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On September 03 2014 00:32 Saechiis wrote:
Although the break of privacy is painful, I think in modern society these things will become more and more common until it's not that big of a deal anymore to have nudies on the internet. Who gives a fuck anyways, I saw them and now I've moved on.
Well, some of them are kind of a big deal. For instance, at least in the case of McKayla Maroney, there's some dispute as to whether or not it's considered child porn. I think the age of consent is a bit high in the US anyway, but I think that's a big deal considering she could be charged with distribution of child pornography and be considered a sex offender. Doubt that it would happen, but it's still a possibility.
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On September 03 2014 00:24 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 00:07 Boonbag wrote:
this story is hilarious
persons that are paid millions to show their ass / boobs / plastics to the whole world all year long, posing as victims
because of pictures ? of their ass ?
The photo were private, it means they were not to be shared. Also, give more respect, they aren't selling bodies, they are selling beauties. Quite a few of the photo showed more than ass.
hollywood brainwashing is strong indeed
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The whole point of the rule of law is so that you can engage in "risky" behaviour. It's perfectly reasonable to want to send nude photos of yourself to your significant other if you can't see each other for a long time. Just as it's perfectly reasonable to wear revealing clothing on a night out.
Sometimes it doesn't work perfectly and you need to take precautions that are inconvenient. Like keeping extra attention on your wallet or avoiding some parts of town altogether, especially at night. This sucks but it's the way it is. But when someone slips up and gets robbed don't fucking jump on them with your brilliant analysis on how they could have avoided it.
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I don't see the big deal. Nudes are pretty common in the current social climate. I guess it can be constituted loss of income for people acting for a living. Since people want to see a little more that is a selling point that is kind of lost now.
Anything written on a digital medium or any picture stored on it can end up anywhere. That is how modern information works in general. You can lower the risk in many ways but never eliminate it. Either people accept lack of privacy or choose their habits.
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The perpetrator might not be a dick or an asshole. Maybe he/she is a perfectly pleasant person to be around, who always goes the extra mile for friends and even strangers, who loves nature and sees beauty in every person.
I say this because I don't believe in blaming victims or demonizing perpetrators, but this only applies to in-court stuff, where I hate seeing attorneys attack peoples' character and intelligence. Outside of court, everything is fair game. You're not the judge or jury, you're just you. If you want to blame a victim, don't come up with some elaborate explanation for why you're doing it, you just do it, and if anyone asks why, you look them straight in the eye and say "Pick a stereotype and apply it to me, since that's what you're going to do anyhow after my potential explanation, which you will debate until the end of time." and then they will be like "Why are you getting so defensive?" to which you reply "I'm not being defensive, I'm just skipping a few steps to save time."
Sometimes, though, on certain websites, saying whatever you want will get you banned, if you happen to wander into the "unacceptable speech" territory. So really, you just have to weight the benefits of saying whatever you want with being the prospect of being banned.
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I don't see the big deal. Nudes are pretty common in the current social climate. I guess it can be constituted loss of income for people acting for a living. Since people want to see a little more that is a selling point that is kind of lost now.
Anything written on a digital medium or any picture stored on it can end up anywhere. That is how modern information works in general. You can lower the risk in many ways but never eliminate it. Either people accept lack of privacy or choose their habits.
it's their body, they shld get to choose who they share it with
at what pt do we consider "everything that u say/do cant b considered private bc the internet/connectivity etc." as something that we want n should respect? wen does that become more important than allowing ppl basic privacy rights?
if someone decides to do something in the privacy of their own home, if they decide 2 share something w someone else in
the context that it is for them n them alone, etc., at what pt do we start to say "well u fucked up its ur own fault"?
its much easier to blame the ppl its happening to, or even the ppl who r exposing the ppl its happening to than it is to say, for the ppl who r going after/seeking/viewing these things, "i just dont have any respect for my felow human beings"
so hot tho
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Canada3217 Posts
what I like the most about what they call the fappening is the name.
but I find it interesting that the icloud breach has been revealed just before apple released the new iphone 
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Maybe JLaw can find some guy to sue but that's not going to work (and basically just a little vindictive though I don't see a problem with that) .I understand if she and the other victims are upset and there are actual cyberlaws saying you can't go around hacking stuff. However that will not prevent this from happening again, that dude who leaked ScarJo and Mila Kunis a couple years ago got 10 years (and 10 years is way too much and completely ridiculous) and people still did this again.
If the celebs are okay with this after having sued some kid for no money and a lot of jail time then cool. If they, and everybody else, want to prevent this from happening again they need to learn basic computer security. Like, if you're using a computer you're a risk. Minimize that risk. No computer system is secure, Sony got hacked, Adobe got hacked, some guy just hacked the danish social security register. Take your pictures, send them, delete them. Apple and Facebook and everybody else probably steals your data and noone secures it adequately.
Also this could also be a lot worse, could be credit card details or whatever, instead it's a pair of boobs and a misplaced curling iron. Like that other dude said, people think it's bigger than it is and soon we'll have forgotten everything about this anyway. If anyone thinks Apple and Microsoft or someone else can guarantee that they're never getting compromised again then of course not, this isn't the last time this happens.
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On September 03 2014 01:16 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 00:24 ETisME wrote:On September 03 2014 00:07 Boonbag wrote:
this story is hilarious
persons that are paid millions to show their ass / boobs / plastics to the whole world all year long, posing as victims
because of pictures ? of their ass ?
The photo were private, it means they were not to be shared. Also, give more respect, they aren't selling bodies, they are selling beauties. Quite a few of the photo showed more than ass. hollywood brainwashing is strong indeed
I only know three actress at most
I didn't get brainwashed into believing that this aren't a big deal for them
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On September 03 2014 07:49 ninazerg wrote:
If you want to blame a victim, don't come up with some elaborate explanation for why you're doing it, you just do it, and if anyone asks why, you look them straight in the eye and say "Pick a stereotype and apply it to me, since that's what you're going to do anyhow after my potential explanation, which you will debate until the end of time."
But how are they supposed to know which stereotype to apply? You need to give them something.
At least until enough people start doing that and it creates its own stereotypes.
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On September 02 2014 21:56 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 21:48 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:On September 02 2014 21:34 Nebuchad wrote:On September 02 2014 21:30 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:On September 02 2014 21:27 Nebuchad wrote:On September 02 2014 21:02 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
I know that they assumed that it was on their "private" phones, but I don't think there's any reason to trust that something like your phone or even your computer (assuming that it's connected to the internetz) is a safe place to put pictures of yourself that you wouldn't want others seeing.
Except for, you know, the definition of 'private'... Except for, you know, if they sent it to someone and that person then decided to leak the photos... Which is, you know, not what happened... The point is though, what if it did? They didn't just take the photos for themselves, and if they did then they're pretty retarded. Why the hell would you take dozens of nude photos as well as possibly (unconfirmed) videos as well if you're just going to keep them on your phone? If Jennifer Lawrence really wanted to see herself naked, it's not like she needs to look at a pic of it. And if she's sending it to someone, there's just as much risk that the person she's sending it to leaks it as it being hacked. It's a pretty retarded situation and one that I personally wouldn't put myself in. Well your point is terrible. Obviously these are pictures taken in the context of a relationship, where there was a certain amount of trust. Could the other member of the relationship have broken that trust? Yeah. But he didn't, and so that's completely irrelevant to the situation.
People sex text all the time. If you take lude pictures of yourself as a celebrity when you know how TMZ, Paparazzi, leaked sex tapes and all that jazz work. Well shit, you're sort of asking for it just as much as the next person because guess what-- this doesn't just happen to celebrities. Sometimes it's best to know when to keep it in your darn pants especially if it means keeping a job because you know companies are sort of targeting those sort of things now too. It doesn't even have to be sex acts that they will find offensive. Heck, I know certain members of this community *cough* losing job offers at certain companies *Riot cough* for such antics. So next time you do something stupid. You might want to ask yourself if it's worth the risk. Good celebrities get off easy in this and they still benefit from such publicity. Don't get me wrong, the hackers are scum but if you don't want your private parts all over the net there are certain precautions you can take against such shit.
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I just want to point out that part of this conversation should be changed. The pictures were taken and then shared. They were not wholly private as we think of it. Once that picture is shared with another person, even if the expressed intent is just one person, it is rare that, that becomes the case. While I don't condone hacking, and I think what happened is definitely a breach of these celebrities security and the privacy they should have in their bodies, this should not be framed the same way. When something goes online, it is no longer private and no longer protected speech. While I feel for these ladies, sharing these photos in the first place, if they didn't want others to see them, was a bad move simply by the way technology now works with mobile storage.
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TLADT24920 Posts
I can't believe some people seem to be downplaying what happened. I don't really care if they get paid to pose whatever. The fact remains that these pictures were meant to be private and they got leaked by hackers. That's nothing short of an invasion of privacy and need for discipline. Let's put it this way: people are free to take whatever pictures they want even if its nude ones. It's true that they should be more cautious considering their status but just because they have a certain line of work doesn't mean that leaking nude photos of them is fine!
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On September 03 2014 13:14 BigFan wrote:
I can't believe some people seem to be downplaying what happened. I don't really care if they get paid to pose whatever. The fact remains that these pictures were meant to be private and they got leaked by hackers. That's nothing short of an invasion of privacy and need for discipline. Let's put it this way: people are free to take whatever pictures they want even if its nude ones. It's true that they should be more cautious considering their status but just because they have a certain line of work doesn't mean that leaking nude photos of them is fine!
I considered it worse that they leaked pictures of people that are acting. Since it might constitute a loss of income in future contracts.
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United States862 Posts
Comparing the "fappening" to rape proves how over dramatic you are. Same as the stupid bitch who called everyone sex offenders for looking at the pictures. Same as that other stupid bitch that called everyone who looked at them molesters. Privacy doesnt exist and this isnt the first time someones "icloud" was hacked or phone stolen. The "hacker" is a dick, the celebs made ill informed and outright dumb decisions, and the obligatory social media/nsa/telecomunications dont respect your privacy. More news at 11.
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lol we should have a poll to see how many people have sex texted before or sent images of themselves in nonsensical positions.
Poll: Have you sex texted before?Fuck no. (14) 82% Sent images to your gf/bf. (2) 12% Sent images to someone else. (1) 6% 17 total votes Your vote: Have you sex texted before? (Vote): Sent images to your gf/bf.
(Vote): Sent images to someone else.
(Vote): Fuck no.
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The default setting on your phone is to upload every picture you take to iCloud, I believe. Same with Android phones and your G+ holding area.
Privacy settings are reasonable, but they default to SHARE EVERYTHING EVER. Facebook is also guilty of this; their settings are great, but they default to you just sharing everything with everyone so facebook can show your habits to other people for ad revenue or whatever.
It's not always obvious it's doing it, either. The only reason I knew my droid was uploading my photos is that when I next logged into my mail on a PC I had notifications with the pictures I had taken in them.
It should never be a "well don't take pictures", because people can do what they want with their own person. It should never be a "well don't upload them", because the phone does it AUTOMATICALLY and it's not obvious that it's doing it when you pick up your phone.
The iCloud service needed to be more secure (Apple haven't been doing so well on that front with their SSL Epic Fail, etc), and people just need to not be dicks (like that will happen).
In a fit of "yeah I saw that coming", most of the people clamouring for more private pictures are the ones that also fight to protect their OWN privacy. Hypocrisy rules.
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On September 03 2014 18:02 Gowerly wrote:
The default setting on your phone is to upload every picture you take to iCloud, I believe. Same with Android phones and your G+ holding area.
Privacy settings are reasonable, but they default to SHARE EVERYTHING EVER. Facebook is also guilty of this; their settings are great, but they default to you just sharing everything with everyone so facebook can show your habits to other people for ad revenue or whatever.
It's not always obvious it's doing it, either. The only reason I knew my droid was uploading my photos is that when I next logged into my mail on a PC I had notifications with the pictures I had taken in them.
It should never be a "well don't take pictures", because people can do what they want with their own person. It should never be a "well don't upload them", because the phone does it AUTOMATICALLY and it's not obvious that it's doing it when you pick up your phone.
The iCloud service needed to be more secure (Apple haven't been doing so well on that front with their SSL Epic Fail, etc), and people just need to not be dicks (like that will happen).
In a fit of "yeah I saw that coming", most of the people clamouring for more private pictures are the ones that also fight to protect their OWN privacy. Hypocrisy rules.
Just to clear something up, apple has confirmed their security wasn't the issue. Somehow the hackers figured out/obtained the passwords and or security questions. Updated the OP:
We wanted to provide an update to our investigation into the theft of photos of certain celebrities. When we learned of the theft, we were outraged and immediately mobilized Apple's engineers to discover the source. Our customers' privacy and security are of utmost importance to us. After more than 40 hours of investigation, we have discovered that certain celebrity accounts were compromised by a very targeted attack on user names, passwords and security questions, a practice that has become all too common on the Internet. None of the cases we have investigated has resulted from any breach in any of Apple's systems including iCloud® or Find my iPhone. We are continuing to work with law enforcement to help identify the criminals involved. To protect against this type of attack, we advise all users to always use a stong password and enable two-step verification. Both of these are addressed on our website at http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4232.
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On September 03 2014 18:30 UdderChaos wrote:
Just to clear something up, apple has confirmed their security wasn't the issue. Somehow the hackers figured out/obtained the passwords and or security questions.
Well, admitting their security being the issue few days before revealing new iPhone would be a pretty bad idea, we'll never know but I won't blindly accept what they say
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On September 03 2014 18:30 UdderChaos wrote:
Just to clear something up, apple has confirmed their security wasn't the issue. Somehow the hackers figured out/obtained the passwords and or security questions. Updated the OP:
The verb you're looking for is claimed.
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