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Basic
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada288 Posts
December 22 2014 19:37 GMT
#1
Hey fellow internet dwellers,

I have mentioned repeatedly about my issues being able to stream at a consistent bit rate and even spoke to being lied to by an ISP about throttling. Well today I got the new ISP to install the Fiber Optic box for their network and it is working like a charm.

I am now able to stream at 1080p with out a hitch at 2.5 Mbps. The dream is real and I am incredibly happy about this. My ability to bring beautiful content was being hindered overwhelming by my old ISP and now everything I bring you will be in glorious HD at 60FPS straight from Twitch to YouTube. Best Christmas present ever.

Thanks for the read and happy holidays!

Basic

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dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-22 20:02:27
December 22 2014 20:02 GMT
#2
On December 23 2014 04:37 Basic wrote:
Hey fellow internet dwellers,

I have mentioned repeatedly about my issues being able to stream at a consistent bit rate and even spoke to being lied to by an ISP about throttling. Well today I got the new ISP to install the Fiber Optic box for their network and it is working like a charm.

I am now able to stream at 1080p with out a hitch at 2.5 Mbps. The dream is real and I am incredibly happy about this. My ability to bring beautiful content was being hindered overwhelming by my old ISP and now everything I bring you will be in glorious HD at 60FPS straight from Twitch to YouTube. Best Christmas present ever.

Thanks for the read and happy holidays!

Basic


What bitrate are you streaming on Twitch to get 1080p/60fps?
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
December 22 2014 20:24 GMT
#3
On December 23 2014 05:02 dabom88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2014 04:37 Basic wrote:
Hey fellow internet dwellers,

I have mentioned repeatedly about my issues being able to stream at a consistent bit rate and even spoke to being lied to by an ISP about throttling. Well today I got the new ISP to install the Fiber Optic box for their network and it is working like a charm.

I am now able to stream at 1080p with out a hitch at 2.5 Mbps. The dream is real and I am incredibly happy about this. My ability to bring beautiful content was being hindered overwhelming by my old ISP and now everything I bring you will be in glorious HD at 60FPS straight from Twitch to YouTube. Best Christmas present ever.

Thanks for the read and happy holidays!

Basic


What bitrate are you streaming on Twitch to get 1080p/60fps?


I think the 2.5 Mpbs he mentioned is the bitrate.
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icydergosu
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
528 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-22 20:56:00
December 22 2014 20:55 GMT
#4
That bitrate for that quality and fps rate seems pretty low. Could you perhaps upload 720p60 and 1080p60 comparisons using the same bitrate?

I think i would prefer 720p60.
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dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-22 21:52:41
December 22 2014 21:52 GMT
#5
On December 23 2014 05:24 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2014 05:02 dabom88 wrote:
On December 23 2014 04:37 Basic wrote:
Hey fellow internet dwellers,

I have mentioned repeatedly about my issues being able to stream at a consistent bit rate and even spoke to being lied to by an ISP about throttling. Well today I got the new ISP to install the Fiber Optic box for their network and it is working like a charm.

I am now able to stream at 1080p with out a hitch at 2.5 Mbps. The dream is real and I am incredibly happy about this. My ability to bring beautiful content was being hindered overwhelming by my old ISP and now everything I bring you will be in glorious HD at 60FPS straight from Twitch to YouTube. Best Christmas present ever.

Thanks for the read and happy holidays!

Basic


What bitrate are you streaming on Twitch to get 1080p/60fps?


I think the 2.5 Mpbs he mentioned is the bitrate.

Ah, missed that, didn't realize it was the bitrate.

On December 23 2014 05:55 icydergosu wrote:
That bitrate for that quality and fps rate seems pretty low. Could you perhaps upload 720p60 and 1080p60 comparisons using the same bitrate?

I think i would prefer 720p60.


I agree. That's why I initially asked my question. Good quality 720p60 is my preference over sub-optimal 1080p60 at 2500 kbps bitrate.
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aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
December 22 2014 21:58 GMT
#6
Yeah I would say 1080p60fps would need at least 3-3.5Mbps, if not even higher. And at that point you are cutting into potential viewers
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10890 Posts
December 22 2014 23:52 GMT
#7
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
December 23 2014 02:10 GMT
#8
Just curious, who's your ISP?

It's also good to note the concern mentioned of 1080p @ 60fps with that bitrate, could be less than optimal for a number of viewers, especially since you're stream isn't partnered (I'm guessing) and doesn't give the viewers the ability the change the quality.
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Basic
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada288 Posts
December 23 2014 03:27 GMT
#9
I highly compress my video upload before sending it to Twitch which allows me to send a very good 1080p 60 FPS feed with out degrading quality. I use an absolute monster of a CPU to do it. I could upload all the way up to 10.0 Mbps if I so chose but not many people could watch that I imagine.

I am still balancing out which is better at the moment in terms of viewer experience and I highly appreciate the feedback from you all at this point. If it turns out that 720p is a better experience than that is what I will deliver, but thus far I will experiment with the aforementioned settings.

Regards,

Basic
BongChambers
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada591 Posts
December 23 2014 04:02 GMT
#10
On December 23 2014 11:10 Grobyc wrote:
Just curious, who's your ISP?

It's also good to note the concern mentioned of 1080p @ 60fps with that bitrate, could be less than optimal for a number of viewers, especially since you're stream isn't partnered (I'm guessing) and doesn't give the viewers the ability the change the quality.


I'd also like too know, all the ISP's I've been with have always stopped my download speed at 1.2mb/s no matter what plan I'm on so I'd like too compare. I've used Rogers and TechSavy so really curious on who you're with and how much you're paying a month.
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icydergosu
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
528 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-23 05:46:16
December 23 2014 05:45 GMT
#11
On December 23 2014 13:02 BongChambers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2014 11:10 Grobyc wrote:
Just curious, who's your ISP?

It's also good to note the concern mentioned of 1080p @ 60fps with that bitrate, could be less than optimal for a number of viewers, especially since you're stream isn't partnered (I'm guessing) and doesn't give the viewers the ability the change the quality.


I'd also like too know, all the ISP's I've been with have always stopped my download speed at 1.2mb/s no matter what plan I'm on so I'd like too compare. I've used Rogers and TechSavy so really curious on who you're with and how much you're paying a month.


I am not sure if follow, do you mean your ISP throttles download threads despite not hitting against your defined wall of your Internet plan?

eg. your Internet connection is capable of 40 Megabits per second(Mbps) Downstream and 5 Mbps Upstream but your download speed(per thread or overall?) never goes above 1,2 Megabytes per second(MBps)?
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BongChambers
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada591 Posts
December 23 2014 06:49 GMT
#12
On December 23 2014 14:45 icydergosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2014 13:02 BongChambers wrote:
On December 23 2014 11:10 Grobyc wrote:
Just curious, who's your ISP?

It's also good to note the concern mentioned of 1080p @ 60fps with that bitrate, could be less than optimal for a number of viewers, especially since you're stream isn't partnered (I'm guessing) and doesn't give the viewers the ability the change the quality.


I'd also like too know, all the ISP's I've been with have always stopped my download speed at 1.2mb/s no matter what plan I'm on so I'd like too compare. I've used Rogers and TechSavy so really curious on who you're with and how much you're paying a month.


I am not sure if follow, do you mean your ISP throttles download threads despite not hitting against your defined wall of your Internet plan?

eg. your Internet connection is capable of 40 Megabits per second(Mbps) Downstream and 5 Mbps Upstream but your download speed(per thread or overall?) never goes above 1,2 Megabytes per second(MBps)?


Ya pre much, stays around 1-1.2mbps no matter what, never really lower or higher.
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Basic
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada288 Posts
December 23 2014 07:05 GMT
#13
My new ISP is Sasktel, a government owned ISP that operate as a crown corporation. That means, despite that it iss government owned it still is a for profit company. The difference being that they do not throttle or have data caps because these are consider profit gauging practices that crown corps traditionally do not take part in.

I live in Saskatchewan by the way, the only place this ISP operates as it is a provincially owned company. The Network I am on now is 50 Mbps Down and 10 Mbps Up. Also, because the network is fiber optic in nature it is far less susceptible to slowing down from high network use.

Any other questions I am happy to answer.

Regards,

Basic
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-23 08:40:53
December 23 2014 08:37 GMT
#14
On December 23 2014 12:27 Basic wrote:
I highly compress my video upload before sending it to Twitch which allows me to send a very good 1080p 60 FPS feed with out degrading quality. I use an absolute monster of a CPU to do it. I could upload all the way up to 10.0 Mbps if I so chose but not many people could watch that I imagine.

I am still balancing out which is better at the moment in terms of viewer experience and I highly appreciate the feedback from you all at this point. If it turns out that 720p is a better experience than that is what I will deliver, but thus far I will experiment with the aforementioned settings.

Regards,

Basic


Keep in mind, I believe Twitch allows you up to 3500 kbps (3.5 mbps): http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/1253460-broadcast-requirements

You are technically able to do more than 3500, but you'll be warned by Twitch if they catch you doing so.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
Basic
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada288 Posts
December 23 2014 09:05 GMT
#15
I have decidedly went with a 720p stream set-up at 60 FPS for the time being. I can do it with a 2.5 Mbps fixed bit rate. It looks great and most everyone can watch it with no issue.
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
December 23 2014 09:40 GMT
#16
Awesome! Lucky person!
It was interesting to read about them acting as a crown corporation. I didn't know anything about that practice before. Now I might have to do a bit more research.

Could you post a speed test? I'd appreciate it, to see what portion of the 50/10 you get as well as (ideally) the ping, jitter and ratings too. People in different countries have very different expectations from their ISPs from I've seen, so some countries with better, stable connections rate their ISPs at something like 3 on average when it may well kick the #@$% out of all Australian ISPs that might get 4+ ratings. :/
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Basic
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada288 Posts
December 23 2014 10:53 GMT
#17
Here is a speed test from a site I am told does not adjust results at all. Evidently there are some bandwidth websites that "play" with the results and give you horribly inaccurate numbers. These are my real speeds and note that my bandwidth for Download is 50 Mbps, which usually lets me download five things roughly at 10 Mbps.

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jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5546 Posts
December 23 2014 13:07 GMT
#18
Well that's quite a bit slowed than 50Mbps
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
December 23 2014 19:26 GMT
#19
That's not too bad. I had to deal with a 4Mbps line for months until my ISP upgraded it to this:

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icydergosu
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
528 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-23 20:01:45
December 23 2014 19:28 GMT
#20
Regarding your bandwidth testing remarks, there is not really much to it. Download something for n seconds and see how much traffic was transferred. One could easily write something like that using curl and any language of your choice.

If the most you can get are 10 Mbps per download thread your ISP is throttling your internet connection which is a bad thing and i would for example not use such an ISP at all unless they clearly say so when they advertise the package. Ok i lied, if it was the only available fiber provider i totally would as well(low latency).

I am not familiar with Canadian networks so perhaps people could post some more 1GB Files for testing purposes, you should be able to max out your connection to at least some of the canadian networks using only one download thread if your ISP is not throttling your connection.

Perhaps you could try OVH Canada(BHS):
http://ipv4.bhs.proof.ovh.net/

1GB File from OVH Canada(BHS):
http://ipv4.bhs.proof.ovh.net/files/1Gio.dat

1GB File from Ramnode USA(NYC):
http://lg.nyc.ramnode.com/1000MB.test

If you have access to a Linux machine with curl installed(perhaps you could post the result):
curl -o /dev/null http://ipv4.bhs.proof.ovh.net/files/1Gio.dat
curl -o /dev/null http://lg.nyc.ramnode.com/1000MB.test
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