status of C19 related the way the state voted - Page 2

On September 25 2020 00:10 AttackZerg wrote:
To Nettles

What a horse shit mentality.

"200k means nothing"

Fear mongering?

You cowards are so scared you invented a fake reality to live in were Corona isn't a big deal.

On September 25 2020 09:50 JimmiC wrote:
There are members of both parties listening to science. Trump is not.

There was a estimated death toll in the millions if nothing was done. Which was argued everywhere including on this site where random maximums were stated like fact.

The US is not doing a good job compared other countries of similar wealth albeit lesser wealth.

The media in the states is at fault but Trump politized this thing and continues to. The US made a huge mistake when they allowed partisan news and they continue to pay a huge price for it.

On September 25 2020 00:10 JimmiC wrote:

I am under the conception that because of the long term damage that the virus to people of all ages having as few people get it as possible is the best outcome. That being said I'm not a "lockdowner" (not even sure what that is to be honest) and my kid goes to school right now, albeit with social distancing and mask protocols. In my city and county we currently have 7 active cases, 1 hospitalization. Every business is open, my kid goes to hockey. The only limits are on sizes of gatherings and there is a mask rule in the biggest city I'm near, but not in my town. Our community spread is less than 1 per 100,000 and has been fluctuating under 5, minus little pockets (when a community has 20000 people and 5 people get it the per 100000 looks scary) for months. This is the possible and Texas is in the 10-24 per 100,000 currently (on the high side overall but it is community dependent,

My methodology was current new cases and I used NPR as a source. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s

I looked into the different peaks and curves and Texas along with all the other places on the orange and red scale that have hit later, have also kept them much much longer than the ones who are performing well. The real advantage they do have is in deaths where care has improved so much that people are dying at lower rates. Sadly as far as long term damage goes we have been only slightly better at mitigating it.

I can't find any doctor or medical source that says the "virus has run its course" this seems like a very loaded politized message, if you can point me in that direction it would be great. When I look at the numbers that Texas is producing they are telling me the opposite to what you are. It was getting better but now it is again getting much worse. If this virus operated like a fire as you suggest a way higher % of people over all would have had it so that there would not be new people to get it (no more trees to burn), this has simply not happened.

Average new cases per day in Texas
Three weeks ago 4,458
two weeks ago 3,664
1 week ago 4,187
Currently 6,587

It is heading in the wrong direction and likely because the politicized message you and many others are receiving is simply not accurate. When people hear it is over or past they behave in ways that make things worse and the really bad part is how much harder it is to bring them down rather than up. None of the data suggests "the virus has run its course", who is telling you this? Can you quote it so I can look into it?

I think it is very challenging to be a American in this time because EVERYTHING is becoming a political issue and "facts" are being used that are not by definition facts. Up here in Canada our score card is very different. The conservative governments have not ignored medical advice or facts. We have two premiers who are often compared to Trump, both provinces have have preformed as well as the ones run by other governments. Federally the leader of the opposition has argued about many things as normally happens, but not on medical advice, all 4 major parties have listened to the top doctors and made rules based on that. Interestingly enough our most Trump like politician, Doug Ford who runs our biggest most populous province and main campaign promise was "buck a beer" is currently suggesting he may need to do targeted lock downs if people do not start behaving better and reducing the spread.

I do think it is way more challenging in the US than Canada for these reasons, there is a expectation that especially on important matters such as health or in Crisis that our politicians put their egos away and do what is best. Well I think one side has done better, I think that is only because the other side picked wrong. Right now in the states what Blue and Red think about any issue seems to be most determined by what the other one thinks and we think the opposite.

It is hard to find unpoliticized info on the US, which is scary in so many ways. News should be facts presented and if there are two sides they should be both covered. You guys are not getting that as a people and it is leading to incredible division and some really objectively bad decisions and outcomes.


This is a pretty powerful story and I'm going to link multiple sources as one is CNN and I know that republicans treat it as Dems treat fox. But the person I'll be quoting is a CEO from a hospital in Kentucky. It does not say his political affiliation, as it shouldn't, but I think you would agree that if you were betting a CEO in Kentucky is far more likely to vote Republican.







“Our infectious disease specialists and other medical professionals are very concerned at how quickly and widely COVID-19 is spreading locally,” Whitlatch wrote in a Facebook post Friday. “Not in some big city but our hometowns.”


https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article245893935.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22/us/kentucky-hospital-kings-daughters-covid-trnd/index.html

Don't believe what the Republicans say, Don't believe what the Democrat's say, Believe what the doctors say. Unlike the previous to groups they actually have your communities best interest at heart.

On September 25 2020 22:52 JimmiC wrote:
Covid response and continued double talk about it are of course going to hurt Trump. Well many Trumpers like to point to the death of.old people as a reason the virus is not that bad, are they unaware that Trumps voters tend to be old? They are more likely to have had a bad experience or know someone who has died, not to mention hearing them dying is ok is not a great motivator.

Of course Biden hasow crowds, this is what doctors and his supporters want, lol.

None of that about mail in ballots is true, feel free to try to find a source.

The debates are coming up, I think like every time Biden has spoke he will do quite well.

Is it at all concerning to you that your whole world view is stuff you or other people just made up?

On September 25 2020 06:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:

94% had pre existing conditions, only 6% died due to corona (CDC).40% of deaths were in nursing homes.

The real catastrophe will be the loss of businesses, homes, the mental health epidemic caused by lockdowns and the financial situation.All lead to a spike in suicide.Thats the true disaster here and I've been saying that since day one.

On September 26 2020 10:06 JimmiC wrote:
What is the average age of someone who dies from cancer? If we could stop it through masks and social distancing for a year until a vaccine came out you would think this was a bad idea?

Trump drew a much smaller crowd to his inauguration than Obama, I've found it is votes that matter not car parade sides.

Pennsylvania
The Democrats have an approximate 783,000 advantage in voter registration in the state. However, the margin is down from a 936,000 lead in 2016, when Trump carried the commonwealth.

The GOP’s gain in North Carolina is even larger than in Pennsylvania.
In 2016, the Democrats held about a 646,000 registered-voter lead, according to statistics provided to The Western Journal by the Republican National Committee.
That lead has dropped 216,000 to a 430,000-voter lead.

In Florida in 2016, Trump won by a little over a percentage point despite the Democrats having a 335,000-voter-registration lead at the time, the RNC determined.

That advantage has fallen to approximately 250,000.

Did you watch your video? It is not even about mail in ballots. It is about paper ballots compared to their machines and then the person brings out a study that shows hes wrong.

Pelosi taking a shot about Trumps honesty and mentioning the a possible impeachment before a big debate.... OMG WHAT?!?!?!? lol

The last time you guys really pushed the Biden senile story Biden gave a speech and went way up because he blew the very low expectations out of the water. Maybe it will work out better this time, I doubt it.

How could the US excess mortality from COVID-19 be roughly 250,000 if only 6% of 200000 (12000) died from COVID-19?. Also, the 6% you are talking about is the percentage of those who died without co-morbidities (basically healthy people). Unfortunately, almost half the US population has common co-morbidities like heart disease, COPD, asthma, cancer, hypertension, diabetes and etc that worsen COVID-19 outcomes so there is hardly any solace to be found from your figures anyway.