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On April 29 2015 23:03 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
You have so much in terms of ideas, but it's like I'm reading without my glasses on :/
Kind of like me reading my own math work a day after the test
"100%"
I can't even tell where my answer is, but it's there
You should reread your blogs and change any sentence that goes on for too long, or any sentence where you stop reading to look at it again.
Anyways, gl man
He's not a blog writer. Why don't you edit it instead of complaining?
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Just wanted to let you know that I stayed up to late at night to watch the games at starladder cheering C9 on at night. Too bad you guys didn't make it to the finals, but rest assured that I throughly enjoyed all the games. Not that relevant to the blog but oh well.
Also, I recommend the Baby Steps manga / anime, very good competitive spirit IMO.
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I don't see why pros don't just suck it up and get proper DDOS protection and whatnot. I mean it's like if I am required to have a car to get to work, I get a car to get to work or I don't work, it should be simple as that. You kinda need to see it from a viewers standpoint as well, some has paid money to watch you play only to have it be interrupted because some people are too lazy to protect themselves against DDOS (and getting DDOS'd should NOT be a suprise, it happens all the time). I mean it's really a bitchslap to the face of your fans if you keep letting yourself get DDOS'd so they have to wait like an hour to watch your game (which they might have paid for a ticket to watch).
I understand it's stressful for you as well, so I don't really see why it isn't taken more seriously. You also need to take into consideration that even though you are only affected by DDOS lets say once a week, a viewer might have to sit through many hours of DDOS every week, just because no pros have taken the nessecary steps to prevent DDOS.
Not to sound entitled as a viewer, but the fans are what makes everything possible.
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I feel like that Thorin guy is out of line criticizing Envy about LANS he himself does not attend as an outsider of the community. I wish envy would address his literally ridiculous tweet that also does not provide a valid point.
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On April 29 2015 23:10 BigO wrote:
I don't see why pros don't just suck it up and get proper DDOS protection and whatnot. I mean it's like if I am required to have a car to get to work, I get a car to get to work or I don't work, it should be simple as that. You kinda need to see it from a viewers standpoint as well, some has paid money to watch you play only to have it be interrupted because some people are too lazy to protect themselves against DDOS (and getting DDOS'd should NOT be a suprise, it happens all the time). I mean it's really a bitchslap to the face of your fans if you keep letting yourself get DDOS'd so they have to wait like an hour to watch your game (which they might have paid for a ticket to watch).
I understand it's stressful for you as well, so I don't really see why it isn't taken more seriously. You also need to take into consideration that even though you are only affected by DDOS lets say once a week, a viewer might have to sit through many hours of DDOS every week, just because no pros have taken the nessecary steps to prevent DDOS.
Not to sound entitled as a viewer, but the fans are what makes everything possible.
Can you imagine people paying for some sophisticated ddos protection from the hundreds of thousands of dollars they are making from tournaments,salaries and streams ? Easier to whine about betting sites.
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On April 29 2015 23:00 Darkwish_inc wrote:
Actually the artists get majority of the money from these tourny boosting bundles and such not the organisers.[/QUOTE]
Im not sure you realize how much money in the form of compendiums are made.Im sure the artists get a summ but still there are alot of money left to go around.SL made ~163 000$ from compendiums alone(not taking into account the 50k+ that went into the prize pool).Lets say the artist gets 10k.and Valve take w/e they take and u pay ur staff.And thats when 25% of the compendium prize goes to the price pool of the tournament.Previous SLs only gave 10% of the compendiums sells to the prize pool.I think theres enough money to go around.But ofc these are guesses,there are no official receipts to where our money go,except for hats.
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On April 29 2015 22:53 Leyra wrote:
These blogs get old, cause every time it's just EE complaining about every little thing. The tone at this point sounds like a kid complaining about all the little stuff that anyone has to deal with in their every day jobs. Someone who focuses only on the negative aspects of their job, etc.
Not saying there isn't validity to the complaints, but for me, it gets old, that's all.
First off, sup Leyra. Second yeah agreed i'm sure a lot of this is true and things need to change but offering constructive feedback would be better than just complaining. The complaining gets old fast
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On April 29 2015 23:19 So5low wrote:Actually the artists get majority of the money from these tourny boosting bundles and such not the organisers.
Im not sure you realize how much money in the form of compendiums are made.Im sure the artists get a summ but still there are alot of money left to go around.SL made ~75 000$ from compendiums alone.Lets say the artist gets 10k.and Valve take w/e they take and u pay ur staff.And thats when 25% of the compendium prize goes to the price pool of the tournament.Previous SLs only gave 10% of the compendiums sells to the prize pool.I think theres enough money to go around.But ofc these are guesses,there are no official receipts to where our money go,except for hats.
iirc artists get about %80-90 of the money after prizepool and valve cuts are gone, you seem to think tournaments are swimming in money meanwhile artists are getting pocket change. Check whos actually buying houses with their profits dude :D
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who cares if dac hasn't paid you yet, we still haven't got the compendium emoticons yet 
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On April 29 2015 23:26 Darkwish_inc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 23:19 So5low wrote:On April 29 2015 23:00 Darkwish_inc wrote:
Actually the artists get majority of the money from these tourny boosting bundles and such not the organisers. Show nested quote +
Im not sure you realize how much money in the form of compendiums are made.Im sure the artists get a summ but still there are alot of money left to go around.SL made ~163 000$ from compendiums alone(not taking into account the 50k+ that went into the prize pool
).Lets say the artist gets 10k.and Valve take w/e they take and u pay ur staff.And thats when 25% of the compendium prize goes to the price pool of the tournament.Previous SLs only gave 10% of the compendiums sells to the prize pool.I think theres enough money to go around.But ofc these are guesses,there are no official receipts to where our money go,except for hats.
iirc artists get about %80-90 of the money after prizepool and valve cuts are gone, you seem to think tournaments are swimming in money meanwhile artists are getting pocket change. Check whos actually buying houses with their profits dude :D
Im far from the thought that artists get "pocket change" they prolly make more than the players.But the money that are made from compendiums is actually insane not to mention stream etc.
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In case you read the comments here, I have some questions to ask.
Do you or other players directly communicate with tournament organizers and admins regarding the conditions? By this I don't mean just quickly shouting something to get fixed, but instead maybe sitting down with a head admin or an organizer for a few minutes after the event is over to give your feedback in private. Maybe they do some really stupid stuff one time, but they really have no excuse if you talk with them and explain how something is not acceptable in person. I'm sure there are a bunch of people involved who don't have much experience in running an event or understanding what the players absolutely need, so they miss even some very obvious things at first. If you have tried this, can you have a proper conversation with them or do they not care about what you have to say? Maybe I am delusional and they just disappear and it's hard to do this, but I feel that if you want stuff to be improved you need to talk with the people involved directly.
Of course one problem here is that there are lots of different organizers, but I feel with the majors you are now more in a position where you can choose. You can play the majors, and then you can play at other events that you trust will be decent, whether it's ESL, SL, MLG or whatever.
When it comes to casters, do you communicate directly with them if they said something you really didn't like? I feel it would be much easier for them to understand what they did wrong if the feedback came directly and in private.
Of course improving events or the casting quality is not your responsibility, but clearly you still spend some energy thinking about both. Then it would be good to do it as efficiently as possible. As far as whether you should write blogs that are not just about your own team or something, I don't think there is anything wrong with telling about how things are but you have to be somewhat careful in how you phrase things. I'm sure there are a lot of things that can be improved in almost any tournament, or any cast or whatever, but people don't tend to react all that well if you list all sorts of bad things, especially in public. Much like it's annoying for a player to hear casters throw around some memes about a player when something important happened in a game, it's also not necessarily easy to be publicly criticized whether you are an organizer or a caster. Maybe sometimes they deserve it, but always try to consider whether you could improve the situation more by talking with them in private.
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On April 29 2015 23:32 So5low wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 23:26 Darkwish_inc wrote:On April 29 2015 23:19 So5low wrote:On April 29 2015 23:00 Darkwish_inc wrote:
Actually the artists get majority of the money from these tourny boosting bundles and such not the organisers.
Im not sure you realize how much money in the form of compendiums are made.Im sure the artists get a summ but still there are alot of money left to go around.SL made ~163 000$ from compendiums alone(not taking into account the 50k+ that went into the prize pool
).Lets say the artist gets 10k.and Valve take w/e they take and u pay ur staff.And thats when 25% of the compendium prize goes to the price pool of the tournament.Previous SLs only gave 10% of the compendiums sells to the prize pool.I think theres enough money to go around.But ofc these are guesses,there are no official receipts to where our money go,except for hats.
iirc artists get about %80-90 of the money after prizepool and valve cuts are gone, you seem to think tournaments are swimming in money meanwhile artists are getting pocket change. Check whos actually buying houses with their profits dude :D Im far from the thought that artists get "pocket change" they prolly make more than the players.But the money that are made from compendiums is actually insane not to mention stream etc.
And why do you think compendium money doesnt go to artist? Not sure how much they make from streams but i doubt its that substantial.
Tournaments no doubt make money but not in the amount most people think they do, far from it. Hell LD was saying the last Summit actually barely covered the costs. Although i believe this latest season will actually let them profit.
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Im not sure you realize how much money in the form of compendiums are made.Im sure the artists get a summ but still there are alot of money left to go around.SL made ~75 000$ from compendiums alone.Lets say the artist gets 10k.and Valve take w/e they take and u pay ur staff.And thats when 25% of the compendium prize goes to the price pool of the tournament.Previous SLs only gave 10% of the compendiums sells to the prize pool.I think theres enough money to go around.But ofc these are guesses,there are no official receipts where our money go,except for hats.
Afaik, well known artist usually take percentage and they are usually more or less 30%. That 30% was counted after valve took their cut(for tournament bundle). I remember artist in polycount posted that they doesn't want to take less than 30% because it isn't worth their time. Some even goes for 50% because their hats are usually that drive people to buy online tickets.
Anyway most of the complain by you is just infrastructure problem where no organization want to invest. Tournaments are businesses and their customers are fans. Players are just commodity to gain fans and sponsors and with big enough pots, you could get them e.g summit 2. I might sounds mean but it's the truth. Anything else, they give zero care.
Dota players have endured worse than this e.g Maelk and Mania. It was much worse back then and e-sport has come this far where price pool and sponsor could give a career to players. Tbh, your complains to me sound like stresses from losses and it bear frustration to everything else you can't change.
I am just a dota2 fan so i don't know much about behind the scene and what's really going on besides picking up from articles to articles. You have come this far and i thought you have prepared for this when you left college. Maybe time to take a step back and think about what drive you so far? You need to find a real people to talk outside the internet, man. People that listen to your complain and give you real advices.
Good luck , EE. I really want to watch your games on summit 3 and not ended up disappointed.
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On April 29 2015 23:40 Darkwish_inc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 23:32 So5low wrote:On April 29 2015 23:26 Darkwish_inc wrote:On April 29 2015 23:19 So5low wrote:On April 29 2015 23:00 Darkwish_inc wrote:
Actually the artists get majority of the money from these tourny boosting bundles and such not the organisers.
Im not sure you realize how much money in the form of compendiums are made.Im sure the artists get a summ but still there are alot of money left to go around.SL made ~163 000$ from compendiums alone(not taking into account the 50k+ that went into the prize pool
).Lets say the artist gets 10k.and Valve take w/e they take and u pay ur staff.And thats when 25% of the compendium prize goes to the price pool of the tournament.Previous SLs only gave 10% of the compendiums sells to the prize pool.I think theres enough money to go around.But ofc these are guesses,there are no official receipts to where our money go,except for hats.
iirc artists get about %80-90 of the money after prizepool and valve cuts are gone, you seem to think tournaments are swimming in money meanwhile artists are getting pocket change. Check whos actually buying houses with their profits dude :D Im far from the thought that artists get "pocket change" they prolly make more than the players.But the money that are made from compendiums is actually insane not to mention stream etc. And why do you think compendium money doesnt go to artist? Not sure how much they make from streams but i doubt its that substantial. Tournaments no doubt make money but not in the amount most people think they do, far from it. Hell LD was saying the last Summit actually barely covered the costs. Although i believe this latest season will actually let them profit.
I doubt that the artists take all the compendium money.As I said these are just guesses based on the compendiums sales.You cant deny that streams make money with all these ads.If they cant make profit when this amount of money that are "in play" then thats prolly poor management Id guess.
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That's interesting about the TS3 being so delayed. Do the tournament organizers not provide a TS3 server for you to use on the LAN? There should be no latency when you're all next to each other. Maybe that's something tourney organizers can improve - set up a local TS3 / Vent / Mumble on the LAN for any teams who want to use it.
Skype will always be shit since it's P2P and probably doesn't even realize you're on the same LAN.
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On April 29 2015 23:49 PagePincher wrote:Afaik, well known artist usually take percentage and they are usually more or less 30%. That 30% was counted after valve took their cut(for tournament bundle). I remember artist in polycount posted that they doesn't want to take less than 30% because it isn't worth their time. Some even goes for 50% because their hats are usually that drive people to buy online tickets. Anyway most of the complain by you is just infrastructure problem where no organization want to invest. Tournaments are businesses and their customers are fans. Players are just commodity to gain fans and sponsors and with big enough pots, you could get them e.g summit 2. I might sounds mean but it's the truth. Anything else, they give zero care. Dota players have endured worse than this e.g Maelk and Mania. It was much worse back then and e-sport has come this far where price pool and sponsor could give a career to players. Tbh, your complains to me sound like stresses from losses and it bear frustration to everything else you can't change. I am just a dota2 fan so i don't know much about behind the scene and what's really going on besides picking up from articles to articles. You have come this far and i thought you have prepared for this when you left college. Maybe time to take a step back and think about what drive you so far? You need to find a real people to talk outside the internet, man. People that listen to your complain and give you real advices. Good luck , EE. I really want to watch your games on summit 3 and not ended up disappointed.
Sure times changed and the present state cant compare to what it was back then.But if we dont adress issues like these we cannot go forward and grow as a sport or w/e.
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Glad you came out to talk about it.
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On April 29 2015 23:57 So5low wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 23:49 PagePincher wrote:
Afaik, well known artist usually take percentage and they are usually more or less 30%. That 30% was counted after valve took their cut(for tournament bundle). I remember artist in polycount posted that they doesn't want to take less than 30% because it isn't worth their time. Some even goes for 50% because their hats are usually that drive people to buy online tickets. Anyway most of the complain by you is just infrastructure problem where no organization want to invest. Tournaments are businesses and their customers are fans. Players are just commodity to gain fans and sponsors and with big enough pots, you could get them e.g summit 2. I might sounds mean but it's the truth. Anything else, they give zero care. Dota players have endured worse than this e.g Maelk and Mania. It was much worse back then and e-sport has come this far where price pool and sponsor could give a career to players. Tbh, your complains to me sound like stresses from losses and it bear frustration to everything else you can't change. I am just a dota2 fan so i don't know much about behind the scene and what's really going on besides picking up from articles to articles. You have come this far and i thought you have prepared for this when you left college. Maybe time to take a step back and think about what drive you so far? You need to find a real people to talk outside the internet, man. People that listen to your complain and give you real advices. Good luck , EE. I really want to watch your games on summit 3 and not ended up disappointed. Sure times changed and the present state cant compare to what it was back then.But if we dont adress issues like these we cannot go forward and grow as a sport or w/e.
It's been five years and the only competition with perfect services is TI because valve the one that dare to spend a lot and manage it properly. Valve take no stances outside of their steam and TI competitive scene. Hence, it's "free market" and organizer can do whatever the fuck they want.
The issues will come down to basically money. EE's complaint on unable to arrive earlier on sl12 because sponsor doesn't spare them money for extra day in the hotel. Those booth complains are money. It's something we can't do shit about unless you fork out money and scream to organizer to put a % of those compendium into buying chairs/booths. But then it will still abuseable(sponsor could claim any expenses).
Now, i understand why Maelk praise Riot for their LCS despite his insult to the game itself. On the other hand, we have Valve Major League Gaming. It will be a step-up to "free market" tournaments i hope.
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Good read. Thanks for writing this!
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