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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
August 21 2015 06:43 GMT
#21
I think Ghostcrawler balance is great for making money by creating superiorp2wchamps
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TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
August 21 2015 08:26 GMT
#22
I don't like Riot's balancing but pinning it on Ghostcrawler is silly, League was bad before he came and WoW continues to be poor after he left.
rip
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
August 21 2015 18:26 GMT
#23
On August 21 2015 04:47 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 03:15 Reson wrote:
Well Leshrac could be countered by BKB and AM. Countered/counter picking doesn't mean auto win in Dota. Different levels of execution give you different options to countering things.

I don't believe there is any hero that can be counter picked so badly to be auto lose in a game. Of course if the other team commits their whole line up to dealing with your hero (in pub) then you would hope for your team to take advantage or that.


huskar?
playing huskar vs a lina is practically an auto-lose


I don't play Huskar that much. Care to elaborate?

Won't 1 early point mitigate a lot of her burst or even committing more levels to it?

tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7081 Posts
August 21 2015 18:36 GMT
#24
On August 22 2015 03:26 Reson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 04:47 tehh4ck3r wrote:
On August 21 2015 03:15 Reson wrote:
Well Leshrac could be countered by BKB and AM. Countered/counter picking doesn't mean auto win in Dota. Different levels of execution give you different options to countering things.

I don't believe there is any hero that can be counter picked so badly to be auto lose in a game. Of course if the other team commits their whole line up to dealing with your hero (in pub) then you would hope for your team to take advantage or that.


huskar?
playing huskar vs a lina is practically an auto-lose


I don't play Huskar that much. Care to elaborate?

Won't 1 early point mitigate a lot of her burst or even committing more levels to it?



once she get aghs u are food, and she has a surprising amount of physical damage with fiery soul
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 21 2015 20:22 GMT
#25
On August 22 2015 03:36 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 03:26 Reson wrote:
On August 21 2015 04:47 tehh4ck3r wrote:
On August 21 2015 03:15 Reson wrote:
Well Leshrac could be countered by BKB and AM. Countered/counter picking doesn't mean auto win in Dota. Different levels of execution give you different options to countering things.

I don't believe there is any hero that can be counter picked so badly to be auto lose in a game. Of course if the other team commits their whole line up to dealing with your hero (in pub) then you would hope for your team to take advantage or that.


huskar?
playing huskar vs a lina is practically an auto-lose


I don't play Huskar that much. Care to elaborate?

Won't 1 early point mitigate a lot of her burst or even committing more levels to it?



once she get aghs u are food, and she has a surprising amount of physical damage with fiery soul

And its an item she is going to buy anyways in almost every game against him because he gets a BKB more often than not.
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etofok
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
138 Posts
August 21 2015 22:36 GMT
#26
New meta - Euls Huskar. You can disjoint the Laguna and additional mp / ms is good to have.
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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
August 21 2015 22:38 GMT
#27
I read the reddit post, it's a little depressing ):
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Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
August 22 2015 04:53 GMT
#28
On August 22 2015 07:36 etofok wrote:
New meta - Euls Huskar. You can disjoint the Laguna and additional mp / ms is good to have.

Isn't disjointing the Laguna/Finger projectile so absurdly difficult it's barely worth trying?
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etofok
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
138 Posts
August 22 2015 05:16 GMT
#29
Isn't disjointing the Laguna/Finger projectile so absurdly difficult it's barely worth trying?


It is 0.45 wind-up + 0.25 seconds damage delay which is enough time to react to, it's still hard tho. However she can stun Huskar first then laguna him down anyways
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Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3266 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 04:45:40
August 28 2015 04:41 GMT
#30
Their way of balancing sounds stupid to me. If you make every champ all around and have a similar gameplay, why do you have more than 1 (or 5 if you want to separate them by role)?

The guy who wrote the blog is criticising exactly that. He said that the changing meta is but a change of visuals and only changes small numbers, that it doesnt change the gameplay and doesnt force you to rethink. He implies that their competitive gaming is a way of selling their pub games and that riot is trying hard to create characters and visuals instead of gameplays, which is the the logical consequence if you dont want champions to have big strengths and weaknesses. Sounds very stale to me.

I hope the blog sounds more dramatic than it is >.<
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FarmI3oy
Profile Joined May 2011
United States255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-01 00:15:52
September 01 2015 00:14 GMT
#31
Ghostcrawler game balance in everything done in the past years tries to level the playing field for all characters and classes by giving them the same game mechanics.

Mark my words at first everyone is going to say "THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER"

Then they'll say something like "THERE'S NO DEPTH THIS IS BORING"
FarmI3oy
Profile Joined May 2011
United States255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-01 00:15:37
September 01 2015 00:15 GMT
#32
Derp double
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
September 01 2015 00:20 GMT
#33
joke's on you, LoL's already like that
(unless you buy the newest champions)
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
etofok
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-01 12:55:37
September 01 2015 12:38 GMT
#34
I thought about this write-up a lot even afterwards and I found out that R-P-S dynamic is not the complete one. In fact, it looks like this:

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Because you can't really update game with drastic patches and keep it balanced at the same time. For League, replace rock and scissors with papers.

League has a cool economy model: introduce a plasma gun first and after everyone buys it nerf it down to the rest.
The king, the priest, the rich man—who lives and who dies? Who will the swordsman obey?
FarmI3oy
Profile Joined May 2011
United States255 Posts
September 01 2015 19:05 GMT
#35
On September 01 2015 21:38 etofok wrote:
League has a cool economy model: introduce a plasma gun first and after everyone buys it nerf it down to the rest.


I remember S2games doing the same thing with HON back in the day. They'd release a new hero make you pay for it then weeks later nerf it to almost useless or somewhat balanced levels. Needless to say if you were willing to pay for the new hero or use your in game currency you could easily dominate games with them.

I few from HON that come to mind are Silhouette, Midas, and that one guy with the gun swapping mechanic.
etofok
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
138 Posts
September 01 2015 19:38 GMT
#36
Master Of Arms was insane, my friend with whom I used to play bought it straight away and was rekting left and right. I left HoN when the butterfly hero had been introduced, I've heard some terrific stories about what happened with the game after that point. I liked HoN, actually I liked it x100 more than Dota. I heavily disliked how slow it is, and this ridiculously low camera was driving me insane. However, till this day I wish Valve would buy out S2 Games to bring their cool heroes in.
The king, the priest, the rich man—who lives and who dies? Who will the swordsman obey?
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