EPTMy inferiority complex
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Deleted User 97295
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
if you thnk logically, as long as you learn from the game, it doesn't matter if it's winning or losing.. hope it helped. | ||
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bakesale
United States187 Posts
If you want to be competitive (in tournaments), then yes, being a good player and winning is important. You can improve with dedicated training, which may be relatively hard and boring. If you can't manage losing, you might not be cut out for competitive play. If you want to have fun playing a game, then find ways to have fun and improve regardless of winning or losing the game. If you're not so bad that your friends still play with you, then great. Dota is a fun game to play with friends, and you're lucky that your friends are better: they can bring you up to their level. If they were worse than you, you'd stagnate. Make having fun with friends your top priority: if losses are upsetting you or causing friction between friends, just take a day off or go get 20-0 in a bot game. Find enjoyment in games whether you win or lose. I know a lot of people in the Dota community would insult that attitude, but life is fucking hard enough without burdening yourself with stress from a video game. There are only a handful of people on this planet that care anything about your Dota 2 MMR, and probably in ten years zero people will. Make improvement a second priority: set benchmarks for your performance on certain heroes independent of game win/loss. Specific things like CS/level/core items by a certain time. When your friends point out mistakes, follow up on that after the game. Ask them to clarify and expand. Use a local lobby or the replay takeover function to practice specific skills/situations. Watch pro games in client from the player perspective and don't just passively spectate, make an effort to understand their actions. Find satisfaction in having improved your play, even if it wasn't game-changing. You'll lose a game roughly half of the time, it's not a critical disaster. Have fun and learn something from every game. Dota is incredibly replayable and deep, so there should be no end to either of these. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
remove the belief that winning or failing has anything to do with you as a person, instead look at the game as mere data that is either learning or progressing. anything outside of this essentially hinders your own ability to succeed. also from my standpoint you need new friends. who the fuck cares what your friend thinks? especially if it's not beneficial in helping you progress? as far as i'm concerned you and your friends are all newbs, why should you care about wins or losses over learning as much as possible? dota isn't a game you get good at in 1 year even if you had practice for 24 hours a day for 1 year. when you have played for 5 years as i have, and have more than 10,000 games played, then you can come back and tell me if you in actuality have an inferiority complex. i highly doubt you have the right for self pity when you have not even given your self the chance to practice and put the adequate time in. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
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cheese sandwich
Russian Federation194 Posts
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totalpigeon
United Kingdom162 Posts
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makmeatt
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On August 04 2014 09:46 Laertes wrote: I was born with some kind of mental inferiority complex. Losing is very painful for me, winning is never enough. I am not naturally talented at dota and it pains me to think if I will never be any good. I took up dota last year but my friends have always been better than me, they say I make stupid mistakes and it kills me because it is true. I don't like to lose and every loss is unbearably painful, I just made this thread to vent but some moral help would be nice, there isn't enough of it in the dota community and I don't like being bad but I am very bad unfortunately, I need help. You ain't born with anything, it's just how you were raised. Complex sociological shit involved. The first and foremost thing you should ask yourself is if what you do is to be considered fun and/or fulfilling for you; if it's not (not just now, not at all, you can't imagine it to be), then it's not worth your time and you should chase other endeavors. If it is, then you should focus on that. If you want to get good, then you have to understand that without losing there's no improvement, without making mistakes there's no learning. Once you accept that as a vital part of the process, deep inside yourself, it will only get better. | ||
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Avs
Korea (North)857 Posts
If you truly want to see how good you are and how far you can go, devote 6 hours of a day to this game. Organize some method of practice for many heroes in a row. Winning and losing no longer will matter. What will matter is whether you are consistent and comfortable with X hero. Once you master one, start on the next. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On August 04 2014 19:43 teddyoojo wrote: of course mmr isnt perfectly representing skill but it still holds true that if ur 4k ur 100% likely to be shit at dota No, at 4K MMR you're a good player, we can compare it to diamond in SC2. Sure it's bad compared to the pros but waaaay above bnet pubs. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
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iyasq8
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Deleted User 97295
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
The second step to dota is to know that those around you are bad, and possibly not okay with it. They may be slightly less bad or more bad than you, it should not matter. Ignore the flames, suppress your own flames, for we are all imperfect and raging does not improve you, nor does it help you enjoy the game. You can stop here if you like, you will be much happier than if you do not follow steps 1 and 2. However, to improve we must continue. The third step to dota is to be introspective. Why did you lose that lane? Was it the correct decision to take that rosh fight? Was it execution, or was it strategy? Knowing your flaws will allow you to remedy them. Consciously remember the mistakes of past games and attempt to change your decision making and positioning. The fourth step is to practice. This does not mean mindlessly spamming pub matches . It can mean practicing ward spots, practicing body blocking, practicing skill combos, practicing minion micro, practicing tread swapping, the list is quite long. Practice is the remedy to flaws in execution. If you are able to accomplish these four steps, you will doubtlessly improve as a player. Depending on your dedication and time, possibly allow you to walk the road to 5k. However, there is one last step. The fifth and final step has only been undertaken by few individuals in history. That is, the last step is to become dota. In truth, there is a little dota in all of us, however only IceFrog has managed to become dota. To become dota is to reach nirvana. | ||
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bakesale
United States187 Posts
On August 05 2014 00:36 Laertes wrote: I can play 7-8 hours of video games without breaking a sweat. That's what made me feel like I could probably play competitively, the problem with pubs at my level is I get no fulfillment out of them, they are disgusting and coin floppy and promote mistakes since everyone around you is bad. But I was once 700 MMR is the thing. I couldn't accept that. What did I do? I risked a lot of money to buy an account. Thinking back on it, I am getting better. I must be, I dropped from 3k to 2.4k and will drop no lower, I can go no higher, it must be my value ATM, But I can't accept that. Yesterday, I bought an account once again, this time it is 4.8k, I will learn to be 4k if it kills me. It is an interesting story because I was actually being sold the account by a progamer Named fi-sama. She is a 5.6k rated female progamer whose name I recognize but from whence I cannot recall. She befriended me last night and encouraged me, she was selling the account very cheap too, (20 dollars for a 5k account is very cheap you see) because it was for education. Perhaps there is hope yet. I don't want to be too harsh, but if you are playing 7-8 hours a day with 700 (or even 2.4k) MMR, you should just forget about trying to be competitive. Have a good time playing with your friends and improve your skill. Pubs are not as coin-flippy as you think. MMR isn't a perfect measurement of skill, but a 5k player would rocket out of the 2k range. Everyone at that level is bad, including yourself. You can only directly control your play, so improve that. Buying accounts is bizarre, if you have a hard time dealing with losses, why would you want a 5k account? You eventually drop from 5k to whatever, and have a majority of losses along the way. You say it's for education, but I don't know what you're going to learn that you couldn't by spectating pro games/streams/first page matches, other than seeing that you don't belong at an MMR that you didn't earn. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On August 05 2014 08:07 bakesale wrote: I don't want to be too harsh, but if you are playing 7-8 hours a day with 700 (or even 2.4k) MMR, you should just forget about trying to be competitive. Have a good time playing with your friends and improve your skill. Pubs are not as coin-flippy as you think. MMR isn't a perfect measurement of skill, but a 5k player would rocket out of the 2k range. Everyone at that level is bad, including yourself. You can only directly control your play, so improve that. Buying accounts is bizarre, if you have a hard time dealing with losses, why would you want a 5k account? You eventually drop from 5k to whatever, and have a majority of losses along the way. You say it's for education, but I don't know what you're going to learn that you couldn't by spectating pro games/streams/first page matches, other than seeing that you don't belong at an MMR that you didn't earn. I want would like to agree with one of the points that was mentioned. Pubs are not coin flippy at all. When I started, I had natural gaming ability, I had years of BW experience, on-top of SC2 semi-pro experience, as well as over 100 pro matches watched. Not to mention I acted as a peace mediator for the team, trying to get everyone to be friendly and cooperate. My win rate was initially a consistant 80-85%, then slowed down to about 70% with a negative derivative. After that I reached level 13, I was able to play ranked, I started at 3.8k MMR, and my win rate over the next hundred games decreased to roughly 55% from roughly 70%, until I stalled at 4.5k MMR. From there, I played, and have been increasing roughly 50-100 MMR a month, with a standard deviation of 50~. Over a decent sample size, your MMR will very accurately reflect your skill level, and I hate when people refer to MMR as a shitty way to gauge skill. I think it drops off in validity at the 5.5k+ level, simply due to the game being much less about map awareness and mechanical skill, rather than team decisions and overall strategy, but up to that point, it's very accurate. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
Man, I love to sing, and I love to dance. And I would love to be good at them, but I'm just not, and never will be, genetics can't give you everything man. So now, I might dance for fun, sing a little for fun, but know I'm not hot shit, and laugh it off when my friends bug me about it. I try to get better so I can look like someone who can pass it off, but I know I wont be the best, I know I wont be winning competitions. That's fine for me, I enjoy the experience. I think you should take that kind of approach, because what you are doing now, it's not healthy. If you're going to put this much effort into something in life with no reward but self fulfillment, usually you'll benefit more from doing something that affects the world in a greater way than reaching 3k MMR. Have some aspirations man! You're 2.4k MMR, you're a passable player, play with friends, try your best, and have a good time. | ||
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FFGenerations
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On August 04 2014 19:34 Avs wrote: MMR does not reflect skill, or intelligence. Why do so many people think MMR is some sort of perfect algorithm? Its a piece of trash especially the higher you go. How do you know MMR isn't relevant at the highest level? Pros never talk about it seriously. If you truly want to see how good you are and how far you can go, devote 6 hours of a day to this game. Organize some method of practice for many heroes in a row. Winning and losing no longer will matter. What will matter is whether you are consistent and comfortable with X hero. Once you master one, start on the next. well said | ||
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Deleted User 97295
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goody153
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Just don't take the game seriously and stop being competitive. You know do it for fun and just stop looking at your mistakes and others mistakes as well. Just relax when playing remember it's a game. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On August 05 2014 23:40 Laertes wrote: I fail to understand why I cannot learn how to play dota because I'm only 2.4k. That doesn't make any sense and you have to start somewhere. I can't believe how people say "it's not worth it because you have to work harder than me.". What do you know about life, saying shit like that? It's just false, and it's why I'm not getting better. Because I'm listening to people who have no idea what they are talking about. There are some good points on this forum, but I don't agree with all of them, and if you think determination is unhealthy then newsflash, what are you doing with your life that's so great? If you truly PLAY 7-8 hours a day, I mean actual game time not spending time afk reading tl, and you dont see ANY improvement then your mind set has to so incredibly fucked. there is so much amazing matrial about how to have a good mindset, what it means and what you should focus on ect, (day[9]'s podcasts are great for this!) if you are prepared to spend so much time in it and you have the goal to improve, start making time count instead of wasting it trying to find conformation on the ideas you already have, which by the looks of your previeus posts are really fucked and terrible for dota. | ||
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FFGenerations
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try playing puck or nyx until you get a 50 (60?)% winrate with them over 50 games each and you will learn a lot of hidden improvements you need to make to your play that you wont ever notice whilst playing an OP hero like lycan or sb for example, missing any skillshot ever = you are shit missing any cs that you could have got = you are shit not realising that you could have farmed your next sub-item before dying = you are shit not using quickbuy = you are shit any wasted time = you are shit any missed tp to help a teammate and secure a kill = you are shit any time you ever got caught out = you are shit any time you engage or initiate and end up feeding/your team doesn't show up soon enough = its YOUR fucking fault! any of these of any combination of these things = towers/runes/deaths/kills/control/farm/rosh lost = you just lost the game you wont EVER realise these things by playing heroes like lycan or sb but if you play a hero like puck then you will realise how much potential you are missing in your play coz you will realise u have a fucking 30% winrate with this hero compared to 80% with another easier hero. examples of improvements from playing a "difficult" (not mechanically difficult) hero: 1) you will never die before farming your next sub-item and hence be 1-4 minutes ahead in items than you previously were all the time 2) you will never initiate/engage without full knowledge that your team will be able to get into the fight within the 1-3 seconds of the initiation, and hence never be feeding wondering wtf happened to your team and then losing a tower and getting them wiped and then rosh and the rune and everyone raging at everyone 3) you will never get caught out because your map awareness is either perfect or on the safe side, e.g. the sniper game i played against a "decent" pudge the other day when he landed only 1 hook on me all game coz i had shit-hot map movement even with 0 wards all game 4) you will never miss those 1, 2, 3 cs every minute that you really should have gotten, and hence be up +400 gold over 4 minutes than you otherwise would have been, and hence finished buying a sub-item before dying, and being literally 4 minutes ahead of any given opponent just because your farm and item buying is immaculate 5) you will have a lot less blame for your teammates once you realise that if you yourself had played to your very high standard of the above things then you should really be +5 minutes +1 item and probably +1 tower +1 rune and -1 death and +1 kill than you are right now 6) once you attune to all of these tiny but cumulative faults you will feel the satisfaction of knowing you played well regardless of the outcome of the game and understand that your teammates would have to be pretty fucking amazing to play as well as you, and since you're in shitty MMR you can't expect them to be anywhere near your level and so can't blame them for being crap  7) fuck LC pickers and fuck LC pickers who dont know they're supposed to gank | ||
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schmitty9800
United States390 Posts
On August 05 2014 23:40 Laertes wrote: I fail to understand why I cannot learn how to play dota because I'm only 2.4k. That doesn't make any sense and you have to start somewhere. I can't believe how people say "it's not worth it because you have to work harder than me.". What do you know about life, saying shit like that? It's just false, and it's why I'm not getting better. Because I'm listening to people who have no idea what they are talking about. There are some good points on this forum, but I don't agree with all of them, and if you think determination is unhealthy then newsflash, what are you doing with your life that's so great? The fact that you bought two different accounts instead of just simply trying to improve your MMR makes people question your mentality. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
Lol I just read the other stuff you wrote. Why the fuck you thought buying an account is a good idea? Dont fake yourself into something you arent yet. Do you know what Day9 used to do to get good at BW? He started new accounts from scratch so he could learn the basics over and over and get motivated to climb the ladder again and again. Of course you get frustrated if you're playing people dozens of times better than you, you dont belong in 4k, have patience and do it legit. Also, if your mindset consists of blaming your low skill on unknown people whom you just asked for help you shouldnt take any competitive game seriously. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
the pleasure from gains is lower than the pain from losses? ![[image loading]](http://www.emeraldinsight.com/content_images/fig/0320290601001.png) you mean like every single human has had for tens of thousands of years? ur so special dude xD | ||
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Exoteric
Australia2330 Posts
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Advantageous
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Snerd
United States125 Posts
On August 05 2014 23:40 Laertes wrote: I fail to understand why I cannot learn how to play dota because I'm only 2.4k. That doesn't make any sense and you have to start somewhere. I can't believe how people say "it's not worth it because you have to work harder than me.". What do you know about life, saying shit like that? It's just false, and it's why I'm not getting better. Because I'm listening to people who have no idea what they are talking about. There are some good points on this forum, but I don't agree with all of them, and if you think determination is unhealthy then newsflash, what are you doing with your life that's so great? You're not going to learn how to be better than 2.4k at 4.8k. You're going to get shitstomped, your team mates are going to flame you, and the other team is going to laugh at you. If you want to be better play at your own mmr and get better from there. If you really have the capability to be better than 2.4k then you will go up, if not, you won't change. A shiny new account isn't going to change who you are or the way you play. | ||
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Snerd
United States125 Posts
On August 05 2014 23:40 Laertes wrote: I fail to understand why I cannot learn how to play dota because I'm only 2.4k. That doesn't make any sense and you have to start somewhere. I can't believe how people say "it's not worth it because you have to work harder than me.". What do you know about life, saying shit like that? It's just false, and it's why I'm not getting better. Because I'm listening to people who have no idea what they are talking about. There are some good points on this forum, but I don't agree with all of them, and if you think determination is unhealthy then newsflash, what are you doing with your life that's so great? I'm not going to say you can't learn, but you don't put a failing 7th grader through a college course so he can learn. Just start where you're at. | ||
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LamaMitHut
Germany187 Posts
you said that your mindset is your biggest problem, right? so buying accounts is the PERFECTLY WRONG way to get better. u lose a game, and u know that you are most problably the reason that your team lost. you win a game, and you know you got carried - OFC, this is depressing... play at your own MMR, and do not try to "adapt" to the skill level of much better players. try to be the one who knocks in your MMR-range. this is the way to get better. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
On August 08 2014 02:22 Snerd wrote: I'm not going to say you can't learn, but you don't put a failing 7th grader through a college course so he can learn. Just start where you're at. Sums up my thought. Very well said. | ||
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Snerd
United States125 Posts
Thanks man | ||
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