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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
January 04 2017 08:27 GMT
#1
One of the things I worry about is my ability to concentrate on something. It doesn't matter if its the ability to complete a 10 minute task or to be able to work towards a long term goal, without being sidetracked along the way.

In order to hone my concentration skills I've begun to consume more long-form media. Podcasts, lectures, long articles, books, as well as strict goal tracking, and meditation.

A habit of mine that I'm not sure of is having to pause and think of something I've just read or listened to and try to really understand it. I mean really understand it. To try to fit it into my life. To see where it fits in the world. Not simply how the words combine to make a sentence.

It's a little bit frustrating that an article that might take another person 15 minutes to read takes me the same amount of time reading but an additional 15 minutes to think about what is being said. It's a lot like this video:




However, in this video I don't get the impression that the professor is going through the same motions, but rather slowing himself down so that the audience can benefit from more elaboration. I watched this video a couple of weeks ago, and I can't recall a single specific thing the professor said about the passage. In situations like these, I am 'robbed' of my own learning because I'm not making the conclusions myself, but am rather given them.

I understand that it's yet another skill that I have to practice, and that it will get better with time, but I feel like I'm playing catchup due to my habit of comparing myself to the pinnacle of humanity in any given field. It puts a lot of unnecessary pressure on myself, and yet 'I like the way it hurts' because it gives me a point to strive towards.

The motivation to write this blog, and actually to reach out to people on this matter was an article about the life of philosopher Derek Parfit after he died. I had to, as I often do, entirely stop reading and think about what was being said in this quote:

He has few memories of his past, and he almost never thinks about it, although his memory for other things is very good. He attributes this to his inability to form mental images. Although he recognizes familiar things when he sees them, he cannot call up images of them afterward in his head: he cannot visualize even so simple an image as a flag; he cannot, when he is away, recall his wife’s face. (This condition is rare but not unheard of; it has been proposed that it is more common in people who think in abstractions.)

Source: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/09/05/how-to-be-good


My perspective in life is the same way. When I close my eyes and try to imagine something, say an apple. I only see black. I can describe to you the shape of an apple, or if it has a stem or not, and I definitely am thinking about apples, but there is nothing visual to go off of. It's strange to me. Just like Parfit, I cannot visualize a flag. I can describe in detail many flags, and yet when I close my eyes and think about one, I find no image forthcoming.

A similar experience is mirrored with internal monologues. On a hot summers day, I never enter a convenience store and verbally think to myself 'Oh good they have refrigerated drinks here', but it would be a lie to say that I'm not grateful that I can't buy a cold drink at that moment.

I rarely dream, but when I do it is extremely sensory rich. I see in detail the world I have imagined around me, and can feel sensations such as falling down or water rushing over my body, but there is no colour. It's all grey scale. If I walk past a street in my dream full of shops, I couldn't tell you how many there were. Just that there were shops.

As I want to reach out to some other people, I have two questions for you:

1) Is it often that you'll be consuming some media, and simply have to pause it to think about what is being said?
2) What is the split on people with consciousnesses that are imaginative and not? By that I mean, what % of people have no internal monologue and cannot visualize something, and what % of people can see vividly a memory or object in their minds eye?

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One thing that is not really relevant to the above post, but I was listening to a criticism of Donald Trump based on the way he talks. To paraphrase the speaker 'the way that a person talks is the same way that they think.' So if Trump says crazy things at the grammatical level of an 11 year old, that is likely his actual stream of consciousness.

One of the things I hope to also fix with concentration practice is jumping around in both my speech and in my writing. I'll be speaking about one subject, and know how it relates to another thing and bring it up. That is fine behaviour, but not ideal when poorly articulated. I might think I'm a genius, but my audience will think I'm incoherent.


Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 11:06:44
January 04 2017 10:51 GMT
#2
Hmm... it is quite peculiar to hear how other people think.

1) For me it depends on what type of work I am reading. I read the auto-biography of Anthony Kiedis lead singer of red hot chili peppers with no turbulence, and no need to think about what the writer intended to say. On the contrary academic works require varying degrees of thought after completing the reading.

It looks to me you are consuming philosophical works. Which are difficult to comprehend after a single read through. So you contemplate its meaning. Which seems fine since you are dealing with abstract concepts and often dealing with a writer's superfluous language.

2) I do not know the percentages between the two, and I do not fit into the two categories that are presented. But I can present to you my thought process. From meditation I noticed I do have verbal thoughts, but I do not narrate my life whatsoever, such as 'Oh good they have refrigerated drinks here'. I am capable of creating very rough images in my head, though it is actually just black in my head. When it comes to recreating something specific I often fail. For example, my family member's faces, I have a hard time creating a mental image of them, but can recognize them immediately.
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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
January 04 2017 17:41 GMT
#3
I just happened to link philosophical works because the pausing to think happens the most often there, but it is not limited to them.

It is my suspicion that almost noone can vividly visualize things. It would explain why people have terrible memories of complex situations such as crowds or driving in traffic.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 18:44:06
January 04 2017 18:26 GMT
#4
On January 05 2017 02:41 Thaniri wrote:
It is my suspicion that almost noone can vividly visualize things. It would explain why people have terrible memories of complex situations such as crowds or driving in traffic.


Memory is tied to concentration and emotional investment. Complex situations usually involve one at the expense of the other. People can either recall their feelings at the time or the details of the experience, but it's rare to have both.

Visualization itself is a skill that can be practiced.
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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
January 05 2017 02:16 GMT
#5
Visualization is something that can be trained, but I wonder at the actual seeing of images in a persons minds eye.

Any athlete at all will have gone through visualization training. There have been studies showing that those who visualize doing a performance well before doing something will achieve higher scores than those who don't.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18835 Posts
January 05 2017 13:22 GMT
#6
Some of the smartest people I've met claim to be utterly unable to "visualize" as the word is being used above, so I dunno about how integral it is relative to achievement. There are posts about this very thing elsewhere on TL as well
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-05 16:39:29
January 05 2017 16:38 GMT
#7
I pause video's and lay down books to allow myself time to expand upon thoughts that pop up. Personally I am pretty bad at grasping abstract thoughts without relating them to something I can imagine. I have always been really bad at math (despite having a very logical mind) because the numbers, symbols and variables don't relate to anything for me. I learned tables by memorizing all the answers, only much later did I begin to grasp what "x" actually meant and that 4 x 6 meant I should add up the 6, 4 times.

I tend to process information in text and speech which may explain my inability to turn equations into a mental model I can interact with. I have lived in the same city for 26 years and I don't have a mental map of where things are relative to another. I know how get to x and y from my home but when it comes to going from x to y I usually have no idea how they geographically relate to another.

When I read a book though I have a very rich imagination, I have to keep myself from drowning in them because I lose awareness of myself reading the book.
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wxiao
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
2 Posts
January 12 2017 03:54 GMT
#8
Visualization is something that can be trained
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