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First night of Ramadan for many many Muslims today!
Ramadan is the Muslim holy month in which the Quran and other holy scriptures came down, as well as many other important events in Islamic history. Muslims celebrate by fasting during the month from sunset to sundown.
There are many blessings about the month in Islamic mythos. In it, the all the gates of heaven are said to be open and all the gates of hell closed. One night, called "Laylat al Qadr" is said in the Quran to be more important than a thousand months.
I hope all the Muslims here have an amazing Ramadan, deep reflections, and we all grow closer to Allah and have some amazing delicious Iftars (sunset meals)!!!
كل عام و انتم بخير
  
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Happy Ramadan!
And thanks for a little explanation for the Nun-Muslims (like me)
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Oh it's ramdan... Time to eat some delicious cake in the office. HEY ! He didn't bring me back those tunusian sweet sweet with honey last time !
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it is fascinating to examine the growing body of scientific evidence about the benefits of intermittent fasting.
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Happy Ramadan to you too and hope it's a month full of blessings!
كل عام و انتم بخير
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Wow, I didn't expect that TL congratulates Moslems, that's gentle.
  رمضان كريم
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On May 06 2019 04:45 Pandain wrote:
First night of Ramadan for many many Muslims today!
Ramadan is the Muslim holy month in which the Quran and other holy scriptures came down, as well as many other important events in Islamic history. Muslims celebrate by fasting during the month from sunset to sundown.
There are many blessings about the month in Islamic mythos. In it, the all the gates of heaven are said to be open and all the gates of hell closed. One night, called "Laylat al Qadr" is said in the Quran to be more important than a thousand months.
I hope all the Muslims here have an amazing Ramadan, deep reflections, and we all grow closer to Allah and have some amazing delicious Iftars (sunset meals)!!!
كل عام و انتم بخير
Am I missing some kind of poetic interpretation here of "from sunset to sundown?"
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On May 09 2019 01:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
it is fascinating to examine the growing body of scientific evidence about the benefits of intermittent fasting.
Maybe there are benefits in some forms, but the fasting as practiced by many muslims - sunrise to sunset and then eating in the night, at the expense of sleep, for a month, that just can't be healthy.
Moreover, it's also not well suited for the modern world, I once got almost killed in Tajikistan because our driver was too exhausted from his fast and kept falling asleep while driving winding mountain roads ...
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On May 11 2019 16:46 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2019 01:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
it is fascinating to examine the growing body of scientific evidence about the benefits of intermittent fasting. Maybe there are benefits in some forms, but the fasting as practiced by many muslims - sunrise to sunset and then eating in the night, at the expense of sleep, for a month, that just can't be healthy. Moreover, it's also not well suited for the modern world, I once got almost killed in Tajikistan because our driver was too exhausted from his fast and kept falling asleep while driving winding mountain roads ...
Eating in the night at the expense of sleep? I break my fast at 8:45 pm. When do you go to sleep?
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On May 11 2019 17:29 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2019 16:46 opisska wrote:On May 09 2019 01:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
it is fascinating to examine the growing body of scientific evidence about the benefits of intermittent fasting. Maybe there are benefits in some forms, but the fasting as practiced by many muslims - sunrise to sunset and then eating in the night, at the expense of sleep, for a month, that just can't be healthy. Moreover, it's also not well suited for the modern world, I once got almost killed in Tajikistan because our driver was too exhausted from his fast and kept falling asleep while driving winding mountain roads ... Eating in the night at the expense of sleep? I break my fast at 8:45 pm. When do you go to sleep?
Well first of all, eating before going to sleep is in itself unhealthy, mostly everyone recommends not eating several hours before you go to sleep. Then, eating before sleep is for many people (not neccessarily everyone though) a source of problems in falling asleep.
And even all of this aside, when to you eat your breakfast? I know it's highly dependent on which part of the year the Ramadan falls and the latitude you live, but you are from Canada. which is about the same latitude as Warsaw and here the Sun is below horizon only 8 hours and a bit, so to eat both dinner and breakfast with between sunset and sunrise definitely cuts to sleeping schedule.
From what we saw in central Asia (the only time we happened to hit Ramadan in full in a Muslim country), people take their meals seriously, so they would get up about 2 hours before sunrise to eat - and then everyone was sleepy most of the day.
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On May 09 2019 15:00 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2019 04:45 Pandain wrote:
First night of Ramadan for many many Muslims today!
Ramadan is the Muslim holy month in which the Quran and other holy scriptures came down, as well as many other important events in Islamic history. Muslims celebrate by fasting during the month from sunset to sundown.
There are many blessings about the month in Islamic mythos. In it, the all the gates of heaven are said to be open and all the gates of hell closed. One night, called "Laylat al Qadr" is said in the Quran to be more important than a thousand months.
I hope all the Muslims here have an amazing Ramadan, deep reflections, and we all grow closer to Allah and have some amazing delicious Iftars (sunset meals)!!!
كل عام و انتم بخير Am I missing some kind of poetic interpretation here of "from sunset to sundown?"
OP typoed... He meant from sunrise.
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On May 11 2019 17:55 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2019 17:29 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 11 2019 16:46 opisska wrote:On May 09 2019 01:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
it is fascinating to examine the growing body of scientific evidence about the benefits of intermittent fasting. Maybe there are benefits in some forms, but the fasting as practiced by many muslims - sunrise to sunset and then eating in the night, at the expense of sleep, for a month, that just can't be healthy. Moreover, it's also not well suited for the modern world, I once got almost killed in Tajikistan because our driver was too exhausted from his fast and kept falling asleep while driving winding mountain roads ... Eating in the night at the expense of sleep? I break my fast at 8:45 pm. When do you go to sleep? Well first of all, eating before going to sleep is in itself unhealthy, mostly everyone recommends not eating several hours before you go to sleep. Then, eating before sleep is for many people (not neccessarily everyone though) a source of problems in falling asleep. And even all of this aside, when to you eat your breakfast? I know it's highly dependent on which part of the year the Ramadan falls and the latitude you live, but you are from Canada. which is about the same latitude as Warsaw and here the Sun is below horizon only 8 hours and a bit, so to eat both dinner and breakfast with between sunset and sunrise definitely cuts to sleeping schedule. From what we saw in central Asia (the only time we happened to hit Ramadan in full in a Muslim country), people take their meals seriously, so they would get up about 2 hours before sunrise to eat - and then everyone was sleepy most of the day.
I have quite a few students who observe Ramadan each year, and I know exactly when it starts without looking at the calendar, because my otherwise-alert students start coming in to class exhausted and unable to focus. Nothing like having no energy nor the ability to pay attention for the entire last month of the school year  I feel so bad and frustrated for these kids; their religious tradition is actively undermining and sabotaging all the hard work they've put in since September. Neither food nor water from sunrise to sunset (except in medical emergencies, thankfully), which also means they're messing up their eating and sleeping schedules. Engaging in self-control and self-discipline should be a healthy experience, not a decidedly unhealthy one. This is bad mental health practice and bad physical health practice, but those who observe this kind of fasting don't seem to be particularly interested in what scientific or medical communities have to say, as they're doing it for religious reasons. As a teacher who wants to promote sensible academic practices and wants to see his students succeed, it's very frustrating to come across roadblocks with obvious solutions that can't be addressed for cultural or religious reasons. I can only hope that these students make the personal decision to break their fasts before any serious tests, and it doesn't help that AP exams are literally the first two weeks of Ramadan.
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The Moslems in Egypt fasts for 15 hours (its actually from dawn, not sunrise, till sunset), for me it's only painful in thinking/doing activities if I didn't get the meal before the dawn (Sohoor), when this happens I really can't think easily or be able to learn a new thing, and surrender to sleep during the day (If I'm not having an obligatory work), when this happens I feel like I lost the day and can't do anything, except reciting some of the Quran/playing football (when other friends encourage me).
But even when I can't think, I still believe religiously/scientifically that "Fast to be healthy" as Muhammad says, is true.
I feel that my body is generally strong (and sorry to say, sexually hard) after being hungry for a long time.
I think the prophet David (pbuh) was fasting for a similar period and not for one month in the year, but the whole life (fasting one day and eating the other)
A driver accident because of not having Sohoor can happen, but the ones due to drunk/crazy drivers are more.
And of course, it's not obligatory to fast for some patients, even if not patient, for example, all the travelers (which mean drivers, whether they're exhausted or not) in general, have a license to break their fast, and do it later,
Of course, eating then sleeping is a bad habit, sometimes I hate myself when sleeping after less than 4-7 hours from eating, but maybe it's harder to resist after Sohoor, because you've to eat, and then you don't have much work to do from 3:30 AM till the morning, all the shops are closing, most people are naturally sleeping.
Fasting is not to sabotage any work, but if you forgot/was lazy to wake up for Sohoor, you probably lost the day.
Lastly, the wisdom from fasting is "to fear", think of the people who die from hunger, what if you just have to fast for 24 hours (can you do 36 ?), think of the people that can't even take food through the mouth, but using injected medical liquids through intravenous, for weeks.
Shouldn't we fear/thank our maker when we are healthy? The answer: we mightn't appreciate this until we lost the food.
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On May 11 2019 18:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2019 17:55 opisska wrote:On May 11 2019 17:29 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 11 2019 16:46 opisska wrote:On May 09 2019 01:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
it is fascinating to examine the growing body of scientific evidence about the benefits of intermittent fasting. Maybe there are benefits in some forms, but the fasting as practiced by many muslims - sunrise to sunset and then eating in the night, at the expense of sleep, for a month, that just can't be healthy. Moreover, it's also not well suited for the modern world, I once got almost killed in Tajikistan because our driver was too exhausted from his fast and kept falling asleep while driving winding mountain roads ... Eating in the night at the expense of sleep? I break my fast at 8:45 pm. When do you go to sleep? Well first of all, eating before going to sleep is in itself unhealthy, mostly everyone recommends not eating several hours before you go to sleep. Then, eating before sleep is for many people (not neccessarily everyone though) a source of problems in falling asleep. And even all of this aside, when to you eat your breakfast? I know it's highly dependent on which part of the year the Ramadan falls and the latitude you live, but you are from Canada. which is about the same latitude as Warsaw and here the Sun is below horizon only 8 hours and a bit, so to eat both dinner and breakfast with between sunset and sunrise definitely cuts to sleeping schedule. From what we saw in central Asia (the only time we happened to hit Ramadan in full in a Muslim country), people take their meals seriously, so they would get up about 2 hours before sunrise to eat - and then everyone was sleepy most of the day. I have quite a few students who observe Ramadan each year, and I know exactly when it starts without looking at the calendar, because my otherwise-alert students start coming in to class exhausted and unable to focus. Nothing like having no energy nor the ability to pay attention for the entire last month of the school year I feel so bad and frustrated for these kids; their religious tradition is actively undermining and sabotaging all the hard work they've put in since September. Neither food nor water from sunrise to sunset (except in medical emergencies, thankfully), which also means they're messing up their eating and sleeping schedules. Engaging in self-control and self-discipline should be a healthy experience, not a decidedly unhealthy one. This is bad mental health practice and bad physical health practice, but those who observe this kind of fasting don't seem to be particularly interested in what scientific or medical communities have to say, as they're doing it for religious reasons. As a teacher who wants to promote sensible academic practices and wants to see his students succeed, it's very frustrating to come across roadblocks with obvious solutions that can't be addressed for cultural or religious reasons. I can only hope that these students make the personal decision to break their fasts before any serious tests, and it doesn't help that AP exams are literally the first two weeks of Ramadan.
There are a large number of students who dont fast on the day of AP tests, it's been discussed and many Imams think it's fine. Not everyone agrees.
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On May 11 2019 21:01 Moataz wrote:
The Moslems in Egypt fasts for 15 hours (its actually from dawn, not sunrise, till sunset), for me it's only painful in thinking/doing activities if I didn't get the meal before the dawn (Sohoor), when this happens I really can't think easily or be able to learn a new thing, and surrender to sleep during the day (If I'm not having an obligatory work), when this happens I feel like I lost the day and can't do anything, except reciting some of the Quran/playing football (when other friends encourage me).
But even when I can't think, I still believe religiously/scientifically that "Fast to be healthy" as Muhammad says, is true.
I feel that my body is generally strong (and sorry to say, sexually hard) after being hungry for a long time.
I think the prophet David (pbuh) was fasting for a similar period and not for one month in the year, but the whole life (fasting one day and eating the other)
A driver accident because of not having Sohoor can happen, but the ones due to drunk/crazy drivers are more.
And of course, it's not obligatory to fast for some patients, even if not patient, for example, all the travelers (which mean drivers, whether they're exhausted or not) in general, have a license to break their fast, and do it later,
Of course, eating then sleeping is a bad habit, sometimes I hate myself when sleeping after less than 4-7 hours from eating, but maybe it's harder to resist after Sohoor, because you've to eat, and then you don't have much work to do from 3:30 AM till the morning, all the shops are closing, most people are naturally sleeping.
Fasting is not to sabotage any work, but if you forgot/was lazy to wake up for Sohoor, you probably lost the day.
Lastly, the wisdom from fasting is "to fear", think of the people who die from hunger, what if you just have to fast for 24 hours (can you do 36 ?), think of the people that can't even take food through the mouth, but using injected medical liquids through the venous, for weeks.
Shouldn't we fear/thank our maker when we are healthy? The answer: we mightn't appreciate this until we lost the food.
That's not at all the purpose of fasting in Ramadan. The purpose is to bring you into a state where you are closer to God. Food or fasting from it is a step, it's not the end all be all.
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Happy Ramadan guys.
And yeah I doubt it's healthy, but at least Islam is sensible enough about that to allow for exceptions when they should be made. That doesn't mean that people don't overestimate themselves on occasion, but that's not exactly the fault of the scripture, is it?
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^ Indeed though fasting is actually quite healthy. It's being used more and more in the medical field for diabetic patients for instance where they fast for 2 days only on water. Fasting, among other benefits, allows the pancreas to basically relax which helps those patients greatly. I don't know if you've personally tried it, but fasting is the most amazing thing ever and I can tell you from the responses here, those who have and haven't tried it lol.
Also, people can be exhausted for any number of reasons so trying to pin it on them fasting is not the answer. Ramadan is considered the holiest month of the year for Muslims and it's not just about the fasting, but the acts that come before and after. Things such as praying and reciting the Quran at night or during the day are quite common since it's a month of seeking forgiveness as well.
In some countries, some people decide to sleep only after morning prayers while others sleep several hours after eating giving their body time to digest their food and then get up 15 minutes before morning prayer to grab something to eat before it's too late (or just skip this altogether). It differs from individual to individual. I personally don't bother waking up to eat something since I eat a normal meal when I break my fast and that's good enough for me. Your body becomes extremely disciplined and most kids start fasting at the age of 10 or so. Now, of course, some people tend to overdo things in the sense that they have a feast when they break their fast, or they might push themselves to keep praying or reciting when they should clearly get sleep and pick things up the next day, but that's a personal choice. Fasting is about considering the plight of those less fortunate, about seeking forgiveness and getting closer to God.
Aside from this, I can't say much more. Everyone here knows how to use google to look at the benefits of fasting and make their own decisions after giving it serious thought (and hopefully actually trying it for several days). If you still disagree, well, that's your prerogative. Hopefully what I wrote was educational to someone on here.
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On May 14 2019 15:31 BigFan wrote:
^ Indeed though fasting is actually quite healthy. It's being used more and more in the medical field for diabetic patients for instance where they fast for 2 days only on water. Fasting, among other benefits, allows the pancreas to basically relax which helps those patients greatly. I don't know if you've personally tried it, but fasting is the most amazing thing ever and I can tell you from the responses here, those who have and haven't tried it lol.
Also, people can be exhausted for any number of reasons so trying to pin it on them fasting is not the answer. Ramadan is considered the holiest month of the year for Muslims and it's not just about the fasting, but the acts that come before and after. Things such as praying and reciting the Quran at night or during the day are quite common since it's a month of seeking forgiveness as well.
In some countries, some people decide to sleep only after morning prayers while others sleep several hours after eating giving their body time to digest their food and then get up 15 minutes before morning prayer to grab something to eat before it's too late (or just skip this altogether). It differs from individual to individual. I personally don't bother waking up to eat something since I eat a normal meal when I break my fast and that's good enough for me. Your body becomes extremely disciplined and most kids start fasting at the age of 10 or so. Now, of course, some people tend to overdo things in the sense that they have a feast when they break their fast, or they might push themselves to keep praying or reciting when they should clearly get sleep and pick things up the next day, but that's a personal choice. Fasting is about considering the plight of those less fortunate, about seeking forgiveness and getting closer to God.
Aside from this, I can't say much more. Everyone here knows how to use google to look at the benefits of fasting and make their own decisions after giving it serious thought (and hopefully actually trying it for several days). If you still disagree, well, that's your prerogative. Hopefully what I wrote was educational to someone on here.
Due to the fact that I've been constantly underweight for all my life and have trouble keeping my weight stable even when I eat three meals a day I haven't tried it yet for health reasons. (Also I'm atheist so the religious reasons don't apply to me personally).
I also have trouble getting enough sleep during my work week and there's a large difference between fasting for 2 days or a full month, so I still have doubts that Ramadan is exactly healthy. Still thank you for the educational response, definitely interesting to hear how the body reacts to the change in rhythm among other things.
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