In regards to payouts, I think top 16 payouts should really be avoided except in fields were talent pool of 'top' players is very large. Single vs Double elimination needs to be taken into account as well. Single should be top heavy for the winner with 2-8 being much closer spread, and double should have noticeable drop offs after each placing.

Foreigners with high natural skill have much less incentive to put in serious time towards improving if they can reach a payout without a ton of effort.

pwei

United States62 Posts

January 30 2016 16:15 GMT

#43

Thanks Kaelaris. I enjoyed this!

JacobShock

Denmark2485 Posts

January 31 2016 01:01 GMT

#44

I might have hated on your casting before, Kaelaris. I apologize, you seem to be a stand up guy and I agree with many of your points.

MaCRo.gg

Korea (South)860 Posts

January 31 2016 01:21 GMT

#45

On January 27 2016 03:09 todespolka wrote:

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But thats not our problem. We are not responsible for the korean scene. We gave them enough time to adapt. It took blizzard 2 years to region lock. Also a scene should be able to sustain it-self without help from outside. Imagine it as an eco system which tries to reach equilibrium. Every disturbance from outside would only extend the inevitable.

It isn't that more Blizzard money is going to foreign scene over the Korean scene that is the problem. It is the fact that they are giving money to tournaments to NOT have Koreans attend and making the requirement to allow Koreans to attend at 100k prize pool. What if PGA started giving money to US Open to not have African Americans be eligible to attend and demanded a high prize pool to qualify to have African Americans be able to play? They would be immediately sued by NAACP and be sent to a congressional hearing.

Random321321

32 Posts

January 31 2016 16:11 GMT

#46

On January 26 2016 23:39 Kaelaris wrote:

I thoroughly enjoy watching Korean StarCraft as much as the next person, and if you’re a complete die-hard, truly hardcore fan, then yes, wanting to watch the very best of the best day in, day out is what will appease you. Proleague is yet to start, this will help you sate that thirst, and it’s a huge component which people need to consider. But if you want StarCraft to grow and continue to be successful, you need to nurture players that are relatable, and give more casual fans someone to cheer for on a more personal level. Your fellow countrymen provide that.

Except it's not about that, as you illustrated, French players succeeding isn't just exciting to the French. Why would a French player be more exciting to the non-French than a Korean player? Anytime you say that human beings from a particular country are not "relateable" it's clear that's a code word for xenophobia. Let's market to people's xenophobia. Great idea, that's the way to save Starcraft.

xM(Z

Romania5296 Posts

January 31 2016 17:35 GMT

#47

David Kim's foresaw the korean sc2 scene crash due to match-fixing, so he isolated them trying to keep the collateral to a minimum.
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the guy above me is a delusional troll; i'm hoping

Timelog

Netherlands57 Posts

February 01 2016 14:41 GMT

#48

On January 31 2016 10:21 MaCRo.gg wrote:

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Where in the world did you get the idea that there is a requirement that the prize pool needs to be 100k for Korean players to be allowed to attend... For one, for non WCS tourmanets it's to the discretion of the organizer to allow or disallow Koreans, and secondly, if someone wants to organize a WCS Global Event the prize pool has a minimum of 50k OR the tournament needs Blizzard's approval.

source: http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/2016-wcs-details-and-requirements

fealx

Germany376 Posts

February 01 2016 20:42 GMT

#49

On the one hand i agree with him. It will benefit foreigners and probably the whole community. But why should be weekend tours like dh and iem be region locked... i mean usually the best koreans were not even attending cause of gsl,ssl,proleague... also the comparison to LoL is total bullshit since the foreign teams are full of koreans lol...

Hoofit

United Kingdom128 Posts

February 04 2016 13:10 GMT

#50

Thanks for the post Kaelaris, good to see your thoughts.

As an aside I dotn see how top heavy prize pools are good for the game, it doesnt encourage people to try hard, it just means that peopel who might make a prize spot but not win it would be dissuaded from spending a lot of practice time to get #peanuts'.

Diabolique

Czech Republic5118 Posts

February 05 2016 09:39 GMT

#51

I do not agree with your conclusions Kaelaris, but I liked two ideas. One was the example with fencing ... So OK, I did not mind last year the WCS2015 region locking and would not mind more tournaments for foreigners only. e.g. stealing DreamHacks would be fine. The second idea was BlizzCon as Olympic games. That is an interesting idea and so, you changed my mind in one aspect - having 8 Koreans and 8 foreigners at BlizzCon is OK.

But the thing that this whole WCS2016 is demolishing Korean players and taking away from them 90% of possibilities to earn some money, that is seriously bad. If only at least IEM remained international = not region locked! If there were still 3 seasons of GSL and SSL! 3 Kespa Cups! That is seriously wrong!