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On December 24 2007 21:28 ScoutWBF wrote:
TvP, I do my standart push and it fails a bit, expand once or twice?
TvT, FE every game or sometimes go 1fac tank, 1fac vult?
TvZ, what's more important: Micro or Macro?
TvP: If your push fails, you can never expand twice usually. But there's no rule to this, you just have to play off how you feel; If you want to push him harder and earlier, go for more facs -- if you think you're better than him in a long game, siege up and make him play your game. Just have to go with what you're more comfortable with. Again, there's no rules to anything, so don't get trapped in this kind of thinking... it's pointless.
TvT: Scout and respond. If you scout and they have a fac going up, marines building and 1 or no scvs on gas, you know they're 1 fac FE, so throw up another fac yourself (as long as they can't scout it), or throw up an expand quicker than them. Just make sure to scout and play off what you see. If you scout 1 fac plus full scvs on gas, you might consider bunkering with only 2 marines (same cost as 4, but safer vs vult rushes since you can't scout, as mentioned) and get an addon > tank, etc. So again, counter what you see, and if you see nothing just go with what you feel is best. There's some luck involved in all mirror matchup beginnings, but knowing how to scout can take part of it out of the mixture.
TvZ: More situations require macro over micro with terran, so macro (goes for tvt/tvp too).
A good thing to remember in all is to never be afraid to try new things. I know I used to get in ruts and just do the same shit 50 times in a row... it doesn't help at all. And most importantly, like I said in some other post above, try your fucking ass off everytime you play. Stuff will start to click eventually, sooner or later, but you have to push yourself or it will stay in the same state (this goes for speed, memorizing everything going on, etc).
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How do you keep cool when some Protoss uses 2offgates cannon rush? T_T
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On December 24 2007 22:06 asel wrote:
How do you keep cool when some Protoss uses 2offgates cannon rush? T_T
Post a replay or something and I'll take a look, but I can't imagine how that'd work if you play normally with a block. Zealot rushes in general (if you can't block) just require that you run and then attack when they try to kill SCVs, until you can get vultures out and use the patrol trick (while running the marines away).
I've never had anyone cannon rush me in fucking ages... not really useful if the terran plays normally I think. I'd have to see the game.
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Well i dont have the replay anymore but basically the p tries to come into your base with zeals so you have to build a bunker or defend with eco and then he builds a cannons in your base while hes defending them with zeals. As soon as he has the cans the vulture is basically worthless but tank with siege is quite slow T_t
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Did you ever get your mouse problems sorted out?
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
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On December 24 2007 20:21 Skew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2007 19:07 MaRiNe23 wrote:
Anyway my question is u played since 04 meaning you've only been playing for about 3 years. How did u get so good in such a short amount of time? I just need some sort of idea as to how top forgienrs did to become top foreigners becuz they wre all noobs like us at one point and hopefully i can use your answer as a guide to hopefully become decent.
And did u ever at any time jsut mass game from the moment u woke up all day over and over even when u were tired at the ladders like pgt or wgt? I couldn't explain all the things I'd like to in a single post (hopefully I'll get to write more about certain aspects that most don't understand/apply later on), but the main thing is to try harder than you've ever tried; When you've played 10 games, your stress level is about to knock you out, your hands hurt horribly from trying so hard to do everything and not quite doing it (or not even coming close), that you simply want to sleep, but you feel satisfied you gave it your fucking all -- I think in that situation you're on track to improve fast. But even with the above, there's a ton of other shit you have to make sure you're doing correctly before you start training, or you'll learn bad ways and have to work out of them which will waste time (hotkeys are a big one). The other most important thing I can say without writing a novel is to watch progamer replays of your race in fastest, and go play right after when you feel like you can play like that pro just did. It will get you to copy what you just saw, and in copying you'll learn great amounts. Anything above fastest isn't good enough. You just have to bear through the normal speed, and THINK about it, don't just watch it. Write things down that are important to you so you remember (there's science to this -- school teachers weren't lying..... entirely). And I never mass gamed at any time except for 06 when I was high up in some PGTour season. Only time I've ever played more than 20 games a week, but honestly it's not so bad because even if I had played 100 a week like some, most of the games are vs players below you, which isn't half as helpful.
Thank you for that Skew but on this last paragraph u say u've never mass gamed except for that one incident. So bascially what ur saying is giving it ur ALL 100% every single game rather than mass gaming and continue going even when ur tired and NOT at 100% is the better method right?
And that last sentence where u say(im using dashes for quotation marks becuz my quotation marks aren't working at the moment for some reason) -Only time I've ever played more than 20 games a week, but honestly it's not so bad because even if I had played 100 a week like some, most of the games are vs players below you, which isn't half as helpful- ur basically saying that it was better for u to play fewer people than just go all-in mass game becuz in the end most of them would've been very low skilled players.
But what i ask is what if those 20 that u played were also lower skilled and had u played 100 the LATER onces are the onces that could've been the gosus. You knwo what im saying? Then that brings to the final question in that how did u find the good players to play u?
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You say you only watch pro replays - are top foreigner replays ok, or do the replays need to be top-notch for learning?
Also, what did you mean by wasting time and hotkeys?
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Also, how do you analyze your own replays?
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how do you beat 14 cc tvt?
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How do you buy a life when starcraft is in your house, and you can't burn it?
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Canada7170 Posts
If you were gay, which TL member would you be gay for? O_O
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why did i see a pic of your giant 500$ wcg us finals 3rd place check in water?
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On December 25 2007 01:42 SonuvBob wrote:
Did you ever get your mouse problems sorted out?
I'm not sure, but I turned acceleration off... that's why I've been so fucking inactive. I'm still getting used to it. I think that different versions of windows (or hardware) interpret acceleration different, and so maybe that was the problem.
Hopefully without it, everything will be the same no matter where I go.
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On December 25 2007 02:58 Rekrul wrote:
why do you look like JT?
I'm lucky.
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On December 25 2007 03:25 MaRiNe23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2007 20:21 Skew wrote:On December 24 2007 19:07 MaRiNe23 wrote:
Anyway my question is u played since 04 meaning you've only been playing for about 3 years. How did u get so good in such a short amount of time? I just need some sort of idea as to how top forgienrs did to become top foreigners becuz they wre all noobs like us at one point and hopefully i can use your answer as a guide to hopefully become decent.
And did u ever at any time jsut mass game from the moment u woke up all day over and over even when u were tired at the ladders like pgt or wgt? I couldn't explain all the things I'd like to in a single post (hopefully I'll get to write more about certain aspects that most don't understand/apply later on), but the main thing is to try harder than you've ever tried; When you've played 10 games, your stress level is about to knock you out, your hands hurt horribly from trying so hard to do everything and not quite doing it (or not even coming close), that you simply want to sleep, but you feel satisfied you gave it your fucking all -- I think in that situation you're on track to improve fast. But even with the above, there's a ton of other shit you have to make sure you're doing correctly before you start training, or you'll learn bad ways and have to work out of them which will waste time (hotkeys are a big one). The other most important thing I can say without writing a novel is to watch progamer replays of your race in fastest, and go play right after when you feel like you can play like that pro just did. It will get you to copy what you just saw, and in copying you'll learn great amounts. Anything above fastest isn't good enough. You just have to bear through the normal speed, and THINK about it, don't just watch it. Write things down that are important to you so you remember (there's science to this -- school teachers weren't lying..... entirely). And I never mass gamed at any time except for 06 when I was high up in some PGTour season. Only time I've ever played more than 20 games a week, but honestly it's not so bad because even if I had played 100 a week like some, most of the games are vs players below you, which isn't half as helpful. Thank you for that Skew but on this last paragraph u say u've never mass gamed except for that one incident. So bascially what ur saying is giving it ur ALL 100% every single game rather than mass gaming and continue going even when ur tired and NOT at 100% is the better method right? And that last sentence where u say(im using dashes for quotation marks becuz my quotation marks aren't working at the moment for some reason) -Only time I've ever played more than 20 games a week, but honestly it's not so bad because even if I had played 100 a week like some, most of the games are vs players below you, which isn't half as helpful- ur basically saying that it was better for u to play fewer people than just go all-in mass game becuz in the end most of them would've been very low skilled players. But what i ask is what if those 20 that u played were also lower skilled and had u played 100 the LATER onces are the onces that could've been the gosus. You knwo what im saying? Then that brings to the final question in that how did u find the good players to play u?
Quality over quantity is really everything. Fewer games with max effort is far better. And of course playing people better than you is all you should ever be doing... if you aren't challenged and forced to adapt to different things, you never will. There are shitloads of "top foreigners" who have played a trillion games, but still can't even make unit rounds correctly, don't hotkey correctly and have no idea how to scout... this is just a result of playing a million 0-quality games and not pushing themself hard enough to learn in every game.
I don't know what you're asking in the last paragraph... you mean if you could play 100 games a day vs gosus, would it be helpful? It would be really good for muscle memory, but if you give it your absolute all in 10-15 games, I think it's good for a day. Really, anymore is just going to cause you to become really tired, probably irritated and not remember as well, but we all have differnet endurance levels so I don't really know. The important thing is, as always, that you are stressing yourself to do more and do it faster (and think about everything objectively while doing so) than you are currently capable.
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On December 25 2007 04:13 Seraphim wrote:
You say you only watch pro replays - are top foreigner replays ok, or do the replays need to be top-notch for learning?
Also, what did you mean by wasting time and hotkeys?
No, don't watch foreign replays for this purpose, always use progamer reps. Foreigners do shit without knowing why (me too)... so you might end up learning shit that is pointless or stupid. Progamers do everything for a reason, and in that respect you can copy without fear that you're doing something that has no point.
I dunno where I said anything about wasting time and hotkeys... and I type way too much shit to re-read it all. Give me the context please ;p
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On December 25 2007 04:37 IdrA wrote:
how do you beat 14 cc tvt?
Uhhhhhhhh, #1 you're XellOs and 8 rax, #2 you don't.
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On December 25 2007 06:12 YanGpaN wrote:
How do you buy a life when starcraft is in your house, and you can't burn it?
REINCARNATE
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On December 25 2007 06:21 mikeymoo wrote:
If you were gay, which TL member would you be gay for? O_O
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm -_-
Probably ret.
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