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Quantum Optics IV: Coherence & LWI

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Ideal26
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
United States185 Posts
May 18 2014 15:57 GMT
#1
Hey all. In case you’ve missed a lesson, so far we’ve covered:
Lasers
Scary Math
Raman Spectroscopy

The Raman lesson got pushed off the main page really quickly, so check it out if you didn’t see it! It has some pretty pictures! Today’s lesson will be less flashy as this past week I had a big deadline on a paper submission, had to deal with my boss being crazy since he’s leaving the country for a month, got terribly ill, and had to prepare a talk for a high school physics class that I gave on Friday. (on entanglement! It’ll probably be my next blog entry!)


Lesson 4. Quantum Coherence & Lasing without Inversion

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In lesson 1 we talked about lasers. We said that to have a laser you need something called “population inversion”, meaning you need more atoms that have too much energy than you have atoms in the lowest energy state. That way, we can “stimulate emission” of this extra energy in the form of photons that give us laser light. Based on this idea, it might seem silly for someone to think that maybe they could make a laser without this population inversion. But they did. And it worked. In fact, there are now many papers that discuss new ways to achieve lasing without inversion in various ways. Many of them are just theoretical models, but some have been proven experimentally. In this lesson we’ll consider a simple and rather general system that allows us to lase without inversion. First, we need to learn a new term.


Coherence

Coherence is a very important word in quantum optics, and while we talk about coherence on a daily basis and assume coherent light for many calculations, we spend little time actually defining what coherence is. There are many different ways to think about it, and it took me reading all of them (and more than those introduced here) before it clicked. I’ll present many statements about “coherence” and hopefully one or two of them will make sense to you. Even if they don’t, meh, you’ll be okay.


You've probably heard something about Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle before… it gives you a limit on how well you can know certain things about a quantum system (insert joke about telling an officer you don’t know how fast you were going but you know where you are…).


--Well, a coherent wavepacket (collection of many light waves traveling together) always has minimum uncertainty. So while the uncertainty principle will be stated as something is “greater than or equal to” something else, coherent wavepackets go with the “equal to”.

--The uncertainty relationship for an electromagnetic wave is between the phase and amplitude. So if the field was E=Acos(wt+ϕ), There would be some limit on how well we know the variation of A and the variation of ϕ. For a coherent field, these variations are equal.

--A coherent wave packet resembles a classical light field as closely as possible. So the quantum and classical descriptions should be almost exactly the same.

--A coherent wave will oscillate back and forth in the harmonic oscillator potential (see figure in lesson 2) without ever changing shape. It sticks together; it “coheres”.

--I’ll throw this one out there just for fun, for those of you that know quantum: The coherent state vector is an eigenstate of the field annihilation operator. (The “a” operator we met in lesson 2 that destroys photons!)


Although we won’t bother with the math that illustrates this principle, it is because of quantum coherence that we get lasing without inversion, electromagnetically induced transparency, and many other cool phenomena. Without coherence, none of this would work. So back to the point at hand now…



Lasing Without Inversion

For LWI we need a special 3 energy level system. The one we’ll talk about is actually a very common system we call the “lambda configuration”. It’s shown below:


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The frequencies ν1 and ν2 are the transition frequencies between the levels.

Now, the derivations behind the following equations are wayyy beyond the scope of this series. They literally take pages and pages of math to get through…I’ll present the results and follow it up with an explanation of what they mean conceptually.

If you want the real math, PM me or comment and I can scan a hand written derivation and post it, but I won’t have time to offer extremely detailed explanations of each step. Or check out the book "Quantum Optics" by Scully and Zubairy.


Basically, we apply electromagnetic fields to this system of atoms with the energy levels depicted in the figure above. The fields we apply have the same frequencies as the transitions between levels (ν1 and ν2). Then we solve the master laser equations that tells you how many atoms are in each energy level and what the electromagnetic field looks like.

We want an increase in the field with time in order to get a laser (we want more photons contributing to the light beam so the light amplifies), and we want to be able to do this with fewer atoms in the upper state than in the lower states (no inversion).


Let’s assume we prepare the system such that the populations in each of the 3 levels are distributed such that:

Ca(0)=0 Cb(0)=1/sqrt(2) Cc(0)=1/sqrt(2)*exp(-i*ϕ)

The C’s are how many atoms are in each level at time 0. Nothing is in a; the atoms are split evenly between levels b and c, except we put a phase shift between them (the exponent term). This just changes how they move with respect to each other.


If we solved the governing equations for this system with those initial conditions, we would get probabilities of an atom moving between each energy level. The probability of transitioning up to level a is given by the following expression:

Pa= Ct^2 * (1+cos(φ1-φ2-ϕ))

φ1, φ2 are phases associated with the transitions between a & b and a & c.


So if φ1-φ2-ϕ =±π, this is 0. There is no absorption! This is good if we want to lase, because absorption steals photons we would like to stimulate emission with. Since we aren’t doing the derivations here, I’ll just state that you can prove stimulated emission to either b or c is nonzero for any phase. So, if we know the values for φ1 and φ2, we can pick ϕ so that absorption is eliminated.


Alternatively…


An easy way to think of this concept: Levels b and c are independent of each other. Level a is coupled to both b and c. The probability of going from b to a and c to a is the sum of two independent probabilities. The probability of going from a to b and a to c is not a simple sum of the probabilities; there is an interference term because the transition that happens is dependent on both states b and c. This interference term can therefore make the total probability of going up to a from both states =0.

(Like the interference pattern in the double slit experiments, we’re creating constructive and destructive interference in this quantum system using properties of coherence. That’s why coherence is important, and if we’d gone through the painstaking math we would've used coherent properties explicitly.)

This suppression of absorption is what allows us to lase without exciting everything into the upper level first. As long as a few atoms are already there (which a few will be in any realistic system) then we can stimulate emission and the signal will amplify, because none of these photons are lost to absorption. We don’t need MORE atoms in the excited state than in the ground state, we just need a few.

These properties of coherence, interference, and suppressed absorption are also what allow us to have electromagnetically induced transparency (EIT). In EIT, we can prepare a system that is normally opaque (you can’t see through it) and then successfully shine a light of a certain wavelength through it as if it were transparent. That's the magic behind a lot of the "invisible" object stuff you might have run across on the internet.

These phenomena were actually some of the first discoveries that really gave rise to the field of modern quantum optics. LWI is something our lab group holds close to heart, as it was first demonstrated experimentally in our laboratory. Carrying out these experiments is not a trivial task; you don't need population inversion, but you do have to prepare your system into a very particular initial state and apply fields in a very specific manner to get everything to work out right. You can't get something from nothing.

At any rate, LWI/EIT are pretty cool from a science-for-the-sake-of-science perspective.


Thanks again for reading! I'm sorry this was a short/not very detailed entry, I'll do better next week.
As always, I appreciate feedback! If you have any requests for topics that you think might be in the realm of quantum optics or quantum physics in general, leave them in the comments!

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Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
May 18 2014 19:32 GMT
#2
Hey, this is really cool. I enjoy reading it. Will book mark and read later.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
ptmc
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland306 Posts
May 20 2014 08:54 GMT
#3
Hi, i have a hard time imagining a system where b> and c> have no way to turn into each other, do you have an example?
Ideal26
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
United States185 Posts
May 21 2014 02:58 GMT
#4
|b> and |c> are discrete energy levels in the atomic system; they're characterized by different sets of quantum numbers. Energy levels are fixed and cannot change, the level that the atom/electron (however you want to think of it) occupies can change in very specific ways. There are "selection rules" that tell you which energy levels you can transition between. So in this system, we just need two lower levels and one upper level that you are allowed to transition between. You cannot go between |b> and |c> though, that's a forbidden transition; it doesn't follow the selection rules.

Hopefully that clears things up?

The first experiments demonstrating LWI used sodium as the medium. This paper explains the experiment: http://www.maik.ru/full/lasphys_archive/96/3/lasphys3_96p436full.pdf
Figure 7 shows the sodium lines, though that picture isn't as easy to understand as the simple lambda system with only 3 levels.
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
May 22 2014 00:48 GMT
#5
A coherent wave packet resembles a classical light field as closely as possible. So the quantum and classical descriptions should be almost exactly the same.

Can you go in to more detail about this? Thanks for keeping these blogs going!
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Ideal26
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
United States185 Posts
May 22 2014 03:06 GMT
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On May 22 2014 09:48 EatThePath wrote:
A coherent wave packet resembles a classical light field as closely as possible. So the quantum and classical descriptions should be almost exactly the same.

Can you go in to more detail about this? Thanks for keeping these blogs going!


So classical physics describes light using Maxwell's equations. You solve these equations for something like a laser that should have monochromatic light, and you get a simple sine function (just an oscillating function) with a single frequency and a single amplitude.
Quantum mechanics puts restrictions on the frequency and amplitude though- you don't really have a single frequency or amplitude, you have a "spread" of values around the classical values. This "spread" is the uncertainty imposed by Heisenberg's principle. Soooo, saying that the quantum light field is as close to the classical field as possible means that this spread or uncertainty is as minimum as possible. This is just another way to state the second "definition" of coherence I gave.

I hope that makes sense! Thanks for reading, I'm glad people are still following these!
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
May 22 2014 03:15 GMT
#7
Thanks! Now I get what you're saying.
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