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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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Amestir
Netherlands2126 Posts
I think shared forums for every section that isn't game related it a must tough. It really feels like a split. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On May 13 2014 00:13 MVTaylor wrote: Maybe you could have maybe got some feedback from the community BEFORE doing this if you spent such a long time planning it? You make it sound like it is a no brainer but community feedback is obviously a very complex issue that shouldn't be trivialized like that. As much as we go by community feedback it's not reasonable to expect community feedback to work in every case. When it comes to major issues that would require heavy adjustment in behavior the answer is always going to be never change. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On May 12 2014 23:10 WhizPower wrote: I don't care too much either way, but it just seems a bit weird. Now there's a site for Hearthstone, one for Dota, and one for StarCraft + other games. So in the end SC2 gets less focus than Hearthstone and Dota in a way. Starcraft content on TL is so much more than anyone could digest. As a mainly sc audience, you should be happy that aside from sc2 content, you still got to enjoy great Community/Blogs/Other Games sections, something that LiquidHearth/Dota havent got (or is a few clicks away) | ||
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Artunit
Philippines400 Posts
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
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lantz
United States762 Posts
Why did you take the games I cared about and made different websites I loved reading about dota tournaments on the side | ||
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ETisME
12700 Posts
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
On May 12 2014 23:04 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Feedback As mentioned I have read your feedback and I also can see that there is a lot of dissatisfaction. A midst all this there is a lot of useful feedback that we take very seriously. The main point that we saw kept coming back is the sharing of community forums across sites. Previously we have been on the fence about this, in part due to technical difficulties, and after reading your feedback we're going to make it a priority to have shared community forums across all sites. The second main complaint was that it was so convenient to have a calendar supporting multiple esports. This is something I have been thinking about a lot since yesterday. It's really nothing more than just a thought right now but in the future I would like to try and build an in depth calendar that covers the calendar inputs from our sites that everyone would be able to customize it as they wish. It's just an idea for now, but I'm hoping to make it a reality some day. This is wonderful news! Just what I was hoping for! I was thinking it would also be cool if there was some kind of way we could "Opt in" to seeing the forums, calendar events, blogs, etc from the hearthstone and dota sites kind of like the way filtering works now, and of course such functionality could be implemented for the dota and hearthstone sites as well. | ||
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Zoundsforsook
Scotland636 Posts
Different portals for each game will indeed most likely increase the growth of TL for the reasons mentioned and if I was making decisions I would probably make the same one. However as somebody who has been using TL for a few years with a strong interest in Starcraft and gained a minor interest in Dota due to TL It's a little disappointing to see the community split up like this. My interest in dota will probably go the same way my interest in Hearthstone did once LiquidHearth was created. The sharing of community forums would help lessen the sadness of familiar names disappearing but I'll miss just spending time browsing the interesting thread titles I see on the sidebar regardless of which game they happen to be part of. It's not a bad decision, it just comes at a small price for users like myself. Edit: I should mention I really like the look of the new site. | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
I do feel like making the links to LiquidHearth and LiquidDota a larger part of the TL website would be a big improvement. Just because TL is the Starcraft site doesn't mean that the doors to DotA and Hearthstone should be relegated to a tiny little link in the top-right corner. I imagine that, as a newcomer to the site in 3 months when "Introducing LiquidDota" is no longer a headline, I could easily miss those links completely, which seems unfortunate since I'd be missing out on a large part of the TL community. | ||
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Nightwishone
Italy391 Posts
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bNoLuck
Germany125 Posts
And then once Dota is not a thing anymore you successfully lost me as a TL user. And I'm pretty sure you will then lose the majority of Dota users. Yes short term thinking a great plan. In the long run the worst you could ever do. (And I know cause the only reason I stopped following Hearthstone was the split. I enjoy Hearthstone content a lot but the inconvenience of having to open just another site was too big. And now I will delete TL.net and replace it with LiquidDota.) | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On May 13 2014 01:29 bNoLuck wrote: Well..You've probably just destroyed the feature that made Liquid so great. I've always been a great fan of the Liquid teams and the only reason I got into Dota after I lost interest in SC was the shared website. If it wasn't for that I would have stopped following games for a long site. Even now I am reluctant to add another tab to my standard browser so this probably means Starcraft just completely died for me (like Hearthstone did). And then once Dota is not a thing anymore you successfully lost me as a TL user. And I'm pretty sure you will then lose the majority of Dota users. Yes short term thinking a great plan. In the long run the worst you could ever do. (And I know cause the only reason I stopped following Hearthstone was the split. I enjoy Hearthstone content a lot but the inconvenience of having to open just another site was too big. And now I will delete TL.net and replace it with LiquidDota.) The idea is to build a site focused on Dota that can deliver Dota-centered content on a site tailored for Dota, and build unique community around that site. I don't think any one ever thought that the people going to use Liquiddota will all keep frequenting Teamliquid, but there was definitely a hope that by separating Dota from TL, a larger and more complete source of Dota news and resources + community could be created. That's what Liquiddota is for. The three communities (TL, LD, LH) can develop their own communities at their own pace and grow with their respective set of unique functions, and that is more than could ever happen on TL alone. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Leeoku
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SrPablo
United States8 Posts
Note that I don't really "disagree" with it -- it's your site, and you can decide what it needs most, and you and the others have more data over what works and and what doesn't -- I'm just a bystander. But for me, this is still sad because TL isn't about the specific games, it's about this community. I love StarCraft, have invested thousands of hours into it, but I don't come here because I need my "StarCraft fix," I come here because I love TL's preparation of my StarCraft fix. Consider the competitors: remember when WellPlayed.org was aiming for the StarCraft audience? Or when Catz and others tried pushing for more active ROOT forums? Many, many people have tried to imitate TL (often with very prettier faces) but there's a reason few of them could ever produce work like this: it's not the technical features of the site or the fact that they were game-specific or not, it's the people behind it. My sadness with this change is that I feel it fragments us, and prevents cross-pollination. The only reason I follow Dota is because Liquid acquired a team, listed the streams, and put the forums here. Now, I'm an avid follower! Much of the reason I picked it up wasn't bandwagoning or fanboyism: after years of loving the work that's happened here, my brain was saying if TL is into it, there must really be something special there. Articles like the small primer on Dota 2 strategy were critical. If it happened in a silo-ed site, I doubt I would have read it. If you got this far and said "boy, I'd like to read ANOTHER wall of text," you can see this great exhange between Jeff Atwood, who's trying to write new forum software (Discourse) and members of the Something Awful community. He asks for their advice on what technical things he can do to encourage great online discourse, from people who have done it, and he's very stubborn against what is one of their prevailing themes: the magic of SA isn't it's technical decisions, it's people, and often ones who fight through lowest-common-denominator appeal to get to something good after a bit of work. That many of the issues Atwood has with the forum's targetedness/generality are largely self-regulating, and trying to hard to guide the discussion with technical choices (like upvotes, reputation systems, separating forums by design etc.) lead to "gamed" environments like Reddit, where good-enough things can flourish but great things rarely can. tl;dr here. I understand you'd probably agree with everything I've written on the magic of TL's community. And I have no reason to doubt that the interface of TL is everything you say it is to new users. I guess I wish the goal was to favor the slow growth TL has had and preserve it's self-regulating nature (I figured out filters for games I don't care about, like LoL and, until it split, Hearthstone. no doubt others can) than to optimize for new users who can't be bothered, and become a set of MY ONE GAME HERE sites. Aside from fragmentation, this change also suggests the reason I come here, and that someone should love coming here, is for Game X or Game Y. TL isn't great because of the games it covers, it's great because great people cover games passionately. Because great people moderate effectively. For me, it's about the music, not the instruments. Certainly for a number of people, the sites they visit are about the instruments. But like you demonstrated when you wrote "A Word on Smash", this is a place that "gets" why games can be so amazing. Fragmentation based on the choice of game alone seems counter to that. In any case, will continue to support. Thanks, as always :D | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
1* Please add a link to liquiddota on topright of liquidhearth 2* Why is it liquiddota.com and not .net? 3* Possibly make the shared login work on TL as well (let me loggin with shared account , when I already signed in on LH and LD) keep up the good work really like the looks of the site | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
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