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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
February 25 2008 16:45 GMT
#1
This is probably harder then the last ones.

Four guys walk into an ice cream shop and buy an ice cream each. This costs them a total of $7.11.
The product of the ice creams prices are also 7.11.

How much did each ice cream cost?

Only post your own solutions.

Have fun!

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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
February 25 2008 16:47 GMT
#2
and yeah, dollars/cents are non-negative integers obviously
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Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-25 17:09:16
February 25 2008 17:05 GMT
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Hmm. One equation, 4 variables - there's obviously some sort of trick here. My instinct is that partial fractions need to be used here, but it's been so long since I've done basic calc I can't really work out how they would apply. I would also assume, intuitively, that at least one of the ice creams cost less than $1.

Wait, it's 3 equations - ugh, I need to not try to do math just after getting up 4 hours after the GSI finishes.
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-25 17:46:53
February 25 2008 17:42 GMT
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2 equations 4 variables, that means that there are infinite solutions
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-25 17:45:47
February 25 2008 17:43 GMT
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Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
February 25 2008 17:56 GMT
#6
On February 26 2008 02:42 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
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2 equations 4 variables, that means that there are infinite solutions


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Since the values cannot have precision smaller than 0.01, there aren't that many answers.

My train of thought is to break down the number into it's factors and see if something can be done from there to get an answer.

The prime factors of 711 are 3, 3, and 79. However, it's possible that we're working with a number one magnitude higher, like 7110, in which case the factors are 2,3,3,5,79.


Unfortunately, I have school, so I must postpone trying to solve this for now.
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-25 18:59:44
February 25 2008 18:53 GMT
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1.2
3.16
1.25
1.5

since we are using cents, we have to have solutions such that the numbers are some-what close to each other.

the cents make it so that we need factors of 300, 300, 79.

thus this gives us 2 2 2 2 3 3 5 5 5 5 79 to work with. thus, we combine these so that adding them up gives us 1 at the end. the hardest to work with is .79. we need a number that ends with .2 which is impossible here.
so we try to multiply it to make it bigger. we try 2* .79 which ends in a 8 which needs a 3 at the end, which is also impossible
thus we try 3*.79 which ends in a 7 which needs a 3 at the end which is impossible. thus we try 4*.79 which ends in a 6 which implies we need a 5 which is possible given our number mix.

the rest of the numbers follows easily. (u take out the 2 2 from the list and recompose the numbers to get dollar numbers)


fun problem to think about during lecture.
555, kthxbai
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
February 25 2008 19:05 GMT
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On February 26 2008 03:53 Zalfor wrote:
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1.2
3.16
1.25
1.5

since we are using cents, we have to have solutions such that the numbers are some-what close to each other.

the cents make it so that we need factors of 300, 300, 79.

thus this gives us 2 2 2 2 3 3 5 5 5 5 79 to work with. thus, we combine these so that adding them up gives us 1 at the end. the hardest to work with is .79. we need a number that ends with .2 which is impossible here.
so we try to multiply it to make it bigger. we try 2* .79 which ends in a 8 which needs a 3 at the end, which is also impossible
thus we try 3*.79 which ends in a 7 which needs a 3 at the end which is impossible. thus we try 4*.79 which ends in a 6 which implies we need a 5 which is possible given our number mix.

the rest of the numbers follows easily. (u take out the 2 2 from the list and recompose the numbers to get dollar numbers)


fun problem to think about during lecture.


haha you beat me by some minutes
congrats!

Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-25 19:35:20
February 25 2008 19:07 GMT
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On February 26 2008 03:53 Zalfor wrote:
the cents make it so that we need factors of 300, 300, 79.


I didn't get that part. Could you explain it?

I made two equations:
x+y+z+v = 711
xyzv = 711000000
factorizing 711000000 gives the following numbers:
2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 79
I was too lazy to work out how to combine them so the sum fits. But somehow your way seemed to make that a little easier. Or did you just use that they must be somewhat evenly distributed among the four variables? But how did you get to 300?
K, I guess apart from that it would have been easy to find the right combinations. Damn laziness. :D
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3983 Posts
February 25 2008 19:14 GMT
#10
All i know so far is that the ice cream company has ridiculous prices...but the problem is interesting, i'll think about it...
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
February 25 2008 19:31 GMT
#11
On February 26 2008 04:14 aseq wrote:
All i know so far is that the ice cream company has ridiculous prices...but the problem is interesting, i'll think about it...


Actually only one of the brands has. :D
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
February 25 2008 19:43 GMT
#12
Gj zalfor!

Asta: say x is the variable containing 79 say x=m*79, and by using the inequality of arithmetic and geometric means, you can deduce that m<5, and after that everything pretty much falls into place.
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