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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-12 15:03:31
August 12 2015 06:12 GMT
#1
Update
Based on your nominations, I've created a poll:
Poll: Final Vote

Wind Runner (23)
 
68%

KunnkKa (9)
 
26%

QoP (2)
 
6%

34 total votes

Your vote: Final Vote

(Vote): Wind Runner
(Vote): KunnkKa
(Vote): QoP



http://www.dotabuff.com/players/33682264/matches
I'm done playing prophet... I don't think he's very strong.
sometimes I first pick prophet and entire team devolve into flame fest
I don't think it is helping anyone.

Here is my heros that I've played, plz take a look and get a feel what kind of heros I like to play, and if possible, suggest a hero that I don't already play a lot.
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/33682264/heroes

I need someone that I can first pick w/o worry, which means all of the following:
I need someone that's position 2-4, i.e. not carry nor hard support
I need someone that can function equally well on a winning team as on a losing team
I need someone that has descent scaling into late-game, as pub has troubles closing a game
I need someone that has flexible laning, and someone that ideally win his lane, jungler is ok too
I need someone that has some solo kill potentials, as well as team fight potentials
I need someone that's fun to play. I can play meepo fine, so micro is not an issue (i.e. no viper plz)

So far I'm thinking about kunkka, but I'd love to hear some opinions on some other heros!!!

I am currently 4.1k mmr, and hopefully with enough grinding I can get close to 5k
Ironically, when I started to spam ember my mmr was 4.2k, I really have not made any progress at all...


Once I've decide on a hero based on your suggestions, I'm going to play 100 games of it. My last hero to play 100 games with was ember spirit, which ended up being ok except I can't solo queue with him as much as he loses lane mid usually. In a pub I cannot lose lane.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12037 Posts
August 12 2015 06:24 GMT
#2
Gyrocopter? It will be nerfed even more next patch though. Otherwise this is always good inspiration:
http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/winning
Seems to suggest Ursa matching your expectations.
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
August 12 2015 06:47 GMT
#3
Lina might be a good option, (mid or support)

Tusk would be an option too. (offlane or support)
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 12 2015 06:55 GMT
#4
Leoric

I need someone that's position 2-4, i.e. not carry nor hard support
I need someone that can function equally well on a winning team as on a losing team
I need someone that has descent scaling into late-game, as pub has troubles closing a game
I need someone that has flexible laning, and someone that ideally win his lane, jungler is ok too
I need someone that has some solo kill potentials, as well as team fight potentials
I need someone that's fun to play. I can play meepo fine, so micro is not an issue (i.e. no viper plz)

very level dependent but doesnt really need expensive core items to have an impact. midas would go so well if playing carry. just grab treads stick bm/blink.
The goal is to let the enemy waste their spells on you at the beginning of the fight. the death slow has a huge impact on teamfights and crit scales well that the enemy can't ignore you especially if you jump on their squishy supports.
id be wary first picking him though since he's kinda easy to counter but this can be offset on how flexible he can be with team lineups position wise.
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 12 2015 07:24 GMT
#5
invoker?
Rillanon.au
Ler
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany543 Posts
August 12 2015 07:54 GMT
#6
leshrac leshrac leshrac leshrac leshrac
Twitter: @Ler_GG | Facebook: lergg | youtube: lerlolgg | Twitch.tv/gg_nore | #ArtOfSupport
14CC
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
93 Posts
August 12 2015 09:16 GMT
#7
Techies!
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
August 12 2015 09:53 GMT
#8
TA?
using waga build
passive quaranstream fan
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10853 Posts
August 12 2015 09:56 GMT
#9
Kunkka!
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28098 Posts
August 12 2015 10:35 GMT
#10
Meepo
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4564 Posts
August 12 2015 10:51 GMT
#11
Slardarrrrrrrrrrrrr

Lina or lesh will be good too
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TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-12 11:31:34
August 12 2015 11:30 GMT
#12
What about QoP? Sounds like every point of yours fit her?
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
August 12 2015 11:43 GMT
#13
I think Kunkka is a good suggestion, I dont really see him much in pubs, and a good kunkka can really dominate the game (Not alott of people are super good with the boat and even x + torrent).

I personally love playing Mirana, she is super versatile, and can fuck up any lane with a good arrow.
I usually play her as a 3-4 pos, usually roaming and destroying enemy mids <3
As I see u have played a decent amount of pudge, I think ull like playing her, nothing is quite the same as landing a good hook/arrow ;-)
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4555 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-12 11:53:16
August 12 2015 11:50 GMT
#14
Lycan.

Works great in solo queue.

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/122917966

Jungle him if you don't want to be the carry.
LightTemplar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland481 Posts
August 12 2015 12:12 GMT
#15
Windrunner is also a possibility
"Thoughts are always there, the mind can't stop" - Grubby
CoNRaD
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4 Posts
August 12 2015 12:28 GMT
#16
I pick windrunner too. You can put her in any lane in a pub, her ult makes for an easy rosh, flash farm with powershot, and you can focus down enemy carries with lategame items.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 12 2015 13:02 GMT
#17
Techies! Can only be countered by ban.
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
August 12 2015 13:17 GMT
#18
On August 12 2015 22:02 Skynx wrote:
Techies! Can only be countered by ban.

I can nothing but agree to this
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
August 12 2015 13:46 GMT
#19
This screams leshrac or lina. Maybe ds (can still jungle, but make sure your team doesnt pick a lineup that would require 2-1-2 lanes). Potentially earthshaker.
Liebig
Profile Joined August 2010
France738 Posts
August 12 2015 13:47 GMT
#20
Spirit Breaker, 17% invincible.
Exoteric
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2330 Posts
August 12 2015 14:15 GMT
#21
+1 for windrunner
hell is other people
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 12 2015 14:26 GMT
#22
Wr
kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-12 14:43:30
August 12 2015 14:42 GMT
#23
windranger pretty much fits all your description..

very flexible in laning (can be played as carry, mid, offlane, and little of support), play style, item style, etc

double-shackle can be game changing even if you cant dish out the high dps (if you play as semi carry)
대지따라 돌린게 시간이다.. 흘러가고 돌아오지도 않고..
LightTemplar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland481 Posts
August 12 2015 19:15 GMT
#24
As first suggester of windrunner i demand you cut me into your ti7 winnings
"Thoughts are always there, the mind can't stop" - Grubby
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
August 12 2015 19:47 GMT
#25
On August 13 2015 04:15 LightTemplar wrote:
As first suggester of windrunner i demand you cut me into your ti7 winnings


given the slim chance of me winning any TI sure, you can have 50%
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-13 05:47:59
August 13 2015 05:40 GMT
#26
I was actually about to type "Windrunner" but you already have that on the poll.

Windrunner is good it's not contested like qop also you can play it support/offlane/mid. The hero has good solo kill potential . The hero also has a means of escape and not to mention the nice attack animation. Strong laning and strong nuke.

Don't worry about scaling she can easily kill majority of the heroes with ult during shackleshot duration as long as you are not underfarmed.
this is a quote
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-13 08:10:32
August 13 2015 07:54 GMT
#27
win loss loss win
I don't like that she has no easily executed team fight, but for the most part she's fun to play

how is she mid? I feel she is not too strong actually, lost horribly to a qop because she kept doing blinky blink while i was trying to line up my shacke and I couldn't land my shackle ;/
and her burst is so insane ;/

not bad for the first few games I suppose.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-13 12:19:15
August 13 2015 12:14 GMT
#28
Uhm try to watch some pov's of top mid players currently like rtz or suma1l or s4 they play a lot of WR mid(just search on youtube or w/e). WR mid is actually the best for the hero she gets enough farm that she isn't underfarmed and get those solo pickoffs around level 8-14 .

Well you just have to practice more with the hero the hero is really strong mid like qop/lina tier of laning. lol Try putting an early value point on windrun like level 1 or level 2 you could abuse that and harass the fuck out of the enemy mid. Also try spam harassing powershot like how you do with lina when trying to last hit with dragon slave. She's alot similar to lina when laning except she has the better attack animation and arguably better nuke (cause powershot has insane range) it's arguable which are better at harassing between heroes but i'd put my money on lina due to having a more reliable stun early on and i think faster nuke CD also easier to hit.

It's one of the strongest laners on mid like top 5 or top 10 easily.
this is a quote
NimbusGaming
Profile Joined August 2015
United States1 Post
August 14 2015 04:31 GMT
#29
Her attack animation is one of the best in the game. Abuse that, itemize correctly and you'll be moving up in MMR in no time at all.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
August 14 2015 04:48 GMT
#30
wait i'm pretty sure qop atk animation is superior

also one more question, what to do when they ball up and push a lot? I feel this hero's contribution before agh is fairly weak and you can't do easy teamfights (say compared to gyro)
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
August 14 2015 11:39 GMT
#31
On August 14 2015 13:48 evanthebouncy! wrote:
wait i'm pretty sure qop atk animation is superior

also one more question, what to do when they ball up and push a lot? I feel this hero's contribution before agh is fairly weak and you can't do easy teamfights (say compared to gyro)

If you have no heroes for your team that a shackle can set up an important skill for (i.e., no fighting potential), then just split push. She isn't very tanky early, but pushes quickly, can do that from distance and windrun allows you to just tp safely if you get jumped on regardless and survive the nukes.
Either way, if your team can't contribute to fights, you aren't that big of a deal, so keep farming.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 14 2015 11:59 GMT
#32
wr
learn to stack multiple camps at once as support :D
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