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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 27 2007 06:38 GMT
#21
Scout first, if going oldschool building shits in base, 1 gateway with fast forge + cannon follow up 1+ zlot.
If going newschool building shits outside base, 1 forge 2 cannon asap, use 4 probe to block entrance, 1 gateway before cannons for more blockage.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-27 06:49:29
December 27 2007 06:48 GMT
#22
god shut the fuck up. you are not entitled to an UNTOUCHED fast expand. just like protoss can 2 gate rush to pressure a zerg for 12 hatching at nat, a zerg can make speedlings to pressure a toss for fast expanding.

i thought the days of whiny protoss players were over. protoss is SO strong vs zerg right now.
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-27 07:11:05
December 27 2007 07:09 GMT
#23
I hate playing zvp more than pvz lately. Corsairs EVERYWHERE!!!! 12 REAVERS RUN!!!

haha people cheese alot on bnet as much as iccup maybe even more. Out of 5 games of iccup i got 5 pooled, dted, and reavered twice in 4 games. Didnt lose because of it though but it gets on your nerves. Only had a one straight up game so far. 3-2 right now. I like go 2 fact vult in all my tvp games now haha and 2 rax double or 2 rax aca double.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
December 27 2007 07:22 GMT
#24
Hahaha you're pissed because it owns FE
Make a lot of friends. Wear good clothes. Drink good beer. Love a nice girl.
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
December 27 2007 07:49 GMT
#25
On December 27 2007 14:38 Seraphim wrote:
And it's not like I know EXACTLY that they're using the build.

If I build two cannons aimlessly to protect myself, I'd be so far behind T_T


You can easily spend the extra 300 minerals "aimlessly" especially if they didn't take their 3rd base, this is just the price you pay for shitty scouting. 300 minerals is much better than getting beat 5 times straight to the same thing. Since you said you dont make zeals then you need those cannons because you are rush teching. Ofcourse you're going to lose if you skip defense, army and rush tech. Sairs are a very very good way of slowing a Zerg down and letting you catch up.
Nak Allstar.
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
December 27 2007 08:11 GMT
#26
On December 27 2007 15:48 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
god shut the fuck up. you are not entitled to an UNTOUCHED fast expand. just like protoss can 2 gate rush to pressure a zerg for 12 hatching at nat, a zerg can make speedlings to pressure a toss for fast expanding.

i thought the days of whiny protoss players were over. protoss is SO strong vs zerg right now.


Jesus Christ...just cause Bisu owns all the zergs in world doesn't mean PvZ has become incredibly easy. T_T

Of course I know it's my own skill deficiency that causes me these problems, but aren't I allowed to vent my frustration once in a while like everybody else? -__-
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
December 27 2007 08:18 GMT
#27
Ok, seriously...if I really wanted help, I would've put this in the strategy forum.

Not that I don't appreciate the helpful comments, but that's not what this blog's intent is.

Even if I successfully defend against the zerg, I would still be frustrated due to the fact that he even did the strategy. Just really annoys me.
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
December 27 2007 08:20 GMT
#28
its because 3 hatch ling < FE, if you cant defend it, then dont play. You're obviously doing a build b/c you saw how to do it, and copying. If you dont know the variations, and different lines of play to defend the zerg openings, then dont play. Its probably a skill issue, since ive defeated you with my zerg multiple times, and i dont even play zerg.
Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire.
BalloonFight
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States2007 Posts
December 27 2007 08:54 GMT
#29
Scout. Use probes to block cracks between buildings/cannons. Scout. If you need to bring 6-8 probes to block if lings come really early. Scout.



PS: Scout, you wont die if you scout relentlessly.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 27 2007 08:55 GMT
#30
Don't FE on maps you can't block completely, when you do FE get however many zealots/probes needed and BLOCK FFS. Also scout
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-27 09:25:26
December 27 2007 09:23 GMT
#31
Lumberjack, get the fuck out of my blog.

Don't even start talking about people's off-races owning people's main. Need I mention OneOther's terran 36-0'ed your main?

Yeah.

Gtfo and stfu.
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
December 27 2007 09:25 GMT
#32
I think people are confused with 9 pool speedling and 3 hatch speedling

Oh well.

Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-27 10:16:55
December 27 2007 10:05 GMT
#33
On December 27 2007 17:20 LumberJack wrote:
its because 3 hatch ling < FE, if you cant defend it, then dont play. You're obviously doing a build b/c you saw how to do it, and copying. If you dont know the variations, and different lines of play to defend the zerg openings, then dont play. Its probably a skill issue, since ive defeated you with my zerg multiple times, and i dont even play zerg.


You sound like a fucked-up little girl. Seriously, fuck you.

EDIT: Sera, we can do speedling all-in training like tonight (starting from 00.00 GMT).
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
December 27 2007 11:29 GMT
#34
just learn to defend it... ~~
if you do, your opponent will be the annoyed one
And all is illuminated.
Daranee
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
338 Posts
December 27 2007 11:34 GMT
#35
Sorry if your blog is intended towards me. I did speedling rush you once and I snuck 8 lings around your cannons. I can help you defend this if you want. Also, the builds I used against you do not put me at much of a disadvantage, especially if I get through. I can teach you how to understand when this build is coming and what to do in response. You can always ask me what to do in certain situations and I'll gladly help you.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
December 27 2007 12:25 GMT
#36
There's an alternative FE mechanism btw. You start with a forge regardless of scouting info. If you scout 12 pool, forge/nexus. For BOTH 12 hatch and 9 pool (and in case you don't find the zerg), forge/gate, cannon/zealot rush and FE vs the first and the latter, respectively.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
December 27 2007 14:23 GMT
#37
On December 27 2007 16:22 Quesadilla wrote:
Hahaha you're pissed because it owns FE

No. He's pissed that he might have to "aimlessly put 2 cannons down" [sic] to defend himself against it, in a FE. Fucking laughable.
Peace~
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 27 2007 15:33 GMT
#38
LOL I get pissed too if it makes you feel any better. But I get pissed cuz I miss the opportunity to kill the Zerg shit in a more creative way! Lings crashing against my Protoss fortress is boring zzzz
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
December 27 2007 16:48 GMT
#39
blocking your ramp helps against ling rushes
LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
December 27 2007 17:55 GMT
#40
On December 27 2007 18:23 Seraphim wrote:
Lumberjack, get the fuck out of my blog.

Don't even start talking about people's off-races owning people's main. Need I mention OneOther's terran 36-0'ed your main?

Yeah.

Gtfo and stfu.


its actually 1-3, but thanks for lying about it again : ) Maybe ill host our games sometime? Cause i actually have the replays ;P
Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire.
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