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On April 29 2015 22:53 Leyra wrote:
These blogs get old, cause every time it's just EE complaining about every little thing. The tone at this point sounds like a kid complaining about all the little stuff that anyone has to deal with in their every day jobs. Someone who focuses only on the negative aspects of their job, etc.
Not saying there isn't validity to the complaints, but for me, it gets old, that's all.
Okay this is just stupid, can we not talk about ways to improve tournaments?
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if its hard to remember stuff from the past, and if you were gonna keep on writing blogs, i would suggest taking like 5 minutes after each day, maybe before you go to bed, to just write down some thoughts that you had for the day.
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On April 30 2015 10:06 Aui_2000 wrote:
Pushing for positive change in your profession should be both a respectable and expected thing. I see a lot of comments about how he's lucky to get to play video games for a living and therefore he should just take every bad thing slung at him. While partially true in that we're all lucky to get to play for a living I think it's incredibly shortsighted to not expect players to want better conditions and to overall grow their scene.
Well said Aui. I don't think this is something that many people will fully understand, but it should ring true for anyone who is passionate about the work they do.
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I get the feeling titansfan simply looked at EE's statements and said "how can I best disagree with this"..
thanks aui for offering additional insight
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On April 30 2015 10:06 Aui_2000 wrote:I'll take this because as much as I don't agree with Envy on some points nor how he's presenting them, I think he still has some good points and his intentions are to improve the scene. Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 05:55 titansfan wrote:I'm bored, so let's break down this post: On April 29 2015 22:26 EternaLEnVy wrote:DAC had admins that didn't play DotA sleeping during matches... In most other competitive activities I would agree that a referee (of sorts) not ever having played the activity in question and sleeping during the competition is probably a bad thing. In DotA games however... why does it even matter? In the unlikely event an Admin is actually needed (e.g. "help our teammate's entire computer exploded and his organs all fell out") then any half-brained human being can figure out how to handle that situation. It's not like they are there to call penalties and review film. I feel like criticizing someone for asking for competent admins is reaching a bit. We (EG) personally had problems with the admins at DAC because we would ask for the room temperature to be adjusted 5+ times a day and it wouldn't get done. Admins not being able to communicate with the players should be something that is addressed. I don't think there's an argument against that one. I will say that when we asked for a translator they did their best to get one and they probably had a similar understanding of the hotel temperature control as we did--that is little to none. Show nested quote +...bad setup (no armrest chairs, curved super big monitors, tables that had 0 leg room, etc... I hate to break it to you, but you're playing a Moba for money at a non-valve sponsored tournament. Lebron James has had to endure playing an NBA Finals game without air conditioning. You're one of the best at the video game that you are playing, but at the end of the day accommodating to specific EE comfort standards for play isn't an organizer's priority. Plus, as one of the best, you should man up and deal with it. Complaining about that stuff is weak. I feel like standardizing chairs, monitors, tables etc is both good for the industry and the players. I've talked to numerous people in marketing in esports and using the same set ups as the pros is a big thing. Pushing for standardization not only elevates the level of play in tournaments but is also good for sponsors and thus the scene. I think the reason why physical settings are complained about a lot is because they are the easiest thing to fix that are also the most impactful to players. I could not play dota at anywhere near 100% on the 27 inch curved monitors. That is bad for everyone--players, TOs, sponsors and viewers alike. I feel like you're reading into envy's comments as him attacking tournaments and then taking that a bit personally. While I agree that how he presented his points is bad, I don't think this was about envy attacking tournaments. Players are partially responsible for being proactive in securing good physical settings in tournaments, but I think Envy feels like a broken record repeating these very public problems. I will say that every TO i've talked to have been very accommodating in helping players set up good physical settings (esl mlg etc). There is a communication gap between china and english speakers that make things difficult, which is why setting a universally accepted standard is useful. Show nested quote +Summit 2 had extremely faulty computers (etc) Fair complaint. Was the issue not resolved however? Did it impact the overall results? If not, then what's the big deal? It's a non-valve DotA tournament, not Wimbledon. Again, computers having problems are one of the easiest things to fix with some of the biggest effects in terms of both lowering the quality of the viewing experience and lowering the quality of play. I'm assuming you don't play any video games competitively if you can't see the problem with computer lag during a tournament, but imagine playing a soccer tournament (for a living no less) where you can only use the tournament's ball and it's significantly deflated. You would definitely bring it up whenever you could. It's hard to understand this one from a player perspective as it seems like every dota tournament should hopefully have people who play dota involved in them. If 1 pub was played on each computer I think the number of technical difficulties would be lowered to an acceptable amount. Show nested quote +DotA is now at a point where when players talk about tournaments the statement of "it wasn't that bad the computers were working" is a common defense for the tournament. That should be a basic REQUIREMENT for lans. I remember going to my first LAN, I would get so excited to finally play one on the plane. Nowadays when I attend a LAN i just hope that nothing goes terribly wrong. I suspect a more important basic requirement to most pro players (you included?) is that these LANs have a prize pool so that they can get paid to play DotA. If there was immense competition and demand for the right to host one of these LAN tournaments between organizers, then maybe I could see your point. As it stands, these minor tournaments are going out on the competitive gaming limb to host these things in order to hopefully make a profit. There are no investors waiting in the wings vying at the opportunity to host a DotA tournament for you and other pros. I suggest you go back to just being excited to participate in a LAN again, or, if you are too above that now, focus only on attending Valve-sponsored events. You're right. Standards have changed. Tournaments with lower standards will be fazed out because of competition. I think players wanting tournaments to improve is natural. And there is a reasonable amount of competition for hosting lans. Remember all the over saturation posts and multiple straight weekends of lans? And yes, there are multiple basic requirements for having a LAN. As basic requirements they can not really be mutually exclusive. Show nested quote +During the previous Dreamleague, mid tournament there was a patch introduced that included phoenix/brood mother. DotA 2 doesn't allow for patch changes unlike DotA 1 so players actually just sit there praying that there won't be a patch or that there won't be any major bugs. Teams start having agreements where they won't pick new heroes or some shit. I actually had that agreement with VP but I forgot about it and picked phoenix to try it out. VP wasn't mad about it though since we lost D; I half-agree. In most competitions, changing the rules mid-tournament is a no-no. On the other hand, for minor tournaments, this potentially adds to the intrigue and excitement for the audience. It also forces pros to think on their feet and make quick adjustments. I could go either way here. I think a creative captain however wouldn't mind so much. I think creativity has less to do with it compared to the prep time put in. Ideally you want the better team winning a good % of games more than the worse team (yes not every game). Changing rules and patches mid tounament shifts that dynamic in favour of the worse team. Contrary to popular belief, C9 is the better team in the vast majority of their games. I don't think envy is referring to minor tournaments. Show nested quote +Servers start going down when there's a patch and the tournament gets delayed. It's very stressful playing a tournament when you know a patch is nearby. This isn't really something the tournament can fix though, its up to Valve and they have to patch at some point. That should be fixed if tournaments are being significantly delayed. If we're talking 30 minutes to 1 hour though, I don't think that's a big deal. Again, rewards captains and teams that are creative and able to think and adjust quickly, as well as making it more exciting for the audience. Tournaments already go overtime and often have scheduling problems (again, push to standardization of rules). These delays sometimes mean players on different teams won't get enough sleep. Providing as level of a playing field as possible is good for competition. Show nested quote +For me the main issue with minor tournaments is sound cancellation. So many things can actually go wrong when there isn't a proper sound cancelling booth. The problem with sound cancelling headsets which is a tournament go to is that players are forced to use a program like skype/teamspeak to communicate which has a 1-2 second delay (The chinese teams usually don't use these programs). Some headsets allow you to just turn off the sound cancelling with a button and admins don't really check for that. The sound cancelling usually isn't good enough so you can hear the casters anyway. And even with all this being fixed the sound gets broadcasted through your mic anyway so you can potentially end up hearing everything twice. Teamspeak does not have a 1-2 second delay. Let's get that out of the way first. Skype sucks, that's a given. So it boils down to, can you actually hear the casters? If Yes, that's a problem. Next question is, can you hear the crowd, and how much? Can you only hear the crowd roaring after a big teamfight? Or can you hear them point out smoke ganks too? I don't think minor tournaments require perfect soundproofing necessarily. If you can faintly hear the crowd going wild outside the booth during or after a fight, I think that's fine audience interaction. On the other hand, if the soundproofing is so shitty that you hear the audience or casters call out "smoke gank!" every time, then yeah, valid point. While players do have to deal with externalities as a job requirement, I don't think it's an argument for not pushing the scene forward. There are multiple tournaments in the past (sometimes present) where players can hear game defining sounds like smoke and roshan bash. I think everyone can agree that's a problem. It's not faint sounds that you hear at lans. Show nested quote +In some teamfights at starladder, I could hear Toby/LD and the Crowd twice. It actually becomes so difficult to play during those moments. Of course the best solution to this problem is to pay half a million or more for proper booths, but many tournaments can't afford that. What DAC did was have a shitty booth that didn't block out that much sound but it ended up blocking all the sounds in combination of a sound cancelling headset. Of course this method still forces you to use a communication program but I think that's good enough. I personally think the cheapest option is to just have the sound broadcasted in front of the stage so its much quieter on the stage for the players. I'm not sure how this would affect sound quality for the audience though but this was done at WCA and it lessened the problem a lot. What players usually do is make their mic threshold really high so it rarely picks up casters/crowd unless they are screaming. The problem with this is that you can't naturally communicate, you have to talk very loudly and some players aren't able to do that. Bone has a big problem with that as he tends to speak quietly so we often don't hear what hes saying in games.
TWICE!?!?!?!?! God forbid. You're a pro, adjust. Bone's problem sounds like just that: Bone's problem. It's a roster/personnel problem. Coach him up to speak louder, or recruit someone else if it's that big of a problem at the minor LANs. Again though, if it's so bad that you can make out the other team's ganks/smokes etc. then something should be done, but it doesn't seem like that's the case based on what you've written. I agree completely with both points. The problem is that it is that bad for many lans. Show nested quote +
Competitive DotA isn't a joke. Hundreds of Thousands of people watch this. There are Fans and Familys who care a lot. Some people say pros are lazy and holy fuck we are. But were always struggling, thinking about the game, our team, ourselves, and what we can do to reach our dreams. I actually get embarrassed when people tell me I'm trying hard or that I'm good at this game. I look at myself and I feel like I'm shit and that there's no way I'm trying hard enough. When I lose a tournament, the bitterness doesn't allow me to tell my team, oh hey I tried my best, there's nothing more I could have done. I don't fucking understand how organizers feel fine with the things that happens in these tournaments.
It's a video game. PewDiePie gets hundreds of thousands of viewers. That's not a valid argument. Nothing you've described so far indicates that you were unfairly handicapped at any tournament. Again, I would attribute this to Envy pushing for better standards but being bad at conveying ideas. Show nested quote +During Starladder there were two games happening at once, one game is played on the main stage and the other one is played on the secondary stage. Bulba told me there was a little girl screaming near him as they are playing their elimination matches (https://twitter.com/Phillip_Aram/status/591704499510730752). This is actually insane, I don't even know what to say. Either the organizers are lazy as fuck or they are incredibly stupid. Was she really "Screaming?" He had headphones on and is a pro player. Surely he can block out 1 little girl? Unless there's more to this story, e.g. she was revealing game-relevant information, or his teammates could only hear scream over the mic, I don't see the problem. Of course his team mates could hear her over his mic. More than that, why are you taking an issue with the fact that a pro player doesn't want additional distractions during an important elimination match. Which in reference to your last point is an unfair handicap. Show nested quote +. ... Kelly was flamed for doing a bad job. But lets take a look at why her translations might not be to par. Her team just lost, shes translating for the team that beat her team, shes translating infront of a crowd, shes a manager NOT a translator, and she had no idea she was even going to translate in the first place. It's no wonder that Loda got mad because his girlfriends being used by cheap fucks who wouldn't even think of compensating people in anyway. There are translators out there that wake up at 3-5 am to help not just translate discussions but entire documents for FREE, I'm sure you would be able to find them since you use them for the ridiculous Chinese Visa troubles. Show nested quote +Player's have asked many times for private washrooms but it doesn't seem like anything can be done about it. "Hi guys, sorry can't talk now." It's a minor LAN tournament. If it was 500 fans you had to avoid, fine, but ~50? Come on now. Surely you can understand why people want to be focused on the game during a big lan. Show nested quote +At one point I had a lot of respect for Andrey but after seeing how he was talking to players during DDOSS situations my respect dropped. I flamed him to cyborgmatt about it when we were chilling and cyborgmatt responded "it really isn't Andrey's fault hes in an extremely stressful position and hes underpaid." Andrey I'm Sorry T_T. Honestly staff being under paid seems like the case in many events. I just feel like there's enough money in DotA and some fuckers are hogging it all. I might be wrong about that but that's my belief from these few years in DotA. Some fuckers are hogging it all? Please elaborate. That's a rather childish blanket statement. You have no idea what the financials involved are. Organizers and investors are putting up the capital for these events, and deserve the majority of the revenue. I'm surprised that you don't bring up how Envy talked about ddos because I thought that was his worst point by far. I don't really know what to say about this statement. I guess Envy feels like the money isn't being distributed fairly. Which I think is probably true one way or another. For everything in life. Show nested quote +
Now that its my second time talking about the Toby incident I realized I'm a fucking idiot for hating because that happened years ago. But what happened was Toby was laughing, and joking about how bad MTW was as they were getting eliminated from the tournament. For me this has nothing to do with comparisons with sports or even the game itself. All I see is a person is making a mockery of 5 people infront of hundreds of thousands of people about something they dedicated a year too but failed. I see someone who would ridicule their friend infront of everyone. And that's what I didn't like about it.
Casters and critics are paid to cast and criticize, as well as draw interest at times by being controversial. Like in anything else in life, the best way to respond is to man up and play better, or simply no longer participate. I think there's a difference between casting and criticizing and willfully embarrassing a team as they lose. I won't comment on toby here because he's definitely grown from that and he's obviously one of the best dota casters but I think envy's sentiment is acceptable. You're right though. Competitors do need to pick themselves up through adversity. Show nested quote + For me a LAN is an event where players are able to fight for their dreams to their fullest with hundreds of thousands of people watching. A LAN is an event organized by one or more investors hoping to turn a profit on ad, ticket, and other miscellaneous revenue. Pro players benefit from these events to the extent they perform in the form of prize pools. Fans fund these events with their wallets, and to date, the totality of these "hundreds of thousands" have not inspired organizers of non-valve tournaments to invest more in these events. I'm not saying video game players cannot become mainstream enough to draw the BIG BIG BUCKS (if we assume that DotA merely brings in singular "big" bucks) see: League of Legends and their massive revenue stream. As it stands, I think whining in blog posts only works to your detriment, and lends credence to those who characterize you as a whiny and girlish. TL;DR: Man up, or stop participating in events you do not consider are up to your satisfaction. I'm going to go ahead and say that players being passionate in tournaments and tournaments being profitable go hand in hand. I think you're both oversimplifying and misrepresenting the scene by stating that LANs are some mechanical money machine in which player emotion doesn't matter. I think that part of what compels people to watch competition is seeing people's competitive drives in action and fighting for their dreams. Of course I also recognize that tournies are a business--I'm just saying player emotion increases fan engrossment and should be part of the business plan. So you're right, teams and tournaments should work together to create a product that is satisfactory to everyone because honestly we're all on the same boat. Pushing for positive change in your profession should be both a respectable and expected thing. I see a lot of comments about how he's lucky to get to play video games for a living and therefore he should just take every bad thing slung at him. While partially true in that we're all lucky to get to play for a living I think it's incredibly shortsighted to not expect players to want better conditions and to overall grow their scene. While imo Envy didn't approach nor communicate some things well, I respect him trying to improve the scene a lot. I could be wrong but my best guess is that Envy wants the scene to grow and be bigger and his blogs should be read with that perspective in mind. Not everyone is good at expressing their thoughts, but to me, Envy's intentions are crystal clear.
now im sad about that day in december
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On April 30 2015 11:03 The-Dom wrote:
I get the feeling titansfan simply looked at EE's statements and said "how can I best disagree with this"..
thanks aui for offering additional insight
I get the same feeling. I'm not an EE disciple in the slightest, but he made a lot of valid points.
AUI murdered it.
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Hi Aui! I think EE would be wise to filter his submissions through you. Suddenly, links to level-headed and reasonable-sounding EE blog posts will start popping up, and the DotA Redditors' collective heads will all explode at once in disbelief.
On April 30 2015 10:06 Aui_2000 wrote:
I feel like criticizing someone for asking for competent admins is reaching a bit.
Oh, is that what he was asking for? It read as if he was concerned admins were not actively monitoring the games being played. I'm in favor of competent staff that can find a way to work the thermostat (or do other organizational tasks) as much as the next guy, although intimate DotA knowledge is probably not a prerequisite.
I feel like standardizing chairs, monitors, tables etc is both good for the industry and the players...
Maybe! I suspect the ideal standard varies from player to player, though. Do teams have the bargaining power to make a list of requests to tournament organizers for specific-sized equipment for their players in advance? (27 inch curved screens are quite silly, I agree.)
Again, computers having problems are one of the easiest things to fix...
I don't know enough about the specifics of the faulty computer issue. He didn't mention whether or not the issues in question were resolved prior to game results being affected. If not, then complaints are certainly well-merited.
You're right. Standards have changed. Tournaments with lower standards will be fazed out because of competition...
Sure will! Fans will make it happen with their wallets, and EE and other pros can make it happen by simply opting out of under-performers. You're right though, functional computers AND money are both basic requirements 
I think creativity has less to do with it compared to the prep time put in...I don't think envy is referring to minor tournaments.
Meh. Any future Valve-sponsored tournament with big $ involved is unlikely to have a mid-tournament patch. I don't think it's the end of the world necessarily if a patch hits in the middle of a smaller tournament, at least from a fan perspective. EE seems like he stays up a lot of nights doing DotA homework though, so I imagine he isn't too pleased when the other guys who stayed up late partying instead get the benefit of a little patch chaos.
These delays sometimes mean players on different teams won't get enough sleep. Providing as level of a playing field as possible is good for competition.
I'm sure you and the other Pros have more than enough adrenaline flowing by game-time to offset that kind of stuff But yes, in a perfect world, everything runs on schedule like clockwork.
...There are multiple tournaments in the past (sometimes present) where players can hear game defining sounds like smoke and roshan bash. I think everyone can agree that's a problem.
Smoke and Rosh bashes? Yup, that's a problem.
Again, I would attribute this to Envy pushing for better standards but being bad at conveying ideas.
YOU'RE THE MAN FOR THE JOB AUI haha.
Of course his team mates could hear her over his mic. More than that, why are you taking an issue with the fact that a pro player doesn't want additional distractions during an important elimination match. Which in reference to your last point is an unfair handicap.
You're right, the girl just in the picture he linked just looks a bit too old to be "screaming" though. Very weird.
Come on now. Surely you can understand why people want to be focused on the game during a big lan.
He was indicating that avoiding "like 50 people" (so less) every day while on the way to the bathroom was a big deal. Surely it isn't that unnerving. Big tournaments will have private washrooms, and I think(?) EE can handle politely brushing off a few fans on the way to the bathroom at the smaller ones. Maybe.
I'm surprised that you don't bring up how Envy talked about ddos because I thought that was his worst point by far.
Sorry, had no idea what his ddos statement meant or referred to. "At one point I had a lot of respect for Andrey but after seeing how he was talking to players during DDOSS situations my respect dropped." Was he mad that Andrey was talking to them in general, or that he was being mean to them, or? Also weird.
I don't really know what to say about this statement. I guess Envy feels like the money isn't being distributed fairly. Which I think is probably true one way or another. For everything in life.
That's a rather bold accusation against the tournament organizers wouldn't you say? But hey, if EE wants to lead the pro DotA 2 player union movement, I'm all for it haha.
You're right though. Competitors do need to pick themselves up through adversity.
You are one cool dude.
As for the passion + business stuff, I agree. Players showing passion for their competition is awesome. I don't doubt EE is an exceptionally passionate person when it comes to DotA. It just happens to come out as whiny/childish/effeminate/etc. when he voices that passion online.
I could be wrong but my best guess is that Envy wants the scene to grow and be bigger and his blogs should be read with that perspective in mind. Not everyone is good at expressing their thoughts, but to me, Envy's intentions are crystal clear.
I may or may not have imagined this after reading your last line:
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On April 30 2015 11:03 The-Dom wrote:
I get the feeling titansfan simply looked at EE's statements and said "how can I best disagree with this"..
Nah, I like EE, I like tryhards. The stuff he writes comes off like total crap is all. Not going to even touch the video stuff. If he had come on and said: "Hey guys, this is a list of my experiences at the last 3/4/5 tournaments" and proceeded to humbly make suggestions for how things could improve or be more consistent going forward, nobody would complain. The emotional stuff just rubs people off the wrong way, the guy is in his 20's after all. We're not talking about Sumail here.
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On April 30 2015 12:18 titansfan wrote:
Hi Aui! I think EE would be wise to filter his submissions through you. Suddenly, links to level-headed and reasonable-sounding EE blog posts will start popping up, and the DotA Redditors' collective heads will all explode at once in disbelief.
honestly you just seem equally or more autistic than him so you're incapable of reading between the lines. you speak way too much from a position with no experience which just makes you look like some downy hater.
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On April 30 2015 12:18 titansfan wrote:
Hi Aui! I think EE would be wise to filter his submissions through you. Suddenly, links to level-headed and reasonable-sounding EE blog posts will start popping up, and the DotA Redditors' collective heads will all explode at once in disbelief.
Did someone seriously just register an account to post 2 giant walls of texts? Is this guy a starladder organizer or something, why so concerned? Your posts definitely has an air of personally been butthurt by EE's comments.
This is a blog, EE's own thoughts and opinions. It gives some insight into a recent lan that most of us probably have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. Are you saying a person's opinions are wrong? Who are you again? Were you at SL?
Personally if i had some random kid beside me when I had to play in a pro tournament for $150k doing whatever the #$%, regardless of "didn't look old enough to be screaming", I'd be concerned. But If the stuff EE brings up doesn't bother you, then great. Enjoy your future successes on lan.
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Thank you Aui for taking the time
People like titansfan are why we no longer have honesty in Sports or anything, only polished statements. Media like JD cherry picking lines for articles are equally as guilty.
This is a personal blog on the internet not an editorial.
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On April 30 2015 10:46 TBone- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 22:53 Leyra wrote:
These blogs get old, cause every time it's just EE complaining about every little thing. The tone at this point sounds like a kid complaining about all the little stuff that anyone has to deal with in their every day jobs. Someone who focuses only on the negative aspects of their job, etc.
Not saying there isn't validity to the complaints, but for me, it gets old, that's all. Okay this is just stupid, can we not talk about ways to improve tournaments?
Him complaining about bad admins and sound issues is legit. Him complaining about tournaments not having the exact chair that he wants and not the table that he wants is silly and makes him sound like an entitled brat.
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the funniest thing to me always is the double standard people have when it comes to esport. most dont hold esport to the same standard they do everything else and are ok with quality that is extremely low, like so low that it to be any lower you had to actively try to fuck up. DAC, which people for some odd reason liked, was so bad with _systematic_ issues over the whole event and the whole event was a fucking joke because of it. it was easily the second worst event i have ever seen with only major all stars being worse than it. i wasnt even at DAC, but if i had been there it would be even worse because they couldnt provide the bare minimum. (hint: play all games on stage). and i dont just think of esport events here but my bottom 10 of events are all filled with esport. nowhere else is incompetency so accepted as when it comes to esport events.
and as a result of that acceptance we have lans which are either decreasing or totally random in quality.
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The only language complaint I could make is it could use more breaks, it gets wall-of-texty in parts.
Otherwise your English is perfectly fine, no obvious errors at all.
I respect that you speak out and interact with the community and I cheer for cloud9 in part because of this.
Keep on Keeping on man, and feel free to share your thoughts whenever, its good insight into the scene.
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On April 30 2015 07:43 spudde123 wrote:
The funny thing is that Thorin just made a long video a week ago or so about "Yes men" in esports, essentially talking down on people who just live with the problems or bad behavior they see and never do or say anything about it. But now a player voicing concerns about tournament conditions, tournament integrity and stuff is "entitled". Of course it's another thing whether a blog is a good way to go about it or if every concern is valid, but as a whole taking whatever concerns you have to the organizers is definitely a good thing. As with Baltimore, peaceful protesting would of never made the news, and nobody would of given even a days worth of fuck.
You know why I like the competitive Dota scene? Because when we give a fuck, we usually have a pretty good say. Or at the very least are in some way part of the discussion, and THAT is when things have really been getting done lately.
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Greedy and unmannered pinoy like u are in your streams ! Hope we see u soon in Bucharest , Romania ! Someone has to teach u some manners . Kisses !
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Regardless of whether EE is right on the money, or just venting a few issues he's experienced, the bottom line is that he provides insight into the sights and sounds of what happens behind the scenes from a player perspective. Without people speaking out, we might not have developments such as the new majors Valve has announced so soon.
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On April 30 2015 10:06 Aui_2000 wrote:
I feel like criticizing someone for asking for competent admins is reaching a bit. We (EG) personally had problems with the admins at DAC because we would ask for the room temperature to be adjusted 5+ times a day and it wouldn't get done. Admins not being able to communicate with the players should be something that is addressed. I don't think there's an argument against that one. I will say that when we asked for a translator they did their best to get one and they probably had a similar understanding of the hotel temperature control as we did--that is little to none.
ToD deeply agrees with this.
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On April 30 2015 12:18 titansfan wrote:
Nah, I like EE, I like tryhards. The stuff he writes comes off like total crap is all. Not going to even touch the video stuff. If he had come on and said: "Hey guys, this is a list of my experiences at the last 3/4/5 tournaments" and proceeded to humbly make suggestions for how things could improve or be more consistent going forward, nobody would complain. The emotional stuff just rubs people off the wrong way, the guy is in his 20's after all. We're not talking about Sumail here.
Early 20's are the perfect time to write these kind of blogs imo. I don't really expect some sensible thoughts from those guys, bar AUI seems like a exception.
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Dota 2/eSports may have more money, but it is still run by amateurs. It is like a lot of it is still stuck in its grassroots, thus have a nerdy, no knowhow approach. That players still do not receive money in acceptable time, shows that eSports have not moved forward in relation to the prize money.
Tournaments needs to have good surroundings for the players, in things that matters, which means a little annuisance as possible to distract from their performances, not shielding players from fans, that of course wants to meet their favorite players. The latter should have their time and places, and by a mutual agreement from organisation to players. It would serve fans, players and all much better, and not hurt anyone, rather than the opposite.
Although it is rarely a good idea to write in affect, I understand EE doing this. Sometimes your message is more legit in affect, rather than being vapourized by time, trying to accept something that is not acceptable, conveying in a message that might be more diplomatic and constructive, it will still lose some of its dire need for attention.
Perhaps the prize money should take a dive and be put into better surroundings, better paid workers, more professionalism. I think it would be better for all, incl. viewers.
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