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@theyango: I primarily search hero's that benefit alot from essence aura at a timing that could complement eachother and less to which damagetypes are similar and what not, thats why i picked dazzle with undying. Choices, choices... i do like my one and a half healerhero in teamfight drafts.
I like the lesrac suggestion maybe i can make him a mid, so he can actually get an aghs septer for a 220 damage/second in 450 aoe 24/7. No need for manaregen if you have essence aura, it could be a devastating combo. And I totally forgot about offlane timbersaw and maybe even bane support, who both could benefit alot from the essence aura too.
Im am gonna try the bisufan lina core and support later this week, just like timbersaw and lesrac, will be fun (clinkz too). I just need some balance and sustain in the drafts to make most picks work out well.
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Fuck this, i cant loose with an OD draft, i tried : timbersaw offlane + lesrac mid + OD+orge+lina trilane
I got some hate about the draft becuz no pudge, no invoker, no patchhero's, report captain lesrac mid!!!.... until we won that is. I supported solo with lina almost whole game, went 17-4-18 : xpm783/gpm630.
G freaking G baby! OD new patchhero!
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On February 10 2015 17:16 Blackfeather wrote:
I dont mind dazzle that much tbh. I think one of OD's weaknesses is that he's fairly squishy, so I like the idea of backing him up with a defensive support. OD also lacks the aoe wave clear for pushes dazzle provides. But I agree that aside from shallow grave and the fix idea of spell spam+essence aura there's little synergy, which is a shame considering how strong weave is.
It also means that at least one of the other cores should profit from weave and that your second support needs to be something like earth shaker, aka teamfight and ganking control.
I mean, there are better defensive supports that still do more to help out OD's problems, and Essence Aura doesn't really help out heroes that had no mana problems in the first place (Dazzle doesn't, seeing as he has the 3rd highest Int gain in the game and very modest mana costs).
If you want a defensive support that benefits from Essence Aura, Aba/Omni/Shaker/VS all get more out of Essence Aura than Dazzle does.
On February 10 2015 22:54 govie wrote:
@theyango: I primarily search hero's that benefit alot from essence aura at a timing that could complement eachother and less to which damagetypes are similar and what not, thats why i picked dazzle with undying. Choices, choices... i do like my one and a half healerhero in teamfight drafts.
Dazzle+Undying is fine in it's own right, it's just that having an OD with them doesn't do a whole lot. The draft you have isn't an OD draft, it's a Dazzle+Undying draft with OD added in because you felt like using OD. They don't really give each other anything other than OD's Essence Aura, which essentially serves as spending an entire hero pick to be a glorified set of Arcane Boots.
On February 11 2015 02:04 govie wrote:
Fuck this, i cant loose with an OD draft, i tried : timbersaw offlane + lesrac mid + OD+orge+lina trilane
There's no point in trilaning the OD here. You may as well run the Lesh in the trilane as the farmer and the OD mid.
You also most likely want to run that as an aggressive trilane, but whatever.
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On February 11 2015 02:04 govie wrote:Fuck this, i cant loose with an OD draft, i tried : timbersaw offlane + lesrac mid + OD+orge+lina trilane I got some hate about the draft becuz no pudge, no invoker, no patchhero's, report captain lesrac mid!!!.... until we won that is. I supported solo with lina almost whole game, went 17-4-18 : xpm783/gpm630. G freaking G baby! OD new patchhero!
That has to be more fail from your enemies than everything else. You are running a solo offlane timber in a lineup that gets countered by a single bkb hero. I agree with TheYango, if you really want to run this lineup you have to go aggressive so you delay their bkb and Lesh would add to the killing potential which od doesnt.
On paper you could also put timber in midlane if your enemies pick heroes that counter OD in the midlane and run OD solo or dual safelane.
I dont see the point of Ogre over venge in the lineup except for lategame magic burst which Leshrac and Timber provide. Or do you use him as an initiator?
@TheYango: I agree that there are better defensive supports to run with OD than Dazzle, just wanted to point out that Dazzle isnt terribad because OD does really well with defensive supports in general.
@Dazzle+UD shadow wave jumps to zombies, right?
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Yes tbh, the last game i posted was a semi trollgame: just experimenting picks, positions and the impact of the essence aura on certain hero's. Experiments can lead to advancements in dotoscience!
- Timbersaw could have some synergy with treant overgrowth. If i want to run timbersaw, maybe treant support is a good pickup.
- I Tried the clinkz but the player roamed to much, maybe thats what invisibility nudges mediocre players to do (or i am biased, could well be). im still in doubt if clinkz is a better on the offlane or as a carry, i will experiment some more.
- The lesrac aggrotrilane idea I will put on hold for another time, as it makes everything more complex in regard to the initial blogpost. So, no more lesrac cores until i get bored with the current OD draft challenges;
- I liked lina in an OD draft, she can transtion into a semi core with some kills alot easier then ogre can. Her range allows her to actually get some rightcliks off and astral imprisonment is a nice setup for her stun, i like it.
- Vengefullspirit: I assume that her minus armour and aura will have alot lower impact then in more standard psychical damage drafts. The initial ogre idea was that during the midgame bloodlust would atleast buff the arcane bolts dps, where venge aura has less impact. If you are sure your gonna pick bristleback i guess venge is pretty good pick, but then ogre would also be a nice support for bristle. choices..choices...!
- Dazzle/zombies: I think it does jump to zombies, although the damage output from shadow wave isnt as high as many theorycrafters believe. But the chance to hit that 1 gigantic wave gets alot bigger when you are teamed up and are slowly sieging a tower or highground until someone initiates a teamfight around the creepwave.
In + Show Spoiler [essence] +haha 
I'd like to thank everyone so far for their idea's and opinions. I have learned alot about some synergies with OD that may or may not exist, thx!
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A little late but why not Enigma? You seem to want some good push and enigma is a really good pusher and if OD has some items his ulti does so much damage and Enigma helps set it up. Also you could maybe add veno here as well for more push/teamdighting and Veno loves mana which OD gives.
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Garanteed lockdown skills like enigma's black hole have potential in combination with the OD hammer. Mushi drafts OD alot and he also prefers garanteed lockdown in alot of games, probably because the impact of bkb tends to be less against garanteed lockdown, so the enemy doesnt automatically buy one making od more relevant mid/lategame. Lately he picked axe+witchdoctor+OD more then once but never preferred the garanteed lockdown from an enigma or treant. Maybe now that axe got nerfed in 6.83b, enigma/treant will become his preferred lockdown hero in combination with OD. And I saw empire run OD together with brew and AA, both also benefit alot from the aura.
The hero is definitely underplayed and undervalued, so many good possibilities.
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Essence aura wins lanes, not teamfights.
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Snowball with OD based on low CDs?
Here's my pocket draft:
Necro Undying safe lane
Bristle Dazzle off lane
OD mid
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/44265128/matches?date=&hero=necrophos&skill_bracket=&lobby_type=ranked_matchmaking&game_mode=®ion=&faction=&duration=
All but 1036224468 should be this draft iirc
Your current draft contradicts itself. Ursa wants to take Rosh and secure objectives with high physical burst. The rest of the team wants to move as 5 on towers and push to the rax ASAP together. Also, Ursa+Ogre look for more pickoffs in the midgame than objectives, so ideally (if you want to deathball to fuck) try the draft with the two picks I've suggested.
As an added bonus, I think my lanes are stronger than your suggestion.
This strategy works less well in the recent patch - Mek uses more mana, towers have the glyph refresh, EXP swings a lot more and the heroes people pick have more creep wave rice. It still works, but we have had more trouble recently than pre 6.83. Before then, it was next to unbeatable if you banned AA + Brewmaster.
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