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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
On September 03 2014 18:30 UdderChaos wrote: Just to clear something up, apple has confirmed their security wasn't the issue. Somehow the hackers figured out/obtained the passwords and or security questions. Updated the OP: hehehe | ||
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Battleaxe
United States843 Posts
On September 03 2014 19:02 hypercube wrote: The verb you're looking for is claimed. So if Apple actually admitted a security flaw you wouldn't be ok with the use of 'confirmed' either? Look at the apple article they refer you to about password, says right there they consider a 'strong' password to contain at least one capital letter, number, no repeating characters, and not your username. The fact it doesn't even mention using a symbol but would be considered a 'strong' password in my opinion is a statement about how little Apple feels its userbase understands about security. It is certainly plausible many of these celebs used easy passwords. If this article that was linked off the zdnet article earlier in the blog is any indication, this seemed pretty easy using google to get some personal info and some software already available: http://blog.crackpassword.com/2013/02/norwegian-teenagers-hacking-icloud-accounts/ Also haven't seen anything providing details regarding how long it took the hacker to obtain the information. They could have been obtaining credentials for months as people generally don't change their pw often, then grab everything at once. Obviously it raised the alarms but they probably got away with more data then picking people off one by one. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12499 Posts
On September 03 2014 20:28 Battleaxe wrote: So if Apple actually admitted a security flaw you wouldn't be ok with the use of 'confirmed' either? Look at the apple article they refer you to about password, says right there they consider a 'strong' password to contain at least one capital letter, number, no repeating characters, and not your username. The fact it doesn't even mention using a symbol but would be considered a 'strong' password in my opinion is a statement about how little Apple feels its userbase understands about security. It is certainly plausible many of these celebs used easy passwords. That's because one of the answers is convenient for Apple and the other isn't, so it makes sense to be cautious about one more than the other. The rest of what you said also makes sense, of course. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 02 2014 20:35 UdderChaos wrote: There is no doubt that the hacker who did this is a sick fuck quite frankly. hahahahaha. not really. | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On September 03 2014 23:29 krndandaman wrote: I was just surprised so many people have nude photos of themselves, especially celebrities who definitely have a higher chance of getting such pictures leaked. Am I the weird one for not having nudes of myself? lol #LeakForJLaw | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
On September 03 2014 20:28 Battleaxe wrote: So if Apple actually admitted a security flaw you wouldn't be ok with the use of 'confirmed' either? Look at the apple article they refer you to about password, says right there they consider a 'strong' password to contain at least one capital letter, number, no repeating characters, and not your username. The fact it doesn't even mention using a symbol but would be considered a 'strong' password in my opinion is a statement about how little Apple feels its userbase understands about security. It is certainly plausible many of these celebs used easy passwords. If this article that was linked off the zdnet article earlier in the blog is any indication, this seemed pretty easy using google to get some personal info and some software already available: http://blog.crackpassword.com/2013/02/norwegian-teenagers-hacking-icloud-accounts/ Also haven't seen anything providing details regarding how long it took the hacker to obtain the information. They could have been obtaining credentials for months as people generally don't change their pw often, then grab everything at once. Obviously it raised the alarms but they probably got away with more data then picking people off one by one. According to some 4chan threads thats exactly what happened. The hacker(s) claims that they/he/she have many, many, more photos of other celebrities that they have not yet released. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 03 2014 14:06 Yurie wrote: I considered it worse that they leaked pictures of people that are acting. Since it might constitute a loss of income in future contracts. well, that too of course but it's all the people that seem to think what happened isn't a big deal because of the line of work these people are in. I'm not saying it compares to other heinous acts but it's a huge invasion of privacy and I hope they find the culprit, punish him as well as find the source of the leak and fix it. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On September 02 2014 21:27 Nebuchad wrote: Except for, you know, the definition of 'private'... Negro please, it's a computer. Computers connected to the web are accessible by every other human who has a computer connected to the web. It's not as safe as a box under your bed with a lock and key. Imagine that you have a box under your bed with a lock on it, but every single lock pick in the world can attempt to break that lock, no matter where they live. And they can try as many times as they want to, until they get it right. That is what a "private" computer connected to the web is. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
I could go on and on about the various little groups that have formed up against this, from the feminists who are using this to declare that they're still under attack to fucking Vice who are declaring that this represents a new kind of perverts. Yeah, leaked nudies are fucking new, apparently. But by far the biggest hypocrites and funnily enough the people who have generated opinions for most of you to borrow and treat as your own opinions are the god damn media themselves. Every single outlet is now babbling about how the privacy of these poor little helpless, precious little flowers has been infringed upon, when the entire subculture (or more realistically, the entire culture) promoting obsession over these celebrities is generated by those news channels. The same people who pay heaps of money to get exclusive nip slips and cooch shots on famous women coming out of cars are the people who are now telling me that my curiosity makes me a bad person at best, and some form of rapist at worst (like holy shit...). Yet I never paid tens of thousands of dollars to get the rights to publish Britney Spear's vagina to the entire world. The Huffington Post is perhaps the funniest example of a massive double standard that some brands of feminist don't seem to concern themselves with. They've posted a shitload of articles about "The Fappening" bringing immense and generalized awareness to the existence of the photos, declaring that the people who are responsible for them are essentially subhuman monsters. And yet what happens when men's pics are leaked, you think? Anthony Weiner's pics. PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS!!!! They destroyed the man because it's fun to do and it generates views. I saw this man's bulge on my screen though I never asked for it. I never saw Jlaw's leaked pics on any news website though. What did the Huffington Post do when Greg Oden's naked pictures surged? They didn't just report about it, they had a POLL for the readers to pass judgement on Greg's big black dick. And one of the options in the poll allowed THP's very refined and non-sexist readers to suggest that Greg should "pursue a different line of work", suggesting that this black dude should put his dick to work instead of playing basketball. What if THP wrote an article judging JLaw tits, asking the readers "are those tits just alright or should she leave acting and do porn?". Would that be okay? Would suggesting that JLaw redirect her career toward something more tits-orientated qualify as good fun and a funny joke? As for the "blaming the victim" thing, people ought to be cautious because no matter what, there are people to get you. It's unavoidable and it's true for all facets of life, people are fucking dicks and I hope that Jennifer Lawrence and the other people who were hit by this will be fine. That's not blaming the victim, it's being realistic. There are things to say about shitty services and bad security on websites, and weird systems that don't let you delete your pictures. There are things to say about society and how we can try to prevent people from being shitty. But let's be real, in today's world, you can't get around it, your privacy is something that you actively need to protect because of the new technologies. It's the new way of things. We can imagine an utopia wherein people are respectful to each other, and we can imagine riding fucking unicorns to Mars to have lunch with Duke Fucking Wayne. Good day. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12499 Posts
On September 05 2014 00:05 vOdToasT wrote: Negro please, it's a computer. Computers connected to the web are accessible by every other human who has a computer connected to the web. It's not as safe as a box under your bed with a lock and key. And if I have a rock and I break your window, I can access your house. Does that mean your house isn't private property? | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 05 2014 01:04 Djzapz wrote: The sheer amount of hypocrisy that surrounds this whole ordeal is absolutely INSANE. You have all these news sources all up in arms about the leak of nudie pics and a bunch of people taking various philosophical and utopian and sometimes just contrary positions with these little bullshit moralizing stances that serve no purpose but people like to look down upon others, since they're so much better than the rest of us. I could go on and on about the various little groups that have formed up against this, from the feminists who are using this to declare that they're still under attack to fucking Vice who are declaring that this represents a new kind of perverts. Yeah, leaked nudies are fucking new, apparently. But by far the biggest hypocrites and funnily enough the people who have generated opinions for most of you to borrow and treat as your own opinions are the god damn media themselves. Every single outlet is now babbling about how the privacy of these poor little helpless, precious little flowers has been infringed upon, when the entire subculture (or more realistically, the entire culture) promoting obsession over these celebrities is generated by those news channels. The same people who pay heaps of money to get exclusive nip slips and cooch shots on famous women coming out of cars are the people who are now telling me that my curiosity, makes me a bad person at best, and some form of rapist at worst (like holy shit...). Yet I never paid tens of thousands of dollars to get the rights to publish Britney Spear's vagina to the entire world. The Huffington Post is perhaps the funniest example of a massive double standard that some brands of feminist don't seem to concern themselves with. They've posted a shitload of articles about "The Fappening" bringing immense and generalized awareness to the existence of the photos, declaring that the people who are responsible for them are essentially subhuman monsters. And yet what happens when men's pics are leaked, you think? Anthony Weiner's pics. PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS!!!! They destroyed the man because it's fun to do and it generates views. I saw this man's bulge on my screen though I never asked for it. I never saw Jlaw's leaked pics on any news website though. What did the Huffington Post do when Greg Oden's naked pictures surged? They didn't just report about it, they had a POLL for the readers to pass judgement on Greg's big black dick. And one of the options in the poll allowed THP's very refined and non-sexist readers to suggest that Greg should "pursue a different line of work", suggesting that this black dude should put his dick to work instead of playing basketball. What if THP wrote an article judging JLaw tits, asking the readers "are those tits just alright or should she leave acting and do porn?". Would that be okay? Would suggesting that JLaw redirect her career toward something more tits-orientated qualify as good fun and a funny joke? As for the "blaming the victim" thing, people ought to be cautious because no matter what, there are people to get you. It's unavoidable and it's true for all facets of life, people are fucking dicks and I hope that Jennifer Lawrence and the other people who were hit by this will be fine. That's not blaming the victim, it's being realistic. There are things to say about shitty services and bad security on websites, and weird systems that don't let you delete your pictures. There are things to say about society and how we can try to prevent people from being shitty. But let's be real, in today's world, you can't get around it, your privacy is something that you actively need to protect because of the new technologies. It's the new way of things. We can imagine an utopia wherein people are respectful to each other, and we can imagine riding fucking unicorns to Mars to have lunch with Duke Fucking Wayne. Good day. Quite a strong opinion lol not that I disagree with what you wrote. I missed those other leaks of Greg and Anthony so I never saw the pictures or polls etc... but if what you say is true, yes, it is ridiculous that there is a double standard in regards to this stuff. Had a good laugh at bolded part lol. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12499 Posts
Either you want them to react the same on the other issues, or you attack them for their reaction on this one. If you do both, there's a problem. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On September 05 2014 02:16 Nebuchad wrote: So there are two directions in your post, Djzapz. They're a bit contradictory. You're attacking them for not doing the same thing when men are concerned, and for me that's a fair point. At the same time you paint them as annoying and whiny, suggesting very clearly that you don't like what they're doing now. So, that means you want them to annoy you when men are concerned as well? Either you want them to react the same on the other issues, or you attack them for their reaction on this one. If you do both, there's a problem. My post 1- Medias have a double standard in that men pics leaking are fine but women pics leaking are horrible 2- Medias are fine with their own invasion of privacy on celebrities, which makes them hypocrites The only reason why I paint the media as annoying and whiny is because they themselves participate to the problem on a MASSIVE scale. How can the media bitch and moan about how horrible this "4 CHAN PERSON" is (great journalism btw) when they themselves are guilty of propagating this culture of breaking into the lives of celebrities, and they themselves publish photographs which infringe on the private lives of those celebrities. If the media came to the defense of EVERYONE who had leaked pics (men and women) and if they themselves didn't provide the public with pictures which invade the privacy of people, then I would think the medias are participating to making society a little bit better. But instead they're just being hypocrites, consoling Jlaw and defending her honor, while fondling her ass ever so gently. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12499 Posts
Granted all this, there's still no reason to paint their reaction now as annoying and whiny, unless you think that they are. In my mind at least, it weakens your criticism. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On September 05 2014 03:03 Nebuchad wrote: You can add a third hypocrisy. We're supposed to not have any contact with these pics now, "out of principle"... How come there was no problem using Sterling's words against him once they were leaked by his gf? If I want to get the pics, they're in public space now, I'm not doing anything wrong. Granted all this, there's still no reason to paint their reaction now as annoying and whiny, unless you think that they are. In my mind at least, it weakens your criticism. They're only annoying and whiny because they're hypocrites. My point is that if they were innocent themselves and posted these articles condemning the people who leaked the pictures, I wouldn't have any problem with it. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On September 05 2014 01:04 Djzapz wrote: The sheer amount of hypocrisy that surrounds this whole ordeal is absolutely INSANE. You have all these news sources all up in arms about the leak of nudie pics and a bunch of people taking various philosophical and utopian and sometimes just contrary positions with these little bullshit moralizing stances that serve no purpose but people like to look down upon others, since they're so much better than the rest of us. I could go on and on about the various little groups that have formed up against this, from the feminists who are using this to declare that they're still under attack to fucking Vice who are declaring that this represents a new kind of perverts. Yeah, leaked nudies are fucking new, apparently. But by far the biggest hypocrites and funnily enough the people who have generated opinions for most of you to borrow and treat as your own opinions are the god damn media themselves. Every single outlet is now babbling about how the privacy of these poor little helpless, precious little flowers has been infringed upon, when the entire subculture (or more realistically, the entire culture) promoting obsession over these celebrities is generated by those news channels. The same people who pay heaps of money to get exclusive nip slips and cooch shots on famous women coming out of cars are the people who are now telling me that my curiosity makes me a bad person at best, and some form of rapist at worst (like holy shit...). Yet I never paid tens of thousands of dollars to get the rights to publish Britney Spear's vagina to the entire world. The Huffington Post is perhaps the funniest example of a massive double standard that some brands of feminist don't seem to concern themselves with. They've posted a shitload of articles about "The Fappening" bringing immense and generalized awareness to the existence of the photos, declaring that the people who are responsible for them are essentially subhuman monsters. And yet what happens when men's pics are leaked, you think? Anthony Weiner's pics. PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS!!!! They destroyed the man because it's fun to do and it generates views. I saw this man's bulge on my screen though I never asked for it. I never saw Jlaw's leaked pics on any news website though. What did the Huffington Post do when Greg Oden's naked pictures surged? They didn't just report about it, they had a POLL for the readers to pass judgement on Greg's big black dick. And one of the options in the poll allowed THP's very refined and non-sexist readers to suggest that Greg should "pursue a different line of work", suggesting that this black dude should put his dick to work instead of playing basketball. What if THP wrote an article judging JLaw tits, asking the readers "are those tits just alright or should she leave acting and do porn?". Would that be okay? Would suggesting that JLaw redirect her career toward something more tits-orientated qualify as good fun and a funny joke? As for the "blaming the victim" thing, people ought to be cautious because no matter what, there are people to get you. It's unavoidable and it's true for all facets of life, people are fucking dicks and I hope that Jennifer Lawrence and the other people who were hit by this will be fine. That's not blaming the victim, it's being realistic. There are things to say about shitty services and bad security on websites, and weird systems that don't let you delete your pictures. There are things to say about society and how we can try to prevent people from being shitty. But let's be real, in today's world, you can't get around it, your privacy is something that you actively need to protect because of the new technologies. It's the new way of things. We can imagine an utopia wherein people are respectful to each other, and we can imagine riding fucking unicorns to Mars to have lunch with Duke Fucking Wayne. Good day. Good on you to rant about THP but I don't think that's really noteworthy. Anyone with half a brain can tell that HuffPost is garbage. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On September 05 2014 03:58 xes wrote: Good on you to rant about THP but I don't think that's really noteworthy. Anyone with half a brain can tell that HuffPost is garbage. THP is far from the only news outlet to do that shit. They all do it to a certain extent, some are worse than others. The Sun and tabloids do it, the BBC does it from time to time. Some news outlets don't do it very much if at all but they're few and far between. I only happened to pick THP because I had examples on hand. Example of what I posted earlier: http://imgur.com/gallery/CQ5qgvu Now it doesn't matter that Gawker/Jezebel are complete filth, the point is that if they reversed them, the outcry would be so massive that Gawker would be run into the ground. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On September 05 2014 01:54 Nebuchad wrote: And if I have a rock and I break your window, I can access your house. Does that mean your house isn't private property? Not every one can throw a rock at my house. People in China can't. People in other cities can't. You missed my point. Having a window is not as risky as having files that you don't want exposed, on computers with internet connection. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12499 Posts
On September 05 2014 05:12 vOdToasT wrote: Not every one can throw a rock at my house. People in China can't. People in other cities can't. You missed my point. Having a window is not as risky as having files that you don't want exposed, on computers with internet connection. You don't have a point. You're acting as if privacy was dependant on ease of access, which it isn't. If I let my door wide open and a robber comes in, he still violated my privacy. Insurance won't pay me back, but if the cops catch him, they aren't going to be like 'hey, the door was open, you know, it's all fine'. And even if you want to go with that analogy, they didn't let the door open, since it took a hacker to get in. "Well, you know, you chose to live in that dangerous neighborhood, so really it's your fault that you're getting robbed" | ||
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