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On September 23 2020 11:19 JimmiC wrote: I made this a blog because it seemed too political for the Covid thread and too much Covid for the politics thread. I was wondering how States were preforming currently managing the spread of Covid-19 right now. And comparing that to who they voted for in 2016. My hypothesis was that, given by now the timing of Covid coming over has normalized and states would have had time to institute whatever localized program they felt was best, states who had a lot of Trump supporters would be having more new cases per 100,000 because those supporters would be less likely to wear masks, social distance or other measures stated by public health since they were getting conflicting advice from the president they voted for. This group of people would exist across the country in all states but smaller percentages where Hilary recieved more. For the cases per 100,000 I used this interactive map from NPR as well as their color coding described their (blue great, yellow good, orange bad, red real bad (actual descriptions in link)) https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s The results were pretty shocking. For States that voted Trump in 2016 as of today they were preforming Blue = 0% Yellow = 10% Orange = 67% Red = 23% For States who voted Hilary in 2016 they were preforming Blue = 5% Yellow = 65% Orange = 30% Red = 0% This is a very pronounced and dramatic difference. It could also "worse" than the numbers suggest as you would think people who fall in the non believer category would also be less likely to get tested. But even if we just go with what we have, states who voted Hilary are managing the spread WAY better than states that voted for Trump. not my opinion but a conservative would probably say something like "the blue states got it first so they had more time to get it together, so to speak." | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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Yes Trump supporters are less likely to follow basic health measures. And yes Republican governors have been on average more reluctant to impose measures such as mandatory mask policies. However blue states also had larger outbreaks earlier in the year which may result in people there being more cautious, and some proportion of the population being immune. Additionally red and blue states both have predominantly blue cities and red rural areas, with the cities also being hit hard earlier in the pandemic than the redder less dense rural areas. And the weather also seems to have a sizeable effect on the behaviour of people and accordingly the spread of covid which means that during summer heatwaves in the South where everyone stays inside for AC we saw cases surge across the South including California. And it's not as though Trump supporters will act all that differently based on if they live in a red, blue or purple state. So this is all rather dubious methodologically. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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And social norming won't always work in your favour in blue states, since many Trump supporters almost by definition live in very red counties where they will see people not wear masks. Additionally the dynamics of how a virus spreads in urban and rural settings, and your categorization of red and blue states based on the 2016 election are not nearly as straightforward as you seem to think they are. Like Wisconsin has a Democratic governor, but still has one of the worst outbreaks of the country currently. And many of the heavily affected states like Arizona or Florida are purple states more than anything else (albeit with Republican governors). Confirmation bias is precisely the definition of what you're doing. You're assuming that because Trump supporters engage in 'worse' behaviour vis a vis the pandemic that it means red states will do worse overall than blue states. It's a reasonable assumption in of itself (though throwing things into the bucket of red states and blue states is probably not a great way to look at things), but just looking at which states have the worst outbreaks today and calling that 'evidence' is faulty reasoning. | ||
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I'm arguing that the evidence you've presented does not adequately establish a causal relationship between red states and the severity of the outbreak there, and that other factors such as the severity of previous outbreaks in those states/counties have to be accounted for, and aren't accounted for by a snapshot of how things are going right now. | ||
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Older people have a shorter life expectancy than younger people (source: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html ). Hence voting Trump means you die faster. (corollary: voting Trump means you die faster of Covid) | ||
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We have States that have designed social services to fail. In Florida, they literally had to work against their own Unemployment system to get it to work. Texas did a partial closure for less then 30 days and declared a victory on May 1st (?pretty sure?) The President publicly undermined public health measures, leading directly to the stupidest movement in modern politics and life. Anti-maskers. A rally in a Trump state killed the only black GOP presidential candidate of note in a generation , and they don't give a shit. It is really, really sad. I really wish we could just be good neighbors and beat this shit. Sorry I don't have anything smart or not obvious to say. Just a real bummer to be part of the largest failure in modern medical history. Meanwhile Vietnam and Korea's citizens .... get to be ... not dead. | ||
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On September 24 2020 11:11 blade55555 wrote: lmao, man you leftists really reach out to make yourselves look better when the facts show differently. We are the only rich country to fail. The only one. Who has lead our national response? Mr. Liberate Michigan? Mr. Gay conversation therapy? If you wish to be tribal and binary. We are a Trump nation and have done worse than every non-Trump nation. Infact, having Trump has President looks more and more like a pre-existing condition of failure than poverty. (Sorry for responding to a shit post in your blog) | ||
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I don't know of any other population in history rooting against their collective success. | ||
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Jerubaal
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I couldn't quite follow the methodology, but it seemed like your rating was based on how the states are doing right now, not how did they do since March. That seems pretty unfair because different states got hit at different times. Texas didn't well and truly get an outbreak until mid-July, and the numbers are rapidly declining as we speak. Again, the virus runs its course. On another note, I'm from that area that the article talks about, and it's basically the Mos Eisley Cantina of Texas. I would complain about corruption if the incompetence wasn't so overwhelming. Back in March, when the Covid cases were in the dozens, the tinpot dictators creamed themselves taking as much power as they could, enacting such heroic efforts as ripping up concrete park tables. It's also probably one of the worst places for obesity and diabetes in the country if not the world. I also didn't hear anything about restricting border traffic, which was having its own outbreak at the same time. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
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On September 23 2020 15:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Many states have passed New York in cases per capita, but New York is still number 2 in deaths per capita (with fellow blue states New Jersey being 1st and Massachusetts being 3rd), so you're just wrong there. Legit /endthread but people seem to have moved on from actual deaths to cases.Even though with the massive uptick in cases and still far fewer deaths (partly due to democrat governers no longer sending COVID positive old folks back to nursing homes, partly due to more testing and possible mutation of virus into weaker form) the death rate per x cases for COVID continues to decline. Although ill say if Covid-19 had killed 200 million Americans like Joe Biden seems to think it has maybe I wouldn't see this thread as blatant fearmongering... | ||
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What a horse shit mentality. "200k means nothing" Fear mongering? You cowards are so scared you invented a fake reality to live in were Corona isn't a big deal. | ||
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On September 25 2020 00:10 AttackZerg wrote: To Nettles What a horse shit mentality. "200k means nothing" Fear mongering? You cowards are so scared you invented a fake reality to live in were Corona isn't a big deal. 94% had pre existing conditions, only 6% died due to corona (CDC).40% of deaths were in nursing homes. The real catastrophe will be the loss of businesses, homes, the mental health epidemic caused by lockdowns and the financial situation.All lead to a spike in suicide.Thats the true disaster here and I've been saying that since day one. | ||
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Both sides (democrats and republicans) are listening to science, just different sides since doctors can't even agree on what the correct course of action should be. We still know very little about the virus. Just do what you think is right to protect yourselves. Don't rely on the government to do it for you. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
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On September 25 2020 09:50 JimmiC wrote: There are members of both parties listening to science. Trump is not. There was a estimated death toll in the millions if nothing was done. Which was argued everywhere including on this site where random maximums were stated like fact. The US is not doing a good job compared other countries of similar wealth albeit lesser wealth. The media in the states is at fault but Trump politized this thing and continues to. The US made a huge mistake when they allowed partisan news and they continue to pay a huge price for it. The predictions back in March for the US for 200,000 up to 2,000,000 deaths, USA is currently at the very low end of that scale. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8124327/Two-million-die-coronavirus-did-social-distancing-cut-that.html Fact is there are millions more people that have had COVID in USA but were never tested, asymptomatic, heck due to the system over there they may have known they were ill but kept working because they couldn't afford the time off.Truth is this illness is nowhere near as deadly as people thought it was back in Jan-Feb when those videos of China welding apartment doors shut were floating around the web. Democrats are wanting to make it seem worse than it is however due to the election.Biden regularly calling it a day at 9AM 6 weeks from the election after hiding in his basement for the past 6 months.Social distancing and crowd restriction rules are helping hide the fact that Biden has zero crowds, zero enthusiasm and can coast through on virtual/online appearances where he can read scripts off a teleprompter.The virus also makes it easier to pass large scale mass mail in ballot laws that make voter fraud far easier. | ||
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On September 25 2020 00:10 JimmiC wrote: I am under the conception that because of the long term damage that the virus to people of all ages having as few people get it as possible is the best outcome. That being said I'm not a "lockdowner" (not even sure what that is to be honest) and my kid goes to school right now, albeit with social distancing and mask protocols. In my city and county we currently have 7 active cases, 1 hospitalization. Every business is open, my kid goes to hockey. The only limits are on sizes of gatherings and there is a mask rule in the biggest city I'm near, but not in my town. Our community spread is less than 1 per 100,000 and has been fluctuating under 5, minus little pockets (when a community has 20000 people and 5 people get it the per 100000 looks scary) for months. This is the possible and Texas is in the 10-24 per 100,000 currently (on the high side overall but it is community dependent, My methodology was current new cases and I used NPR as a source. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s I looked into the different peaks and curves and Texas along with all the other places on the orange and red scale that have hit later, have also kept them much much longer than the ones who are performing well. The real advantage they do have is in deaths where care has improved so much that people are dying at lower rates. Sadly as far as long term damage goes we have been only slightly better at mitigating it. I can't find any doctor or medical source that says the "virus has run its course" this seems like a very loaded politized message, if you can point me in that direction it would be great. When I look at the numbers that Texas is producing they are telling me the opposite to what you are. It was getting better but now it is again getting much worse. If this virus operated like a fire as you suggest a way higher % of people over all would have had it so that there would not be new people to get it (no more trees to burn), this has simply not happened. Average new cases per day in Texas Three weeks ago 4,458 two weeks ago 3,664 1 week ago 4,187 Currently 6,587 It is heading in the wrong direction and likely because the politicized message you and many others are receiving is simply not accurate. When people hear it is over or past they behave in ways that make things worse and the really bad part is how much harder it is to bring them down rather than up. None of the data suggests "the virus has run its course", who is telling you this? Can you quote it so I can look into it? I think it is very challenging to be a American in this time because EVERYTHING is becoming a political issue and "facts" are being used that are not by definition facts. Up here in Canada our score card is very different. The conservative governments have not ignored medical advice or facts. We have two premiers who are often compared to Trump, both provinces have have preformed as well as the ones run by other governments. Federally the leader of the opposition has argued about many things as normally happens, but not on medical advice, all 4 major parties have listened to the top doctors and made rules based on that. Interestingly enough our most Trump like politician, Doug Ford who runs our biggest most populous province and main campaign promise was "buck a beer" is currently suggesting he may need to do targeted lock downs if people do not start behaving better and reducing the spread. I do think it is way more challenging in the US than Canada for these reasons, there is a expectation that especially on important matters such as health or in Crisis that our politicians put their egos away and do what is best. Well I think one side has done better, I think that is only because the other side picked wrong. Right now in the states what Blue and Red think about any issue seems to be most determined by what the other one thinks and we think the opposite. It is hard to find unpoliticized info on the US, which is scary in so many ways. News should be facts presented and if there are two sides they should be both covered. You guys are not getting that as a people and it is leading to incredible division and some really objectively bad decisions and outcomes. This is a pretty powerful story and I'm going to link multiple sources as one is CNN and I know that republicans treat it as Dems treat fox. But the person I'll be quoting is a CEO from a hospital in Kentucky. It does not say his political affiliation, as it shouldn't, but I think you would agree that if you were betting a CEO in Kentucky is far more likely to vote Republican. “Our infectious disease specialists and other medical professionals are very concerned at how quickly and widely COVID-19 is spreading locally,” Whitlatch wrote in a Facebook post Friday. “Not in some big city but our hometowns.” https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article245893935.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22/us/kentucky-hospital-kings-daughters-covid-trnd/index.html Don't believe what the Republicans say, Don't believe what the Democrat's say, Believe what the doctors say. Unlike the previous to groups they actually have your communities best interest at heart. I think an epedimiologist would say (idgaf about what most line physicians say) that an illness moves through a community until it exhausts the connections needed to spread. This could be that means of transmission are denied or because the pool of easy targets diminishes. This brings us to the question that really defines this discussion: How do you think this is going to end? The idea that we are going to lockdown Covid-19 out of existence seems absurd to me. NYC still has ~200 new cases a day. CA has been on a slow burn of about 3k for a while. And, lest you think it's just us dum dum Americans, Germany is still at 2k new cases a day. The first part of your argument is that "Trump states" handled this poorly and, in the face of the sheer devastation that the northeast faced, that assertion relies on how they are doing right at this moment. Even that argument seems to be reliant on the late-blooming increases in the western states. coronavirus.jhu.edu Considering the extreme diversity in conditions, comparisons seems foolish. This is a pretty awesome state by state graph btw. Texas has been percolating a bit in the low thousands, but it's definitely on a downward trend. There may be a bit of confusion because apparently there was some misreported backlog that was released in the last few days. So if you see an enormous spike, that's why. The second half of your argument is dem dere Trumpers think masks are a commie science devil plot. I assure you that, at least in Texas, we've been wearing masks and public spaces have been restricted since March. Wouldn't you agree that that's at least 90% of the effectiveness? I think my biggest issue is that there's absolutely no limit on the hyperbole. You can go out and demand that we go into total lockdown until we make a vaccine for the cold. and people nod their heads sagely at what a conscientious person you are. Suggest that we not trample all over people's rights and destroy their livelihoods based on supposition, and you get accused of wanting to kill grandma. | ||
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You seem to agree with me that lockdowns are not going to eliminate this. I also think that we've done most of what we can to eliminate it, even though I'm sure you think we should have done more? maybe we're stupid? maybe we should have been more draconian? I would point to the reasons I listed above as greater factors. It seems like you have had most of your modest demands met. Why the outrage then? Why this grasping at straws and spurious assumptions? It seems like you're upset because you don't like Trump's attitude? It really seems like you are arguing backwards from your desired conclusion. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
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On September 25 2020 22:52 JimmiC wrote: Covid response and continued double talk about it are of course going to hurt Trump. Well many Trumpers like to point to the death of.old people as a reason the virus is not that bad, are they unaware that Trumps voters tend to be old? They are more likely to have had a bad experience or know someone who has died, not to mention hearing them dying is ok is not a great motivator. Yup, you're right.in Sweden the highest rate for deaths was between 80 - 90. Average life expectancy in Sweden is 83. Same story everywhere else. Of course Biden hasow crowds, this is what doctors and his supporters want, lol. He could still do boat parades or car parades.Trump had 16,000-20,000 car parade in Ohio a week ago, Biden car parade had 3 people.How many people watch Biden livestreams? C'mon man! None of that about mail in ballots is true, feel free to try to find a source. From one of your top politicans, no less.He was shitting his pants over this issue back in 2004. The debates are coming up, I think like every time Biden has spoke he will do quite well. Pelosi just told him on Friday not to do any debates with Trump.This is the second time she's called for him to cancel them.Biden has called a lid on his campaigning before noon 9+ times so far this month.We're 6 weeks from the election.You think this is normal? Is it at all concerning to you that your whole world view is stuff you or other people just made up? Yet 10 days before Trumps inauguration FBI agents investigating Trumps Russia links (lol) took out liability insurance.This all came out in the past week.Seems like your world is about to come crashing down.I've posted the actual video of Biden threatening the Ukrainian government (Fire the prosecutor or we won't pay you $1,000,000,000 dollars) several times on the politics thread over the years, maybe you missed it, if you did this is what actual collusion looks like : | ||
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On September 25 2020 06:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: 94% had pre existing conditions, only 6% died due to corona (CDC).40% of deaths were in nursing homes. The real catastrophe will be the loss of businesses, homes, the mental health epidemic caused by lockdowns and the financial situation.All lead to a spike in suicide.Thats the true disaster here and I've been saying that since day one. How could the US excess mortality from COVID-19 be roughly 250,000 if only 6% of 200000 (12000) died from COVID-19?. Also, the 6% you are talking about is the percentage of those who died without co-morbidities (basically healthy people). Unfortunately, almost half the US population has common co-morbidities like heart disease, COPD, asthma, cancer, hypertension, diabetes and etc that worsen COVID-19 outcomes so there is hardly any solace to be found from your figures anyway. | ||
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On September 26 2020 10:06 JimmiC wrote: What is the average age of someone who dies from cancer? If we could stop it through masks and social distancing for a year until a vaccine came out you would think this was a bad idea? Perhaps for those 65+, the death rate under that is negligible. There will be far higher rates of suicide, mental health issues, bankruptcies for those under 65 than before though due to the lockdowns and economic issues caused by them. Trump drew a much smaller crowd to his inauguration than Obama, I've found it is votes that matter not car parade sides. Diversion.What metric do you want to use then? Voter registration in swing states? https://www.westernjournal.com/republicans-outpacing-dems-voter-registration-gain-key-battleground-states/ Pennsylvania The Democrats have an approximate 783,000 advantage in voter registration in the state. However, the margin is down from a 936,000 lead in 2016, when Trump carried the commonwealth. The GOP’s gain in North Carolina is even larger than in Pennsylvania. In 2016, the Democrats held about a 646,000 registered-voter lead, according to statistics provided to The Western Journal by the Republican National Committee. That lead has dropped 216,000 to a 430,000-voter lead. In Florida in 2016, Trump won by a little over a percentage point despite the Democrats having a 335,000-voter-registration lead at the time, the RNC determined. That advantage has fallen to approximately 250,000. Did you watch your video? It is not even about mail in ballots. It is about paper ballots compared to their machines and then the person brings out a study that shows hes wrong. It's a democrat congressman claiming voter fraud.Here you go though, 1 in 5 mail in votes in NY primary discarded. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/one-five-mail-ballots-rejected-botched-nyc-primary-n1236143 Pelosi taking a shot about Trumps honesty and mentioning the a possible impeachment before a big debate.... OMG WHAT?!?!?!? lol The last time you guys really pushed the Biden senile story Biden gave a speech and went way up because he blew the very low expectations out of the water. Maybe it will work out better this time, I doubt it. Debate will be 'interesting' for sure... How could the US excess mortality from COVID-19 be roughly 250,000 if only 6% of 200000 (12000) died from COVID-19?. Also, the 6% you are talking about is the percentage of those who died without co-morbidities (basically healthy people). Unfortunately, almost half the US population has common co-morbidities like heart disease, COPD, asthma, cancer, hypertension, diabetes and etc that worsen COVID-19 outcomes so there is hardly any solace to be found from your figures anyway. 40% of US deaths were people in nursing homes and of those half were from 5 democratic states where their governors sent COVID patients back into those nursing homes. Figure so far is on the low end of estimates made back in March but would be lower if not for bad decisions made at state level. | ||
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www.youtube.com I also can't believe I never remembered to bring up the Maoist Revolutionary Guard running around the cities. | ||
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Nancy pelosi urging people to visit China town in spiteful retort to his travel restriction ban. And other counter-productive discord created on purpose. Ps. Not that China town be inherently risky, it was just the notion. Also did you see her falter and restart an interview midway through this week? What the hell Also.. Be advised of the misinformation campaign that's attempting to render president Trump untrustworthy, saying he lied about the virus. Can you imagine what would've happened if in a single stroke he'd announced there's an airborne virus of unknown affinity.. that's contagious and possibly fatal. The people.. all types, Survivalists, looters, religious folk would've gone crazy.. To the host of this post. I admire your procedure and effort taken.. But until I see an itemized list of those dead victims. What age, present ailments, lifestyle.. above all a damning certainty the death was this virus.. I reckon speculation and analysis be hopeless. And finally.. to anyone here present clinging to the flimsy narrative that Trump administration failed or messed up, It would be appearing in full onslaught and Kayleigh Mcenany would be recieving a barrage of harmful questions, impossible to withstand. And yet.. she does. And the questions take the form of nothing more than unseasonably bothersome flies | ||
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Make no mistake, he will go down in history as the greatest president of the USA for many centuries after. He believes in liberty, in its proper burning right.. not the current brand of aggressive, false-humanitarian Liberalism enforced by these enlightened progressive folk. Trump is inherently left wing. I know something is up when I'm hearing from 3 different people - innately liberal in their personality - the measurable affects of His administration, via email online.. and I'm also hearing about their outrage of comedians like Trevor Noah, John Oliver.. who are instrumental in producing complete lies. Not even unequivocal lies.. ashamedly Trevor noah is from my country, south Africa.. and he's Speaking deceptively on behalf of things that don't concern him! | ||
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It's all documented. Go summon forth the White House press secretary briefings! Infront of an official audience Kayleigh Mcenany.. and countless other YouTube profiles, displayed the footage. To you really think vested reporters would leave that confabulation unchallenged? Must I find the link and post it? Or will the low resolution settings of the lense on your beer goggles hinder you from screening it!? The impeachment was happening and overlapping with the incipient virus. And all based on a bogus lie | ||
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There.. fast forward to 26 min 45 seconds You can hear the overlap of impeachment and beginning virus. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-31-2020/ Or you can navigate to an archived transcript of the delivery and read it. And the fact that pelosi urged people to visit China town in defiance of Trumps travel ban.. is heard so many times. There are articles revealing she deleted her China town Twitter post. Unless your reply is trying to apply history alterations 1984 style.. The evidence is pretty voluminous! And damning! | ||
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There.. I struggled to find it. It's dated late into February | ||
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On September 28 2020 01:19 JimmiC wrote: thanks for the laughs!  JimmiC I just want to thank you for being a breath of fresh air and having the patience and energy to engage with this thread through these three pages. I enjoyed reading your perspective and takes and it was nice to see rational points defended calmly and intelligently. It has been troubling engaging with a lot of this subject matter for me simply due to a saturation of hostile discourse in my world, so thanks for being a reminder that not everywhere is crazy. It was nice reading a beacon of how conversations can be. | ||
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On September 28 2020 06:50 jameswatts wrote: https://youtu.be/CmllqkU6j2k There.. I struggled to find it. It's dated late into February These odd attempts at virtue signalling from the early days have been largely forgotten. Recall when democrats blasted Trump as racist for banning travel from China back on Jan 31st. Fact is Trump did that and then allowed states to choose their own response to the virus, because a harsh national response from Trump would have led to calls of dictator, fascist etc. Also should note, the virtue signalling was also very prevalent in Europe during that time, in fact a couple of days after Trump banned people flying in from China the mayor of Florence, Italy, advised locals to 'hug a Chinese person'. It sounds odd in these days of social distancing and masks but true it was. | ||
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I've seen the data from the CDC, i continue to make the claim the 'cure' is worse than the virus itself.But we will have to see what happens in 2021 when the economic issues arising from the lockdowns and the total shutdown of sectors of the economy like tourism/entertainment really hit home.Really hoping suicides don't spike as much as feared. CDC’s new IFR survivability estimates after contracting the virus are broken down by age as part of the agency’s “COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios” are as follows: 0-19 years old survivability rate is 99.997% 20-49 years old survivability rate is 99.98% 50-69 years old survivability rate is 99.5% 70 years old or older survivability rate is 94.6% To put that in a different perspective the CDC’s new estimate for the death rate after contracting COVID-19 by age are: 0-19 years old death rate is .003% 20-49 years old death rate is .02% 50-69 years old death rate is .5%% 70 years old or older death rate is 5.4% | ||
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