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You make some good points but then you almost invalidate them by whining about stupid dumb bullshit.
YOU are responsible for being DDOS'd. Yeah yeah sure so is the person doing it, but if you can't fucking protect yourself then don't whine that tourney admins unpause because you and your team can't get your fucking shit together. Read Destiny's guide and stop making games a fucking JOKE for yourselves, for casters and for viewers. This constant pausing because of DDOS is what will kill Dota 2 in the long run.
And secondly it isn't up to casters to be nice to you. Waaah waaah they were saying mean things as we lost. It isn't their job to be nice. You can criticise them for a lack of knowledge and an inability to consider why a player might make a certain decision but they aren't there to consider your feelings. Holy shit fuck off if you want them to hand you a tissue and say nice things about you on a stream. They're there to cast and to entertain. This applies to tourney admins too; they aren't there to be nice and considerate. They're there to uphold and enforce rules.
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I don't see how this is all "only complaning" unless you're on some kind of cliche EE hating bandwagon or if you believe sharing qualitative experience in a slightly negative way is always complaining. Tbh I didn't find this blog negative in the slightest and to me it seems like an assessment of how stuff has been happening from a determined point of view, mostly an exercise in memory, wishes and expectations. Nice read and points and gl in next tournaments EE
People are seemingly responding to this social norm that dictates you must find some meaningless nitpick that has nothing to do at all with the point of the blog and use that nitpick to make the whole blog invalid as if it made a sir, a memer or a smart person of yourself when doing this, seems just like partaking on the slow collective lynching of someone. I mean, the guy above me goes on and on about DDOS when DDOS wasn't even a point(DDOS was mentioned so EE could make ammends with Andrey, lol). If you're hating without even reading or comprehending text it shows you're here solely to hate on someone you already hated.
Also, if casters are assholes while "doing their job" people might not like it and have something to say the same way they had something to laugh at when seeing a team losing on stage. It's their job as well not to care and to man up to it, isn't it? Stop being unrealistic and recognize that good relationship between casters and players are good for both parties involved in a scene made up of the same people always. This is not like football in which you have hundreds of teams, hundreds of pro matches and tournaments and hundreds of casters, pro DotA is closely intertwined and burnt bridges hurt the overall system.
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On April 30 2015 00:12 PagePincher wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 23:57 So5low wrote:On April 29 2015 23:49 PagePincher wrote:
Afaik, well known artist usually take percentage and they are usually more or less 30%. That 30% was counted after valve took their cut(for tournament bundle). I remember artist in polycount posted that they doesn't want to take less than 30% because it isn't worth their time. Some even goes for 50% because their hats are usually that drive people to buy online tickets. Anyway most of the complain by you is just infrastructure problem where no organization want to invest. Tournaments are businesses and their customers are fans. Players are just commodity to gain fans and sponsors and with big enough pots, you could get them e.g summit 2. I might sounds mean but it's the truth. Anything else, they give zero care. Dota players have endured worse than this e.g Maelk and Mania. It was much worse back then and e-sport has come this far where price pool and sponsor could give a career to players. Tbh, your complains to me sound like stresses from losses and it bear frustration to everything else you can't change. I am just a dota2 fan so i don't know much about behind the scene and what's really going on besides picking up from articles to articles. You have come this far and i thought you have prepared for this when you left college. Maybe time to take a step back and think about what drive you so far? You need to find a real people to talk outside the internet, man. People that listen to your complain and give you real advices. Good luck , EE. I really want to watch your games on summit 3 and not ended up disappointed. Sure times changed and the present state cant compare to what it was back then.But if we dont adress issues like these we cannot go forward and grow as a sport or w/e. It's been five years and the only competition with perfect services is TI because valve the one that dare to spend a lot and manage it properly. Valve take no stances outside of their steam and TI competitive scene. Hence, it's "free market" and organizer can do whatever the fuck they want. The issues will come down to basically money. EE's complaint on unable to arrive earlier on sl12 because sponsor doesn't spare them money for extra day in the hotel. Those booth complains are money. It's something we can't do shit about unless you fork out money and scream to organizer to put a % of those compendium into buying chairs/booths. But then it will still abuseable(sponsor could claim any expenses). Now, i understand why Maelk praise Riot for their LCS despite his insult to the game itself. On the other hand, we have Valve Major League Gaming. It will be a step-up to "free market" tournaments i hope.
Your point is mute since EE said that the team were prepared to pay for the extra stay...And actually having some common sense about acoustics can change alot as EE said himself.Yeah the market is free but you cant expect everyone to be happy when you do the bare minimum in organization terms.
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I'm definitely not a EE fan, and does not share all your views but thanks for the quality blog post and your insights about how tournament are run. They might not change everything, but that's helpful for sure.
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hehe, you should have seen how shit it was back in 2004-2005.
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I like your blogs. You are right, you speak for more than yourself now, but you are luckily in a position to do so. The lesser known players in old mTw and Mouz did not have the luxury of fame and fan support, but you do, so it's good that you bring up these issues, whereas other players may jeopardize their position in doing so.
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Fuck a filter, keep writing like this. Pretty embarrassing how abysmal some of these events are ran - and how little Valve does about it.
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Thank you EE, I enjoyed the read as always
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It's annoying when Thorin talks about the Dota scene and stuff he doesn't know about, like this EE thing, because I've seen him then bitch about the Dota community after they say what he said was wrong. It's annoying as hell.
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On April 30 2015 01:23 Procake wrote:
It's annoying when Thorin talks about the Dota scene and stuff he doesn't know about, like this EE thing, because I've seen him then bitch about the Dota community after they say what he said was wrong. It's annoying as hell.
he thinks because he has a soapbox and has a "tell it like it is" personality; he can just offer whatever sort of criticism he sees fit
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It's no wonder that Loda got mad because his girlfriends being used by cheap fucks who wouldn't even think of compensating people in anyway.
I don't understand. Kelly could have rejected it and why are you mad when she did it out of her own good will knowing she might not be compensated? It happened multiple time too; I don't know whether she's dumb or her team got something back (maybe you know invited?)
Still, i was thankful for the live translation. It was much better than telephone translator and you can listen to players thought right after their matches.
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I want you to know, EE, that I appreciate you so much in the scene for saying these things even if they're not true.
If people start to be satisfied with poor conditions, the scene really will become a joke, please don't listen too much to people who tell you that you should be satisfied just because people the first BW pros or the first people who went to dota lan tournaments had shitty conditions, that doesn't mean that it was OK back then nor does it mean that it is okay now.
Oh god that was formulated poorly, oh well, hope people catch my drift.
Lastly, I'll be cheering for you and c9 <3
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Why is this community news? This is a blog.
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You know mumble has essentially no delay? Back in TF2 we used to run ventrillo on lan. I ran it side by side with mumble and the difference is easily noticeable.. like a full second. Everyone switched from vent/ts/whatever to mumble within a few months in that community because it is the lowest latency solution.
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I appreciate the insight, but it really feels to me like EE has never ever organized anything himself... . There is just soo much unneccesary complaining in there. Sure, there are major issues that should be avoided, but please be grateful that you can play on such a stage and that people run it for you! There is a lot of work behind it and not everything can be thought of. After all, saying "we are at a stage where this and that shouldn't happen" is plain wrong. Dota has been thrown lots and lots of money within 2-3 years. That is no timescale for development! It just doesn't happen that fast. And most of the money went into TI anyways - a well run tournament with a big organization behind it. Smaller tournaments still rely on people doing a lot of work for free. And many (though thankfully not all) of the complaints from EEsama are just throwing mud in their faces... . Really, being professional also means that one can play under stressfull circumstances in unfamiliar environments, with not eeeverything running smoothly (I need to exclude technical issues like non-functional PCs though). I mean: YOU GET PAID FOR IT! Imagine a band playing bad just because their shower was too cold or the floor of the stage too soft. Sounds ridiculous to me... . Professionals should deliver and show good performance no matter what. That's what the phrase "The show must go on" stands for. And if chairs or missing leg-space makes you play bad ... well, then there is something else wrong and one should maybe adjust some mental strength. After all, everybody is playing under the same circumstances and it doesn't seem to affect all that badly.
My thought: Try to find the guy again who gets excited when going on a LAN and don't worry about the rest. Do your best and have fun. That's what fans want to see.
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Dont be petty EE and dont use your starpower to press unpaid volunteers,be more humble and down to earth.
You are right in some things but some of your points seems completely unreasonable in my eyes like private washroom,chair and monitor ''problems'' etc.You sound like a spoiled diva that complains about irrelevant things.
The ''i m fighting for my dreams'' doesnt justifies everything.Hey i dont flame you ''i m fighting for my dreams''.In fact nobody cares about your dreams.
Anyway i like you and i dont want to see you under the title of most detestable dota player.
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everyone has the same conditions on lan events.
its just another EE whine thread: "mimimi my mom didnt bag my sleeping bunny. thats why i couldnt play as good."
a REAL professional, would NEVER complain about such things in public.
he would reach out for the tournament hosts before the next event and ask for e.g. the "seating conditions"
and try to adapt/prepare to/for it.
i remember kuroky say that he never uses mousedrivers, because you cant be sure your drivers work on lan computers.
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so if you dont know what seats will be in place for you at the tournament - guess what!?
prepare for the worst. play 1-2 days a week with that conditions at home in the 2 month you prepare for the tournament.
but dont complain about tournaments not having organised 50 seats that cost 500 bucks each, just to make little EE having his sleeping bunny back.
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On April 30 2015 03:14 ScarPe wrote:
everyone has the same conditions on lan events.
its just another EE whine thread: "mimimi my mom didnt bag my sleeping bunny. thats why i couldnt play as good."
a REAL professional, would NEVER complain about such things in public.
he would reach out for the tournament hosts before the next event and ask for e.g. the "seating conditions"
and try to adapt/prepare to/for it.
i remember kuroky say that he never uses mousedrivers, because you cant be sure your drivers work on lan computers.
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so if you dont know what seats will be in place for you at the tournament - guess what!?
prepare for the worst. play 1-2 days a week with that conditions at home in the 2 month you prepare for the tournament.
but dont complain about tournaments not having organised 50 seats that cost 500 bucks each, just to make little EE having his sleeping bunny back.
Professional sports player used to have to work during off season (and some during season) with terrible travel arrangement and accommodation, but they don't any more, that's progress. When a tournament have a prize pool of 100k+, it should act differently from one with 500. If esports want to be taken seriously, it need to first act seriously.
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This reminds me of Movie Stars that whine because they are so popular that people want to take pictures of them and they need their privacy. Similar to that situation, EE doesn't like many things that are happening in the Dota2 scene. Some understandable, some not (to me). However, EE gets to PLAY VIDEO GAMES for a living. I'm sure millions upon millions of people would give everything they have to be in that situation. I don't feel sorry for him one bit. I would gladly have a little girl yelling close to me and have no private bathroom if I got to play video games as my full time job.
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On April 30 2015 03:25 rageoverrun wrote:
This reminds me of Movie Stars that whine because they are so popular that people want to take pictures of them and they need their privacy. Similar to that situation, EE doesn't like many things that are happening in the Dota2 scene. Some understandable, some not (to me). However, EE gets to PLAY VIDEO GAMES for a living. I'm sure millions upon millions of people would give everything they have to be in that situation. I don't feel sorry for him one bit. I would gladly have a little girl yelling close to me and have no private bathroom if I got to play video games as my full time job.
The "HE PLAYS VIDEO GAMES FOR A LIVING" as a way to act like they can't complain about things is stupid. It's the equivalent of the "There are people starving in Africa so you shouldn't complain about your life" line.
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