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United States7316 Posts
waaaaaaah
It's wintersession here at the 'ol Rhode Island School of Design and so I spend my days on my singular liberal arts class, except I don't spend my days on that class, I spend my days catching up on all of the important skills I need to become a competitive expert at over the next ~4 months!
So one thing that I've been learning is Zbrush, firstly, whoever designed Zbrush's UI sucks, and I hate you. I'm saying this here because of the off chance you find yourself reading this blog in the remote reaches of a StarCraft, and the depths of my irritations penetrate through and strike ye down with the eternal blinding rage of the angriest of deities.
Ehem, okay, I've also started to learn HTML & CSS & Javascript!
So as someone in the visual arts the most absolutely important part of applying to jobs is simple: THE PORTFOLIO! And nowadays employers don't wanna sift through your shitty paper nonsense, they gotta have the premium stuff, the hard stuff, the digital stuff. So I figured that I'd learn to code my own website because I always have an intense urge to learn to do things from scratch out of a desire to have finer control and understanding of what I'm doing.
When I graduate I want to have a really professional looking resume, business card, and portfolio website and to be honest a lot of that desire is just useless vanity because as long as employers can easily GET to the work it doesn't matter if I use some other pre-built website thing, but god dammit, I want my perfect website.
I've spent the last 2 weeks or so going through some of the free stuff from Codeacademy.com which has been super great so far, and now that I finished with that stuff I moved onto Dreamweaver to start laying out the basic shit for my website.
One thing that I discovered is that I really, really like coding while laying in bed. Like, art usually requires so much movement and shitty posture and shit coding is like, damn. I took a bath earlier today and I made it nice and hot and I had a box of Junior Mints to the side and I just did coding exercises in the bath while eating Junior Mints. Sublime.
Holy. Fuck. I hate Dreamweaver. It's up there with Zbrush. Its like High School Graphic Design class all over again, the coding, the Dreamweaver, the nightmares.
I have no idea how to properly manage anything with regards to web design in Dreamweaver, I spent like an hour trying to find some way to delete some of the Assets in the Assets panel because, 1. they're random irrelevant pictures that, to be frank, I had 0 idea were even on my damned harddrive, and 2. they're taking up valuable visual real estate.
But uh, yeah, still kind of screwing around with the basic stuff of HTML/CSS/javascript and while the coding is like, kinda navigable Dreamweaver seems to make doing things other than just inputting code exceptionally irritating! I'm sure one day I'll have the patience to sit through a Lynda.com tutorial that isn't super dull and super covering the most truly basic aspect of literally every part of the program, but tonight shall not be that night.
I've tried for three years straight to get into a fuckin' Web Design class at this school and every year I fail, so I took it upon myself and isn't that always just the truest expression of a desire to learn?
Coding!
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EDIT: Also, GO TLO AND ShoWTimE!
EDIT: I figured I'd show the Zbrush dynamesh I've been procrastinating on via coding. 
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Will post a blog on the Zbrush sculpt once more significant progress has been made on him. Preferably involving some hard surface sculpting!
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Canada16217 Posts
Hahaha dreamweaver is shit for coding. Good luck man
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Why not use one of the more conventional integrated developement enviroments (IDE's) like eclipse, Netbeans or IntelliJ?
I have used Eclipse for website developement and it was pretty nice. It has a build in browser to view the raw sites and it has support for running servers inside its enviroment which you can use to actually interact with your website on the fly.
But seriously, a professional would not try to create everything by him/herself. Frameworks have been created for the purpose of reducing errors, improving performance and saving time. Companies LOVE to see somebody who has experience with the big frameworks because the companies use them too. If I had a job application from somebody who did everything himself I would immediately know that hes no good as a software developer. Maybe a good coder, but not a good software developer.
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Bisutopia19246 Posts
Well fortunately HTML & CSS & Javascript doesn't count as coding. :D
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find a single , indepth tutorial on making a website in c# or php and then afterwards do some tutorial with html5. this will give you experience with the most common backend and frontend implementations
if i were to take a guess, the most common "code" thing for a graphics person to be involved in would be something like css, html5 (interactive/flashy frontend) and Wordpress
in my very limited experience, people in jobs don't share roles and an employer will want you to be very good at 1 thing . they will not require you to have any knowledge of programming if you are in an art role (unless its relevant art technology). they will just want you to be very good at what they need you to do and already have people who are dedicated coders.
on one hand , you may find you are good at coding and prefer it to art , and also showing people you have made effort to learn a variety of things demonstrates very strong character to an employer.
on the other hand, programming is entirely exhausting and miserable if you aren't that good at it and don't want to live your life as a machine . and your employer will want you to be the best at what they're paying you for: alternative interests and hobbies are not usually in line with this and might be seen as disadvantages
post more of your stuff if u can, im a programmer interested in becoming an artist and curious :D
i subscribed to sakichan the other day so i got some tutorial backlog for the future lol
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On January 23 2016 18:16 Zambrah wrote:I'm not really aiming for a coding/software development job so much as a 3D modelling/concept artist job, which is more Photoshop painting, Zbrush modelling and Maya retopologizing/rigging/animating.  I just often like to kind of dive in to the base of something, y'know? Its like... I dunno, I like to learn the guts so I can better appreciate the skin? I also have 0 experience in web design/coding/anything remotely related! All I really know/knew was DreamWeaver = Adobe Web Design program, and HTML/CSS is the coding languages to know for web design-y things. Apparently now Adobe has Muse, so maybe I ought to look into that if/when my ventures into Dreamweaver/coding lead me into a dark despair the likes of which I might never emerge. At the very least I've only wasted today dealing with Dreamweaver, I'm sure the basic HTML/CSS lessons can be put to good use once a sane direction has been established lol.
I rate muse, it's pretty good, responsive mode design is coming out soon also.
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On January 23 2016 20:24 BisuDagger wrote:Well fortunately doesn't count as coding. :D + Show Spoiler +C++, C#, Java mans coding languages
JavaScript is coding.
HTML and CSS not so much though.
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United States7316 Posts
+ Show Spoiler +On January 23 2016 20:30 FFGenerations wrote:
find a single , indepth tutorial on making a website in c# or php and then afterwards do some tutorial with html5. this will give you experience with the most common backend and frontend implementations
if i were to take a guess, the most common "code" thing for a graphics person to be involved in would be something like css, html5 (interactive/flashy frontend) and Wordpress
in my very limited experience, people in jobs don't share roles and an employer will want you to be very good at 1 thing . they will not require you to have any knowledge of programming if you are in an art role (unless its relevant art technology). they will just want you to be very good at what they need you to do and already have people who are dedicated coders.
on one hand , you may find you are good at coding and prefer it to art , and also showing people you have made effort to learn a variety of things demonstrates very strong character to an employer.
on the other hand, programming is entirely exhausting and miserable if you aren't that good at it and don't want to live your life as a machine . and your employer will want you to be the best at what they're paying you for: alternative interests and hobbies are not usually in line with this and might be seen as disadvantages
post more of your stuff if u can, im a programmer interested in becoming an artist and curious :D
i subscribed to sakichan the other day so i got some tutorial backlog for the future lol
Yeah, as far as getting a job is concerned I'll need to kind of dig deep and specialize, but at the moment I'm aiming for a certain amount of versatility in preparation for being a part of a pipeline, cause I REALLY don't wanna be the guy that ships a model for rigging and they send it back like "your topology is garbage, do it again, we can't animate this."
+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2016 01:21 RoomOfMush wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2016 20:24 BisuDagger wrote:Well fortunately HTML & CSS & Javascript doesn't count as coding. :D + Show Spoiler +C++, C#, Java mans coding languages JavaScript is coding. HTML and CSS not so much though.
Now you all tell me. :'(
+ Show Spoiler +On January 23 2016 21:22 Ovid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2016 18:16 Zambrah wrote:I'm not really aiming for a coding/software development job so much as a 3D modelling/concept artist job, which is more Photoshop painting, Zbrush modelling and Maya retopologizing/rigging/animating. I just often like to kind of dive in to the base of something, y'know? Its like... I dunno, I like to learn the guts so I can better appreciate the skin? I also have 0 experience in web design/coding/anything remotely related! All I really know/knew was DreamWeaver = Adobe Web Design program, and HTML/CSS is the coding languages to know for web design-y things. Apparently now Adobe has Muse, so maybe I ought to look into that if/when my ventures into Dreamweaver/coding lead me into a dark despair the likes of which I might never emerge. At the very least I've only wasted today dealing with Dreamweaver, I'm sure the basic HTML/CSS lessons can be put to good use once a sane direction has been established lol. I rate muse, it's pretty good, responsive mode design is coming out soon also.
I think Im going to get Adobe CC today and try Muse out. Take advantage of the discounted rate since Im a student for the next... 4 months... oh god... forgive me while I sob quietly in the corner and lament the difficulties of my future.
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for 1 of my customers i have to generate HTML using two things called Visual Foxpro 9 and West Wind Connection....
so quit your whining.
"I have no idea how to properly manage anything with regards to web design in Dreamweaver"
as you've experienced and i can confirm. Dreamweaver sucks balls. stop using it.
if you really want to be a code-warrior then a text editor is an essential weapon in your arsenal. Due to my background in Linux I've grown most comfortable with a variation of Emacs. For most middle of the road people new to the world of coding i recommend Notepad++ .
that said, all of these are viable options...
http://lifehacker.com/five-best-text-editors-1564907215
If you want to be a visual designer guy who dabbles in the web site building side and want automated tools to generate your content i have zero advice on what kind of tool to use.
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On January 23 2016 20:24 BisuDagger wrote:Well fortunately doesn't count as coding. :D + Show Spoiler +C++, C#, Java mans coding languages
Pfft, a REAL coder use FORTRAN.
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Italy12246 Posts
Oh dear god fortran. You have no idea how many scientists still use that clusterfuck, it's insane. And yeah coding's hard...i'm still mildly surprised when my stuff compiles and/or runs properly, and i use mostly Python and IDL xD
Also i love xkcd
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Ahh, I know all too well about fortran... sorry FORTRAN!!! (I imagine it shouted, just like its variables, as it is all-caps). I'm your buddy physicist.
The one experience I have actually coding in it, I spent a full two days debugging a 150 line piece of code where I had changes a single line. A single line from something like
CWAS=HBAR*4
to
JWAS=HBAR*2
or something like that.
The problem you ask?
Well, turns out variables starting with M, N or I or J default to integers, and any decimals are truncated, which turned JWAS, and the output of the program, to 0.
Good times.
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Italy12246 Posts
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The perl one made me laugh
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