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Hey fellow internet dwellers,
I have mentioned repeatedly about my issues being able to stream at a consistent bit rate and even spoke to being lied to by an ISP about throttling. Well today I got the new ISP to install the Fiber Optic box for their network and it is working like a charm.
I am now able to stream at 1080p with out a hitch at 2.5 Mbps. The dream is real and I am incredibly happy about this. My ability to bring beautiful content was being hindered overwhelming by my old ISP and now everything I bring you will be in glorious HD at 60FPS straight from Twitch to YouTube. Best Christmas present ever.
Thanks for the read and happy holidays!
Basic
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On December 23 2014 04:37 Basic wrote:
Hey fellow internet dwellers,
I have mentioned repeatedly about my issues being able to stream at a consistent bit rate and even spoke to being lied to by an ISP about throttling. Well today I got the new ISP to install the Fiber Optic box for their network and it is working like a charm.
I am now able to stream at 1080p with out a hitch at 2.5 Mbps. The dream is real and I am incredibly happy about this. My ability to bring beautiful content was being hindered overwhelming by my old ISP and now everything I bring you will be in glorious HD at 60FPS straight from Twitch to YouTube. Best Christmas present ever.
Thanks for the read and happy holidays!
Basic
What bitrate are you streaming on Twitch to get 1080p/60fps?
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On December 23 2014 05:02 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 04:37 Basic wrote:
Hey fellow internet dwellers,
I have mentioned repeatedly about my issues being able to stream at a consistent bit rate and even spoke to being lied to by an ISP about throttling. Well today I got the new ISP to install the Fiber Optic box for their network and it is working like a charm.
I am now able to stream at 1080p with out a hitch at 2.5 Mbps. The dream is real and I am incredibly happy about this. My ability to bring beautiful content was being hindered overwhelming by my old ISP and now everything I bring you will be in glorious HD at 60FPS straight from Twitch to YouTube. Best Christmas present ever.
Thanks for the read and happy holidays!
Basic What bitrate are you streaming on Twitch to get 1080p/60fps?
I think the 2.5 Mpbs he mentioned is the bitrate.
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That bitrate for that quality and fps rate seems pretty low. Could you perhaps upload 720p60 and 1080p60 comparisons using the same bitrate?
I think i would prefer 720p60.
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On December 23 2014 05:24 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 05:02 dabom88 wrote:On December 23 2014 04:37 Basic wrote:
Hey fellow internet dwellers,
I have mentioned repeatedly about my issues being able to stream at a consistent bit rate and even spoke to being lied to by an ISP about throttling. Well today I got the new ISP to install the Fiber Optic box for their network and it is working like a charm.
I am now able to stream at 1080p with out a hitch at 2.5 Mbps. The dream is real and I am incredibly happy about this. My ability to bring beautiful content was being hindered overwhelming by my old ISP and now everything I bring you will be in glorious HD at 60FPS straight from Twitch to YouTube. Best Christmas present ever.
Thanks for the read and happy holidays!
Basic What bitrate are you streaming on Twitch to get 1080p/60fps? I think the 2.5 Mpbs he mentioned is the bitrate.
Ah, missed that, didn't realize it was the bitrate.
On December 23 2014 05:55 icydergosu wrote:
That bitrate for that quality and fps rate seems pretty low. Could you perhaps upload 720p60 and 1080p60 comparisons using the same bitrate?
I think i would prefer 720p60.
I agree. That's why I initially asked my question. Good quality 720p60 is my preference over sub-optimal 1080p60 at 2500 kbps bitrate.
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Yeah I would say 1080p60fps would need at least 3-3.5Mbps, if not even higher. And at that point you are cutting into potential viewers 
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cool lemmi move in with you
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Just curious, who's your ISP?
It's also good to note the concern mentioned of 1080p @ 60fps with that bitrate, could be less than optimal for a number of viewers, especially since you're stream isn't partnered (I'm guessing) and doesn't give the viewers the ability the change the quality.
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I highly compress my video upload before sending it to Twitch which allows me to send a very good 1080p 60 FPS feed with out degrading quality. I use an absolute monster of a CPU to do it. I could upload all the way up to 10.0 Mbps if I so chose but not many people could watch that I imagine.
I am still balancing out which is better at the moment in terms of viewer experience and I highly appreciate the feedback from you all at this point. If it turns out that 720p is a better experience than that is what I will deliver, but thus far I will experiment with the aforementioned settings.
Regards,
Basic
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On December 23 2014 11:10 Grobyc wrote:
Just curious, who's your ISP?
It's also good to note the concern mentioned of 1080p @ 60fps with that bitrate, could be less than optimal for a number of viewers, especially since you're stream isn't partnered (I'm guessing) and doesn't give the viewers the ability the change the quality.
I'd also like too know, all the ISP's I've been with have always stopped my download speed at 1.2mb/s no matter what plan I'm on so I'd like too compare. I've used Rogers and TechSavy so really curious on who you're with and how much you're paying a month.
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On December 23 2014 13:02 BongChambers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 11:10 Grobyc wrote:
Just curious, who's your ISP?
It's also good to note the concern mentioned of 1080p @ 60fps with that bitrate, could be less than optimal for a number of viewers, especially since you're stream isn't partnered (I'm guessing) and doesn't give the viewers the ability the change the quality. I'd also like too know, all the ISP's I've been with have always stopped my download speed at 1.2mb/s no matter what plan I'm on so I'd like too compare. I've used Rogers and TechSavy so really curious on who you're with and how much you're paying a month.
I am not sure if follow, do you mean your ISP throttles download threads despite not hitting against your defined wall of your Internet plan?
eg. your Internet connection is capable of 40 Megabits per second(Mbps) Downstream and 5 Mbps Upstream but your download speed(per thread or overall?) never goes above 1,2 Megabytes per second(MBps)?
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On December 23 2014 14:45 icydergosu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 13:02 BongChambers wrote:On December 23 2014 11:10 Grobyc wrote:
Just curious, who's your ISP?
It's also good to note the concern mentioned of 1080p @ 60fps with that bitrate, could be less than optimal for a number of viewers, especially since you're stream isn't partnered (I'm guessing) and doesn't give the viewers the ability the change the quality. I'd also like too know, all the ISP's I've been with have always stopped my download speed at 1.2mb/s no matter what plan I'm on so I'd like too compare. I've used Rogers and TechSavy so really curious on who you're with and how much you're paying a month. I am not sure if follow, do you mean your ISP throttles download threads despite not hitting against your defined wall of your Internet plan? eg. your Internet connection is capable of 40 Megabits per second(Mbps) Downstream and 5 Mbps Upstream but your download speed(per thread or overall?) never goes above 1,2 Megabytes per second(MBps)?
Ya pre much, stays around 1-1.2mbps no matter what, never really lower or higher.
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My new ISP is Sasktel, a government owned ISP that operate as a crown corporation. That means, despite that it iss government owned it still is a for profit company. The difference being that they do not throttle or have data caps because these are consider profit gauging practices that crown corps traditionally do not take part in.
I live in Saskatchewan by the way, the only place this ISP operates as it is a provincially owned company. The Network I am on now is 50 Mbps Down and 10 Mbps Up. Also, because the network is fiber optic in nature it is far less susceptible to slowing down from high network use.
Any other questions I am happy to answer.
Regards,
Basic
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On December 23 2014 12:27 Basic wrote:
I highly compress my video upload before sending it to Twitch which allows me to send a very good 1080p 60 FPS feed with out degrading quality. I use an absolute monster of a CPU to do it. I could upload all the way up to 10.0 Mbps if I so chose but not many people could watch that I imagine.
I am still balancing out which is better at the moment in terms of viewer experience and I highly appreciate the feedback from you all at this point. If it turns out that 720p is a better experience than that is what I will deliver, but thus far I will experiment with the aforementioned settings.
Regards,
Basic
Keep in mind, I believe Twitch allows you up to 3500 kbps (3.5 mbps): http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/1253460-broadcast-requirements
You are technically able to do more than 3500, but you'll be warned by Twitch if they catch you doing so.
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I have decidedly went with a 720p stream set-up at 60 FPS for the time being. I can do it with a 2.5 Mbps fixed bit rate. It looks great and most everyone can watch it with no issue.
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Awesome! Lucky person!
It was interesting to read about them acting as a crown corporation. I didn't know anything about that practice before. Now I might have to do a bit more research. 
Could you post a speed test? I'd appreciate it, to see what portion of the 50/10 you get as well as (ideally) the ping, jitter and ratings too. People in different countries have very different expectations from their ISPs from I've seen, so some countries with better, stable connections rate their ISPs at something like 3 on average when it may well kick the #@$% out of all Australian ISPs that might get 4+ ratings. :/
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Here is a speed test from a site I am told does not adjust results at all. Evidently there are some bandwidth websites that "play" with the results and give you horribly inaccurate numbers. These are my real speeds and note that my bandwidth for Download is 50 Mbps, which usually lets me download five things roughly at 10 Mbps.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VSWuqks.png)
http://i.imgur.com/VSWuqks.png
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Well that's quite a bit slowed than 50Mbps
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That's not too bad. I had to deal with a 4Mbps line for months until my ISP upgraded it to this:
![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/3598208445.png)
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Regarding your bandwidth testing remarks, there is not really much to it. Download something for n seconds and see how much traffic was transferred. One could easily write something like that using curl and any language of your choice.
If the most you can get are 10 Mbps per download thread your ISP is throttling your internet connection which is a bad thing and i would for example not use such an ISP at all unless they clearly say so when they advertise the package. Ok i lied, if it was the only available fiber provider i totally would as well(low latency).
I am not familiar with Canadian networks so perhaps people could post some more 1GB Files for testing purposes, you should be able to max out your connection to at least some of the canadian networks using only one download thread if your ISP is not throttling your connection.
Perhaps you could try OVH Canada(BHS):
http://ipv4.bhs.proof.ovh.net/
1GB File from OVH Canada(BHS):
http://ipv4.bhs.proof.ovh.net/files/1Gio.dat
1GB File from Ramnode USA(NYC):
http://lg.nyc.ramnode.com/1000MB.test
If you have access to a Linux machine with curl installed(perhaps you could post the result):
curl -o /dev/null http://ipv4.bhs.proof.ovh.net/files/1Gio.dat
curl -o /dev/null http://lg.nyc.ramnode.com/1000MB.test
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Here is the result I get if I use one of the more commonly used speed test websites. I do not have an advanced understanding of networking but I did it have it explained to me that most sites "game" the uploader giving you inaccurate results. I trusted that explanation as the person knows much more about networking than I do.
Regardless here is a speed test from speedtest.net, a site I was informed games results.
![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/4007172204.png)
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Since i do not know what the person actually said i will refrain from passing judgement. The only thing i can think of is that some shady websites might just fake a speedtest and not transfer any data at all to make the people feel good and make them return to the website but that logic seems pretty fucked up.
Regarding the speedtest.net testing method: They use several Download and Upload threads concurrently for a test to saturate your connection. Using multiple threads concurrently is not unusual since that is what is usually needed when using tcp to be able to make sure that your connection is fully saturated. Using a low latency connection like fiber and a server within your vicinity in canada should not require multiple download threads to max out your connection.
However testing the way speedtest.net currently does it masks providers which throttle download/upload threads to certain Mbps values. You should have no troubles maxing out your connection with only one download thread from a canadian server.
To test this you could download one of the files i linked and time how long it took to download completely. Chrome for example does not save that information(total time or average speed), i am not sure if there is an addon for chrome or other browsers. Otherwise you would probably need a download manager for windows which saves the average speed or total time.
It is important that you download the whole file since some ISPs seem to be masking their shady behaviour by bursting(letting your download thread run without a leash) from time to time. In this case the larger the file the better since even if they apply short periods of bursting the average download value will still show because we looked at a larger set of data.
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It took roughly thirty seconds, which if my math does not fail me equals out to 35 Mbps.
For the records there are two high speed internet providers in Saskatchewan so options are slim and I simply happy this provider tries to provide me with as optimal results as possible.
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Errm, unless I'm missing something, you didn't download the full 1GB file.
Maybe my brain's gone silly but 30 seconds at 35Mbps (Megabits) would be 1050 Mb (Megabits) downloaded, which is 131.25 MB (Megabytes).
To get 1000 MB (1GB) in thirty seconds would be 1000÷30=33.33 MB/s or 266.66Mb/s.
266.66 ≠ 35 and I doubt you have 266.66Mb/s if they tell you you're getting (up to) "50Mb/s".
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After redoing the test, and some simple confusion about GB vs Gb and MB vs Mb, it took about six minutes.
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That would be ~22.22Mb/s then.
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Thanks for clearing it up Fuchsteufelswild
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