way too seriously over the internet. Almost everything I've posted has either been criticizing the data or explaining Korean/Japanese angst.

Ecael

United States6703 Posts

May 03 2008 22:50 GMT

#85

I honestly feel that he took a great amount of precautions to keep it as neutral as possible, even a faulty data through proper discussion will shed light on a discussion, and he was doing as much as could be done to keep things civil and in perspective. With the Tibet threads handled quite well, it isn't exactly illogical to think that the particular topic would've been fine.

EDIT - I in no way mean to suggest that you are defending Baezzi's behavior, if the previous post seemed that way, then my apologies.

Ecael

United States6703 Posts

May 03 2008 22:54 GMT

#86

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

May 03 2008 23:13 GMT

#87

On May 04 2008 07:54 Ecael wrote:
I honestly feel that he took a great amount of precautions to keep it as neutral as possible, even a faulty data through proper discussion will shed light on a discussion, and he was doing as much as could be done to keep things civil and in perspective. With the Tibet threads handled quite well, it isn't exactly illogical to think that the particular topic would've been fine.

The Tibet threads were only handled well because there's a large amount of anti-Chinese sentiment at TL and in the minds of many Westerners.

If you tried posting something like that on a Chinese forum, you'd probably start getting death threats by email or something.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 03 2008 23:47 GMT

#88

And Chinese are blocked from viewing those threads. ^^

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 03 2008 23:50 GMT

#89

[QUOTE]On May 04 2008 06:45 teamsolid wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 04 2008 06:39 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
If it was a more random person, i would be inclined to agree that it was bias/ment to cause problems.[/QUOTE]
Baezzi doesn't know Haji at all. To him, he's just a random Japanese who posted on TL a lot. I bet he didn't even know his nationality, until other Koreans who were offended by the post brought it to his attention. [quote]
You have to have some level or respect for someone who is a former mod and who does so much for this site and who follows the scene so much, why would he dedicate such a large portion of his life to a game which is played by those who he hates. BaeZZi should think of that before taking such offense and getting so angry about nothng.

[quote]

[quote]On May 01 2008 00:13 [some German guy] wrote:
Sexual crimes including rape has been on a sharp rise among Jews in recent years. Perhaps the most shocking of them all surfaced today, where it was discovered that Jewish elementary school boys had been group raping underclassmen girls on a daily basis.

Source: [some German site]

...

Well the first part is unequivocally fucked up, and hopefully the Jewish people will try to remedy this situation which has clearly gotten out of hand (not just in this isolated case, but in general as well).[/quote]
I just replaced every instance of Korean with Jewish. I'm not Korean, but I can fully understand why any Korean (living in Korea) would be offended from reading that, coming from a Japanese person. It doesn't matter what you add next, the damage is already done.
[/QUOTE]

korea is a government, jewish is a people, theres a slight difference in it. Korea can do somethgn to try to prevent rape. Blaming the Jewish religion for rape and blaming the korean government are 2 very different things imo. A religion doesn't have much authority over that, especially compaired to a government.

._.

1133 Posts

May 04 2008 00:05 GMT

#90

On May 04 2008 07:32 Ecael wrote:

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Get over what? What kind of silly first paragraph is that?
The "lolol" is just an imaginary paraphrase that is cliche to the general forum.
There are such sentiments that stretch beyond rationale and I really don't see what kind of discussion would be generated from such a thing like that. Yeah rape rates sure are interesting to look at, troublesome yes, but I don't see how something like that could NOT get erupted, I can imagine the discussion revolving around "wow terrible, we need to do this "a" change "b", and then what? Discussion is pointless on the matter, will Koreans on the forum suddenly open their eyes and do something about it? Will we be like, "Oh so that's how rapists are eh?" And its not all that intellectually stimulating either, maybe a crash course in statistics and cultural change but otherwise it'll just lead into some idiots taking it the wrong way and massing 11-12 pages of misunderstanding.

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

May 04 2008 00:10 GMT

#91

On May 04 2008 08:50 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:

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You have to have some level or respect for someone who is a former mod and who does so much for this site and who follows the scene so much, why would he dedicate such a large portion of his life to a game which is played by those who he hates. BaeZZi should think of that before taking such offense and getting so angry about nothng.

Uh... even I have no idea who Haji is or what he's done specifically (I've only been a TL member for a year). Baezzi also came to TL.net only recently, so of course he has no idea who Haji is or what he's done. Also, being a long-time member of TL doesn't mean you can't also be a (closet) racist (I really doubt Haji is).

On May 04 2008 08:50 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:

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korea is a government, jewish is a people, theres a slight difference in it. Korea can do somethgn to try to prevent rape. Blaming the Jewish religion for rape and blaming the korean government are 2 very different things imo. A religion doesn't have much authority over that, especially compaired to a government.

That sounds like the CNN "apology"...

But no, this article is referring to Korean PEOPLE, similar to the Jewish people. I replaced "Korean", which refers to Korean people with "Jewish" which refers to Jewish people. If you really want to argue the semantics, just replace "Korea" with "Poland" wherever appropriate and now you're talking about a nation in both cases. Either way, it's still talking about a specific group of people, who each suffered atrocities at the hands of Germans and Japanese respectively just a few decades ago.

That's a direct attack on the morals of Koreans and has nothing to do with government. Elementary kids to be more specific. It's absolutely ridiculous to expect the government to step in and start lecturing: "Kids, please don't rape your classmates!", because it's against the law in the first place.

Anyways, I guess most Westerners won't understand the issue, because the Korean/Chinese/Jap conflict is so foreign to them, until it's actually related to them in more familiar terms like the Holocaust.

At least your blog title is accurate

Ecael

United States6703 Posts

May 04 2008 02:24 GMT

#92

Hm, there was a double post somehow earlier, I guess my flickery network did something, someone delete the latter post if possible please.

On May 04 2008 09:05 ._. wrote:

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On May 04 2008 07:32 Ecael wrote:

On May 03 2008 21:28 Jibba wrote:
Still doesn't explain why he'd post an obviously inflammatory article, that even he thought was inaccurate.

On May 03 2008 09:33 ._. wrote:
I'm wondering what haji intended to do with that thread though..I mean he knows there's alot of koreans on the forum and him being Japanese doesn't help, and he posted up sources in Japanese. Stir up a decent conversation? It would just be like..wow..wtf _insert random sc joke + korean thing metaphor..lolol.

TL is affiliated heavily with the Asian populance, the international nature of the site already placed it very far from a Chinese forum, say. If one were to post that kind of information on a Korean forum, then that'd be tactless. On TL? That is pretty normal far as I am concerned.

I suppose we simply have very different standards on the matter. To suggest that TL is more removed from the average Chinese than the average Korean feels off to me, even in spite of the primary objective of the site.

Discussion in general, then, is useless if we were to follow that logic. As little that one discusses in an internet forum will ever come to fruitation. Furthermore, those who refuse to be educated will stay as such. Only those willing to absorb new information will gain ground. That is the very point of a forum as a discussion ground. While the information may be inflammatory in nature, it wasn't something that people can't handle. There was an initial flurry of replies without reading, but once those are addressed there were other issues being brought up. As for how intellectually stimulating the matter is, again, it is pending on the individual in question. While you certainly don't think so, I felt that something could've come out of it and it simply wasn't allowed to carry to a conclusion.

EmeraldSparks

United States1451 Posts

May 04 2008 02:33 GMT

#93

I know:

The Japanese are really bad at fessing up to their crimes. This might have something to do with this.

I suspect:

I suspect that the underreporting of rape in Japan, due to cultural differences, may be extremely high (even when compared to the already extremely high rates of unreported rapes elsewhere in the world.)

Yeah, that's really all I have to say.

._.

1133 Posts

May 04 2008 03:46 GMT

#94

See the religion threads.
See the gun control threads.
See the drug control threads.
See the few abortion threads.
I think* there was even some ridiculous bruce lee would own in mma thread and went on for like 12434 pages. Not sure, was when I first started lurking in TL :> soooo long ago I think...

They're all well written, but its basically an intellect taking a shot at another guy's e-ego and often its a pack of wolfs hunting down some uneducated sheep. (And some annoying guy always being sarcastic, talking in caps and being an attention whore but I forgot his name..think he's banned now though.)

There is no clear conclusion in any of the threads and it ends abruptly when both parties simply lose interest and move on.
I think the general forum is kind of pointless, but I find some entertainment in it and just a way to read off some thoughts of others but I take them with a grain of salt. When it comes to educating oneself here, the sources are not from books or encyclopedia, they're just some guys on the computer with some free time.

Some discussion on topics are kind of fun to read too, but this particular rape topic..probably would get very messy. Considering many native Koreans are brought up on conservative values through education and culture and historically have had some antagonism about their past, and tl.net having a bit of history with some koreans lashing out a bit of nationalism, it was likely something would arise.

The whole dad raping the girl threads were closed because they would not really garner any depth nor great discussion, when it probably could have some. Surely, we'd throw in psychology, stockholm syndrome, "lol Austrians" "that's fucked up" etc for discussion, but it'd probably be a repeat of the latter. Nothing positive would come out of it, just a briefly scarred mind and a scratched forehead.

And I'm responding to you right now because this is a pretty fun discussion of the meaningfulness of posting on discussion threads as we are discussing right now, which I kind of find twisted in a way :<

Don't feel like posting anymore though, too long of a post..brain hurting..think I'll go to sleep tt

Ecael

United States6703 Posts

May 04 2008 04:43 GMT

#95

For some reason, I feel like those threads have an even more biased demographic to be found at TL than any thread that has to deal with nationalistic values, I suppose the generally liberal atomsphere that is the internets led to that point of view. That said, it is difficult to avoid having threads degenerate to an ego-stroking contest, especially when the nature of the thread shifts into the examination of more technical details.

It is a given though that such threads, included the one Haji came up with, would've ended abruptly either through a loss of interest or a series of concessions made. How much trouble it really would've stirred up discounting Baezzi, though, I cannot judge. I have lurked for a while and the Korean nationalistic sentiments did not feel particularly intense. Perhaps there were surges of such opinions during particular periods of time, but I must say I haven't kept up with TL long enough to see any.

Indeed, the general forum is rather pointless, it is a kind of mindless entertainment to be derived from obtaining random, often useless knowledge that even require one's own effort to double check. However, the fact that they are free discussions offer an intellectual value simply by them being such. The process of observation and obtaining additional perspectives, after all, is usually a fruitful endeavour. The controversial nature of that particular thread serves the purpose of really bringing into the spotlight the multitudes of views rather than the kind of responses that would've been yielded from the dad-raping-girl thread. In the latter, we can toss in all sorts of scientific explanations and theories, but ultimately fielding a pretty small sample of views. With the former, we will have a more heated discussion that may escalate faster, but such doesn't necessarily command a lack of respect and thought overall, as the thread on the actual announcement by Baezzi showed after a few pages.

The discussion of the meaningfulness of discussions and the enjoyment of such, lol, thinking along those lines does tend to give one headaches, I think I'll probably hit the sack myself

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 05 2008 04:51 GMT

#96

[QUOTE]On May 04 2008 09:10 teamsolid wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 04 2008 08:50 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:

[QUOTE]On May 04 2008 08:50 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 04 2008 06:45 teamsolid wrote:
[quote]On May 01 2008 00:13 [some German guy] wrote:
Sexual crimes including rape has been on a sharp rise among Jews in recent years. Perhaps the most shocking of them all surfaced today, where it was discovered that Jewish elementary school boys had been group raping underclassmen girls on a daily basis.

Source: [some German site]

...

Well the first part is unequivocally fucked up, and hopefully the Jewish people will try to remedy this situation which has clearly gotten out of hand (not just in this isolated case, but in general as well).[/quote]
I just replaced every instance of Korean with Jewish. I'm not Korean, but I can fully understand why any Korean (living in Korea) would be offended from reading that, coming from a Japanese person. It doesn't matter what you add next, the damage is already done.
[/QUOTE]

korea is a government, jewish is a people, theres a slight difference in it. Korea can do somethgn to try to prevent rape. Blaming the Jewish religion for rape and blaming the korean government are 2 very different things imo. A religion doesn't have much authority over that, especially compaired to a government.[/QUOTE]
That sounds like the CNN "apology"...

But no, this article is referring to Korean PEOPLE, similar to the Jewish people. I replaced "Korean", which refers to Korean people with "Jewish" which refers to Jewish people. If you really want to argue the semantics, just replace "Korea" with "Poland" wherever appropriate and now you're talking about a nation in both cases. Either way, it's still talking about a specific group of people, who each suffered atrocities at the hands of Germans and Japanese respectively just a few decades ago.

That's a direct attack on the morals of Koreans and has nothing to do with government. Elementary kids to be more specific. It's absolutely ridiculous to expect the government to step in and start lecturing: "Kids, please don't rape your classmates!", because it's against the law in the first place.

Anyways, I guess most Westerners won't understand the issue, because the Korean/Chinese/Jap conflict is so foreign to them, until it's actually related to them in more familiar terms like the Holocaust.

At least your blog title is accurate

[/QUOTE]

I was waiting for someone to crack the blog title is accurate joke for a while now.

Anyway, i didn't say i expect the korean government to lecture little kids, i mean i doubt ALL the rapes are being done by toddlers -_- But when you said replace jews with polish i consider that more legitimate for the reasons i stated, as to the CNN apology i have no idea what your talking about, i can assume its a reference to CNN apologizing to China, although i never heard the apology.

I'm not saying rape is like drugs and to give seminars, lectures, and to teach classes would stop it. That would be a stupid waste of money. Also i don't think their government can really be blamed for it, i beleive their culture has an impact on their mentality and the way they are socially leads to higher rape rates. If you watch the way clubs are in America it's practically everyone raping eachother atmosphere, from what i have heard (never experienced) koreans are more shy and i would summzie arguably more creative based on the culture/society of japan/korea vs USA.

I just think the fact that they have the issue of sex so pushed to the side and everything leads up to some pent up sexual agression, for lack of a better term. Like the SexSexPussyHair thing, everyone in the US would of overlooked that as retarded thing to say, less gross then retarded. Koreans were shocked for whatever reason i can't imagine. I mean having to keep all that bottled up i would imagine it creates a certain adam and eve forbidden fruit-ish thing.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 05 2008 04:52 GMT

#97

wow i messed up quotes again

micronesia

United States24678 Posts

May 05 2008 04:53 GMT

#98

On May 05 2008 13:52 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
wow i messed up quotes again

I know it's your blog, but this really didn't warrant a new post

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 05 2008 18:11 GMT

#99

On May 05 2008 13:53 micronesia wrote:

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I know it's your blog, but this really didn't warrant a new post

shh dont point out obvious.

Track

United States217 Posts

May 05 2008 20:10 GMT

#100

Seriously, how can you respect yourself with a screenname like LiNkInPaRrK2289?

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 05 2008 22:45 GMT

#101

LOL

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 06 2008 07:22 GMT

#102

On May 06 2008 05:10 Track wrote:
Seriously, how can you respect yourself with a screenname like LiNkInPaRrK2289?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WTIH MY SCREEN NAME?

YOU BITCH.

teamsolid

Canada3668 Posts

May 06 2008 13:56 GMT

#103

On May 06 2008 16:22 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:

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WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WTIH MY SCREEN NAME?

YOU BITCH.

A better question would be... what isn't wrong with it?

micronesia

United States24678 Posts

May 06 2008 15:09 GMT

#104

Well I think their music is decent, but not really my genre. Then again, naming yourself after a band with a random 4 digit number is something that could be made fun of.

statix

United States1760 Posts

May 06 2008 17:56 GMT

#105

micronesia

United States24678 Posts

May 06 2008 20:35 GMT

#106

^agree haha

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 07 2008 04:50 GMT

#107

On May 07 2008 00:09 micronesia wrote:
Well I think their music is decent, but not really my genre. Then again, naming yourself after a band with a random 4 digit number is something that could be made fun of.

.....Please, what else should my screen name be? Also it's not random digits, it's my birthday. November 22 1989. People just make a screen name out of something they like or relating to themselves, i liked linkin park a lot, and i still do. Their genre is really good, rock/rap Nu Metal is something i enjoy listening to and they got me into it. I just don't understand how my screen name justifies being made fun of becuase its a band.

Should i be SeXyNaKeDJoE696969 or HotnesS2289?
I just don't see where my screen name is something to be made fun of, jesus christ.

oh thought of another one, HOTSHOTJOE52, Why 52? Becuase i felt like it.
Please, share your manly screen names of manliness.

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