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RebelHeart
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
New Zealand722 Posts
September 24 2007 07:37 GMT
#1
OK well in response to my last post I had a look up on the internet for advice. I stumbled across a link saying: "How to know God", and I was like oh my gosh this is going to be a huge page, but was actually relatively surprised at how short it was, so I thought I'd repost it here. I got it from www.harvest.org (a crusade I went to last year):

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1. Realize that you are a sinner.
No matter how good a life we try to live, we still fall miserably short of being a good person. That is because we are all sinners. We all fall short of God’s desire for us to be holy. The Bible says, “No one is good—not even one” (Romans 3:10 NLT). This is because we cannot become who we are supposed to be without Jesus Christ.

2. Recognize that Jesus Christ died on the cross for you.
The Bible tells us, “But God showed His great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while were still sinners” (Romans 5:8 NLT). This is the Good News, that God loves us so much that He sent His only Son to die in our place when we least deserved it.

3. Repent of your sin.
The Bible tells us to “repent and be converted” (Acts 3:19 NKJV). The word repent means to change our direction in life. Instead of running from God, we can run toward Him.

4. Receive Jesus Christ into your life.
Becoming a Christian is not merely believing some creed or going to church on Sunday. It is having Christ Himself take residence in your life and heart. Jesus said, “Behold, I stand at the door (of your life) and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in . . . .” (Revelation 3:20 NKJV).

If you would like to have a relationship with Christ, simply pray this prayer and mean it in your heart.

Dear Lord Jesus, I know I am a sinner. I believe you died for my sins. Right now, I turn from my sins and open the door of my heart and life. I confess you as my personal Lord and Savior. Thank you for saving me. Amen.

If you just prayed that prayer and meant it, Jesus Christ has now taken residence in your heart! Your decision to follow Christ means God has forgiven you and that you will spend eternity in heaven. The Bible tells us, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1 NKJV).

- Greg Laurie


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"Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as you love yourself. If you do these things you're doing well" - Phil Joel
Lycaeus
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1420 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-24 07:42:54
September 24 2007 07:42 GMT
#2
You should really tone it down a bit with this religious agenda. Yea it's cool and all that you have faith and you want to share it, but seriously, you're coming off as a bit of an attention whore : )

Sorry tt;
RebelHeart
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
New Zealand722 Posts
September 24 2007 07:47 GMT
#3
Interesting that you have that perception of me. Well I just posted this topic because I felt like it was a waste to stumble across these four points and not repost them so that more people could see it.
"Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as you love yourself. If you do these things you're doing well" - Phil Joel
Cpt Obvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany3073 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-24 07:51:12
September 24 2007 07:50 GMT
#4
Yeah everyone who is not converting to Christianity and repenting their sins is a bad person...

Don't you even see the fatal flaw in that logical chain?

What is a sin in Christian terms might not be necessarily "bad" for others. Why would I repent for something I don't view as wrong? Why should I run to some imaginative father-figure to seek forgiveness when I did no wrong? And why should I accept these norms when they are, for all I know, made by men? According to your own beliefs, God himself is the only and final judgement of men. But you obviously failed to comply with his will a whole lot of times, even though you tried. So why listen to you guys???

What you actually advertise here is "It is ok if you do something wrong, just say a prayer and it's all good!" Yay, everybody wins, right?

No. Everyone is responsible for himself. There is no God. There is no divine forgiveness. If you must have faith, have faith in yourself. I remember reading a quote from a fisherman around here saying "It's ok to have faith in God, but you still have to row yourself."

And the whole idea of Jesus Christ is just horribly amusing.
I mean, imagine you create a little toy planet for yourself, and maybe for your son to play with. Now imagine that toy has a major malfunction. What would you do?
a) throw the toy in the trashbin
b) allow your only son to play with it and eventually die of electrical shock.

The bible is about as logical and reasonable to me as the idea of cutting my own legs off just so I don't have to walk anymore. It's ridiculous. All you people need to get your eyes opened. Because right now, you're blind.
Nobody ever reads signatures of people like me, do they?
Lycaeus
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1420 Posts
September 24 2007 07:51 GMT
#5
On September 24 2007 16:47 RebelHeart wrote:
Interesting that you have that perception of me. Well I just posted this topic because I felt like it was a waste to stumble across these four points and not repost them so that more people could see it.


Thats fine but you have to understand, those four points are nothing new, they have been out there have been the most cliché'd lines ever used by said religion.
Cpt Obvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany3073 Posts
September 24 2007 07:55 GMT
#6
Isn't almost every line used by them cliché'd after 2000 years?
Nobody ever reads signatures of people like me, do they?
Lycaeus
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1420 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-24 08:01:09
September 24 2007 08:00 GMT
#7
On September 24 2007 16:55 Cpt Obvious wrote:
Isn't almost every line used by them cliché'd after 2000 years?


Yea but at least now you won't have your head cut off in the name of God for voicing that concern!
RebelHeart
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
New Zealand722 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-24 08:52:18
September 24 2007 08:09 GMT
#8
Cpt Obvious: Jesus said that faith was not for those who are well, but only those who are sick. So I guess if you do feel like you're a good person and don't need God that's fine for you, but there are people in this world who do need God's forgiveness and have their lives changed as a result.

Examples:

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We wanted to share with you a few more testimonies from the Central Valley Harvest, so you know just how much your prayers and support helped:

* Lauren had been dealing with depression for four years after learning her father had been molesting her sister. She had an empty spot in her life that grew bigger when her boyfriend broke up with her, causing her to consider suicide. Lauren came forward, and said that the hole in her heart was finally filled the second she prayed to receive Christ.

* Leroy attended the first night of the Central Valley Harvest, but was put off by the praise and worship music, thinking it wasn't appropriate for Christians. He came back Sunday night and this time, his whole attitude was changed. At the invitation, he went forward to receive Christ and said he had never been so sure he had done the right thing in his life.

* Cecilia's father died in February, and she had been mad at God for taking him. Feeling lonely, she came to the Central Valley Harvest at the invitation of a friend. Cecelia responded to the message of hope and forgiveness through Jesus Christ.

* I grew up in the drug scene. I tried drugs when I was eight, and got really hooked by 12. My brother had become a Christian and was always telling me about Jesus. I didn't really want to hear it and I used to hide from him.

He invited me to the Harvest Crusade and I only came because he and his group brought along a pretty girl. I came late on my own and was trying to find them when the Holy Spirit spoke through Greg and kinda nailed me in the heart. I answered the call and gave my life over to Jesus.

I am now a youth pastor at Calvary Chapel Anaheim, and the pretty girl they brought to the crusade is now my lovely wife of 11 years. Praise the Lord!

—Steve Jewell


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By T. Suzanne Eller
(excerpted from Real Teens, Real Stories, Real Life)

The small church was crowded. All around me people worshiped a god that I didn’t believe existed. Why was I there? My neighbor asked me to come. To be honest, I thought they would leave me alone if I did.

I wasn’t sure what to expect. I had attended services with my family a few

me and mom

times, but it was more of a ritual or a way to celebrate holidays. What I hadn’t anticipated was the wetness pressed against my eyelids as I clenched them shut.

My motto? Never let them see you cry. I wasn’t about to break down in front of people I didn’t know. I wasn’t crying because I felt the presence of God or that I sensed his love for me. I fought tears because I was mad, so angry that I shook inside. How dare the preacher stand there and talk about the love of God. It was easy for him and people like him to spout off about a God who existed, who had a purpose for every person. Well, maybe their God had taken a personal interest in them but he didn’t live at my house.

The mother I am about to share with you is the not the mom I have now. You see, she had an encounter with God, and he brought her out of the darkness of emotional pain and healed her. In order to share my story, I have to share a little bit of hers as well.

My mom left home at 16 years old, pregnant and newly married to a boy who thought he was a man. She lost her first baby to cystic fibrosis when the toddler was less than two years old. She had her second child at 18 and left her husband at the age of 21. He came to visit her one night and forced her to have sex. She discovered two weeks later she was pregnant.

I was that baby.

Mom married a good man who loved her and the two little kids that came as a package deal. But in spite of this turn of events, my mom was fragile. Like stained glass, she was pretty on the outside, but the broken pieces of her life created the portrait.

Growing up, I never knew what to expect. Would it be the mom who brought home suckers to surprise us, or the woman who spouted horrific things as she ran out the door and threatened to kill herself? There was physical abuse and apologies. There were humiliating punishments, harsh words, and tearful requests for forgiveness.

Please don’t get me wrong. It wasn’t always bad in my home, but when it was it was loud and chaotic and frightening. I feared one day that my mom would pull the trigger or hurt herself. I hated the words that came out of her mouth when she was angry.

One day my mom chased me through the house, brandishing an umbrella as she screamed at me. I ran out the door and into the rain. I was wearing a T-shirt and jeans and no shoes. The cold rain pelted me as I ran down Latimer Street. I pushed through the wetness, pumping my arms as I ran as fast as I could. Finally I stopped, bending down to catch my breath as my tears meshed with the raindrops. I slowly turned around and walked home, sat on the curb, and wept until my throat closed.

I was stuck. I couldn’t run away. I had no money, no place to go. I was 13 years old. Where could I go?

I started smoking at the bus stop, pushing boundaries with my teachers, and drinking with my best friend. My attempts to be tough must have appeared hilarious to others. I was skinny to a fault and looked younger than my age. Being tough didn’t come natural. My heart was gentle and I hated conflict and fighting, yet every single time I let my guard down someone hurt me.

Angry words all sharp and pointy, a knife in my soul.

That’s when the hardness crept in. Never let them see you cry. Never give them a chance to know you care.

One day it all came to a head. My mom pulled us around her in her bedroom. She put a gun to her head and threatened to shoot herself. I was scared, but not because I thought she would die, but because under my breath I whispered, “just do it”.

Who was this person I was becoming?

Two years later I stood in the little church. The pastor sang, strumming on the guitar as people knelt at the altar. “He loves you,” he said. “He has a plan for your life.”

Yeah, right. I pointed my chin at the sky, my eyes closed, and I challenged this God of which he spoke. “If you are real,” I whispered, “and I don’t believe you are, but if you exist and you know me and you love me like he says, I need to know.”

I expected nothing, yet I received everything as a tender touch reached past my hardened heart. I’ve had trouble explaining this moment to people over the years. “Did you see God?” No. “Did you feel God’s presence?” Yes, but so subtle and deep inside of me, touching areas that I had closed long ago to anybody, that I knew it was God.

Tears broke and streamed down my cheeks and for the first time in a long time I wept. I felt as if He had wrapped me in a warm blanket, enclosing me in his love. I stumbled from the church. I ran home and told my mom that I had just got “saved”, though I really didn’t understand what had occurred.

Did everything magically change? No. My circumstances were still the same, but everything was different on the inside of me.

I made mistakes, huge blunders as I tried to learn what it meant to follow Jesus as my Savior. I wasn’t perfect, but I understood his love. I knew I wanted to know more. The people of that little church ministered to me in ways they will never understand. There were times I wept at the altar and then went home to chaos. There were times I fell in my walk with Christ and their gentle encouragement helped me to keep going.

It is amazing what can happen when God restores a broken life. It can be beautiful like the portrait that my mom is now, the shattered pieces of her life assembled together in a beautiful picture of God’s mercy.

Today I am a mom, an author, a speaker, and a wife. I have the opportunity to minister to teens and women across the world, sharing the story of my life and the beauty of purpose and the fact that God loved us from the beginning. My mother and father were saved when I was in my junior year of high school.

I found a note from my dad under my pillow one day. I still carry it with me, the tattered pieces a reminder of what God has done. My quiet father, who very rarely shared the depth of his emotions, said in that letter, “I have watched you and I see that you have something that is of great worth, a treasure. I know that it is real and I admire you for your faith and your love for God.”

We have never spoken of that letter, but it came at a time when I prayed for a sign. “God, show me that you hear my prayers. Heal my family. Let me know that you are listening.” The folded piece of paper under my pillow was heaven sent and priceless.

For years my mom and I have been best of friends. She is compassionate, loving, and whole, and the memories of our past are forgiven and forgotten.

Today I am still running after the same God that touched my life when I was 15. I always tell my audiences that one day I’ll be an old woman running after God with my walker. You see, he’s done a million things for me. He’s been with me through difficult times, but my love for him will always be wrapped around that first moment when he reached down to an angry, hurting, skinny 15-year old teenager and silently whispered that he loved me.

I still can’t help but whisper back, “I love you too”.

- www.daretobelieve.org


Lycaeus: OK well that's cool if you think they're cliched, I actually never really thought about it in such simple terms, like if someone asked me to explain Christianity to them briefly I'd probably focus more on its values of loving your neighbour and then explaining the story of Acts instead of talking about Jesus' death (it's probably an American thing 'cos you get all the crusades and tent revivals etc).

I would dispute being an attention whore though, because I note that when I post a thread entitled 'Masturbation' or 'Homosexuality' I get over 1000 views but when I post something like "A Good Talk" or "Lost In Translation" it's about 50. If I wanted to be an attention whore I'd probably make a topic title like 'Pornography' or 'Swearing' rather than "How to know God", which will obviously not get many visitors besides the Christians on TL.

By the way, to save making a new post - how not to become a Christian:
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You cannot be a Christian simply by being born into a Christian family. I'm amazed at how some people, when asked how they know they are Christians, will answer, "Because I think my grandfather was," or, "Because my mother is a Christian." It's as though they believe their family somehow has Christian "genes." Having Christian parents is a great privilege. It's a wonderful thing to be raised with biblical values and to develop a Christian worldview. But you still must personally believe in Jesus. You cannot live off the faith of the family.

You cannot make yourself a Christian by your own will. Not only does faith have nothing to do with your family background, it has nothing to do with desire. You can't just say, "From this moment on, I am a Christian!" Becoming a Christian involves putting your trust in God. God is the one who saves you, not yourself. It would be like a drowning person trying to save himself or herself. Becoming a Christian involves turning away from sin and trusting Jesus and Jesus alone for your salvation. It involves saying "yes" to God's invitation to change your heart.

You cannot become a Christian by compulsion. No one in the world can make you a Christian. No minister or priest can make you a Christian by mere baptism or a sacrament. You cannot be reborn through a ceremony, or by reading a creed, or by standing up or sitting down, or by going forward, or by kneeling at a bench. None of these things, in and of themselves, will make you a Christian.
"Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as you love yourself. If you do these things you're doing well" - Phil Joel
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
September 24 2007 08:25 GMT
#9
One moment you think having sex at age 12 is okay and the next you're trying to convert people to christianity.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Lycaeus
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1420 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-24 08:29:09
September 24 2007 08:26 GMT
#10
Last thing I wanted to mention, those examples you used up there had to have been the worst ones out of a whole truck load you could of used for sympathy and just cause for your e-radical movement.

Example 1: Lauren is an asshole and shouldn't have God on her side for being so selfish as to think the world revolves around her and her depression. Her sister is the one dealing with some huge situation that will alter / scar her emotionally for life. She doesn't need a self wallowing sister but a caring consoling sibling. By praying all she did was try to excuse her own selfishness into something intangible.

Example 2: Makes absolutely no sense, Leroy apparently is trying to "fit" in with the crowd to the point that his subconcious is trying to excuse what the logical part of his brain is telling him. Which is not to be taken away by the "praise and worship music". If this is the kind of person I want worshiping me, I could do without.

Example 3: Cecilia had her reasons to try to find Christ, she obviously couldn't handle life without a "father" figure type but she isn't at fault. Tragedies like that are unavoidable.

Example 4: Praise the lord, my heroin and cocaine addiction is going to be excused because "I've found god". He didn't find god, he found other people's lives so ideal that he chose to go their path because of his inability to actually do something for himself.

I want one example of a sane, non druggie, non accident prone, individual with a logical and clear mind "suddenly" finding God, or Christ.
RebelHeart
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
New Zealand722 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-24 08:53:39
September 24 2007 08:40 GMT
#11
OK well here's my old Economics lecturer's testimony:

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Why is it that some people desperately need to know whether God exists, while others could care less? For me, it was an intensely personal thing. I was an emotional wreck. For as long as I could remember, my life was characterized by tremendous anxiety and fear. Why was I so anxious and fearful? Who knows. I guess some people are just born that way. Anyway, ever since I could remember, that's just how things had always been for me.

During my junior year in college, my personal struggles came to a head. I knew that I could not go on living as I had. And yet, I also couldn't see any way out of my problems. Because my problem was me! The only solution seemed to lie in being changed--yet I was incapable of changing who I was. I concluded that if there was any solution for my problem, it would have to come from outside of myself.

And so I began my spiritual journey. I took up Transcendental Meditation. I read books on other religions. I wasn't particularly disposed towards Christianity, even though that was my family's religious tradition. After all, if there was a God, He (or She, or It, or Them) would be the God of all nations and peoples. The "accident" of my own birth circumstances shouldn't influence my search for the existence and true identity of God. I had met enough hypocrites who called themselves Christians that--if anything--Christianity was relatively discredited in my eyes.

It didn't take long, however, for me to conclude that IF there was a God out there, it had to be the Christian God. In terms of historical evidences, consistency and reliability of the religion's sacred writings, Christianity was head and shoulders above all other religions. Nevertheless, there was still a pretty big IF preceding that conclusion.

To make a long story short, after a period of searching that lasted approximately two years, I came to the conclusion that God existed and that He was the Christian God testified to by the Bible--the Three- In-One-God of God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. I accepted the Bible's teaching that I was a sinner in need of a savior. So I bent my knee and prayed to God. In that prayer I acknowledged my need and thanked Him for His solution for my problem: forgiveness for my sins and a new nature through Jesus Christ. And that is how I became a Christian. Did becoming a Christian solve my problems? Yes it did. Not overnight. But God completely transformed my life, as He promised in the Bible.

I want to address one last point. Maybe you're thinking that here's another story of some loser who needed a crutch to get him through life. Well, you're right. I was a needy guy who needed a crutch. And maybe that made me more desperate to imagine a God who really wasn't there. I can certainly understand the skepticism of one who would think that. On the other hand, I ask you to consider this: it is the sick and the afflicted who are often in the best position to testify of the skill of the physician. I've identified two books below that I think do well in answering the questions of the skeptic. I encourage you to check them out. The questions of whether God exists, what He is like, and what He wants from us, are questions of truth. In Chapter 8, Verses 31 and 32 of the Book of John (in the Bible), it says, "To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, 'If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.'" I have found these words to be true.

FURTHER READING:

Josh McDowell. More Than a Carpenter. Wheaton, Illinois: Tyndale House Publishers, 1977.

C.S. Lewis. Mere Christianity. New York: MacMillan Publishing Company, 1952.


Anyhow, re-emphasising the point I made above when responding to Cpt Obvious:

Mark 2:13 Once again Jesus went out beside the lake. A large crowd came to him, and he began to teach them. 14 As he walked along, he saw Levi son of Alphaeus sitting at the tax collector's booth. "Follow me," Jesus told him, and Levi got up and followed him.

15 While Jesus was having dinner at Levi's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the "sinners" and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"

17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

PS. I used those examples as they happened to be the ones from the Harvest Crusade page, which I got the OP from. I edited that post and added another more detailed example - just 'cos they're crappy life stories doesn't make them any less Christian than ones of people who were raised in Christian families.
"Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as you love yourself. If you do these things you're doing well" - Phil Joel
Lycaeus
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1420 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-24 08:56:40
September 24 2007 08:55 GMT
#12
I'm sorry Rebel, I really don't want to argue with you any further, because people like you (not a insult, just a statement) who have these beliefs won't ever be changed by what I or any other person would say. You want to know why? Because we were never there when you had your emotional breakdown, or when you had your life turned upside and were lost.

God, and Christ is your savior because they apparently gave you meaning to a life that was spiraling downwards. I understand that; I also understand we all need something to believe in. But to flat out proclaim that God existed and that he was Christian is a slap in the face to everyone elses beliefs.

http://www.serfes.org/spiritual/November2003.htm

This is a great article on Christians who need to practice more humility in their beliefs. Read it and please take it to heart. Rather than enlightened, you're coming off barbaric in views.

“Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for ‘God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.’ Therefore, humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.” - St. Paul
RebelHeart
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
New Zealand722 Posts
September 24 2007 09:05 GMT
#13
Cheers.
"Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as you love yourself. If you do these things you're doing well" - Phil Joel
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 24 2007 12:26 GMT
#14
i dunno man. all this stuff seem very loose. .
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
September 24 2007 14:03 GMT
#15
If god was all powerful and all mighty + He wanted us to believe in him and follow him = He would do something about it.

He could win over the entire human race with ease.

Seeing he hasnt done something about it, and that the human race does not universally believe in god. He either is not all powerful, doesnt want us to belive in him, or doesnt exist. Simple logic.
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
September 24 2007 14:11 GMT
#16
Oh dear.

This blog is so full of religious nonsense that it's sad.

I'm seriously going to start some kind of counter blog.

voted 2 for effort or whatever
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Cpt Obvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany3073 Posts
September 24 2007 15:02 GMT
#17
Lycaeus made some good points. Faith in God in itself is not wrong at all, if that gives you strenght and hope and perspective, that's perfectly fine.

What he was saying, and I agree, is that many many many people use religion and God as a general excuse for their own fucking failures. I know I suck at studying because I am lazy. I know I am not the person with the best social skills out there, and I fucking blow at BroodWar. But what do I do?

I learn, I go out, I practice. I don't pray to some imaginative person that might exist as well as not, and hope for some divine intervention that's gonna make it all easy as pie for me. Life is tough, get over it, there is nobody to help you but yourself and maybe your family. That's it. Again, faith is ok, but row for yourself.
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Cpt Obvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany3073 Posts
September 24 2007 15:04 GMT
#18
On September 24 2007 23:03 Fen wrote:
If god was all powerful and all mighty + He wanted us to believe in him and follow him = He would do something about it.

He could win over the entire human race with ease.

Seeing he hasnt done something about it, and that the human race does not universally believe in god. He either is not all powerful, doesnt want us to belive in him, or doesnt exist. Simple logic.


Wrong. Even the Christians state that God gave humans free will and does not wish to interfere with that. That's why Humans can choose to believe, or not.
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
September 24 2007 16:34 GMT
#19
I'm so confused.

Are you a Christian or not?

You used to state that you weren't, then you post a bunch of threads about hypocirsy or whatever, then something to do with jerking it, and now this?

At least pick a side.
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nortydog
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia3067 Posts
September 24 2007 16:59 GMT
#20
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