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Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
May 13 2014 17:31 GMT
#121
I greatly dislike the split, i come to TL because it covers things cohesively and very expertly.

I appreciate the intent, but i despise having having absolutely everything split.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
May 13 2014 18:39 GMT
#122
On May 12 2014 23:04 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

StarCraft

Going forward we're going to make TL a dedicated hub for StarCraft again. In the next couple of days we will be making changes to the forum and filter structures to resemble this. Accordingly we'll be making changes to the forum structure and streaming section. Again this will be a change that may not be popular with the entire community as it will also mean that the LoL forums will go into "Other Games" and the LoL streams won't be showing up anymore as default.


I love you for saying this.
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DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
May 13 2014 18:49 GMT
#123
On May 14 2014 03:39 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 23:04 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

StarCraft

Going forward we're going to make TL a dedicated hub for StarCraft again. In the next couple of days we will be making changes to the forum and filter structures to resemble this. Accordingly we'll be making changes to the forum structure and streaming section. Again this will be a change that may not be popular with the entire community as it will also mean that the LoL forums will go into "Other Games" and the LoL streams won't be showing up anymore as default.


I love you for saying this.

I heart you quoting this bit.

Also as someone who has used TL exclusively for Broodwar in the last 8~ years, I did not even notice DotA or Hearth were gone. If you make shared Blog things etc. that's fine and probably a nice idea.

Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
May 13 2014 19:05 GMT
#124
On May 13 2014 17:43 digmouse wrote:
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On May 13 2014 17:39 Kerotan wrote:
Also I really hope you split BW and Sc2, sending Sc2 to a new site, would be worth it for the jerk factor alone.

You can disable SC2 completely right now using the filter, I don't see what's the problem, I don't like League or Dota so both are filtered out of my TL for the past years and they never bothered me since. Stuff exists, but you can simply ignore it.

I follow both, so the spite was purely from those who like SC2, and are glad to the scourge of dota off the main site.
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sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-13 19:29:36
May 13 2014 19:29 GMT
#125
I miss being able to check what dota streams are going on as I browse the community forums. The ability to opt-in in the settings to show what I want on that stream sidebar would be really helpful, as I'm spending more time on TL than TD.

Hopefully this is part of the feedback you've taken seriously already and have on a list to implement. If not, now you know.
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
May 13 2014 21:13 GMT
#126
I'm not really a Dota follower, so i dont care all that much for the entire Dota content there is. I'm moslty watching Starcraft, though i like to tune in into some of the bigger Dota events sometimes (Like The International or so).
I'm completly fine with having Dota migrate to a new site. But i think it would be nice if you could "customize" your events timetable and still make it show Dota streams of some events, or maybe show Dota events by default (Doenst have to be every weakly cup, but maybe the bigger events). All the tournament threads, the discussion and strategy would still be on the new Dota site, but this way you can keep track on what events are currently online without having to tab between different sites.
That would be awesome!
miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
May 13 2014 21:44 GMT
#127
If I infer correctly, it's good that TL will be focusing on being a Starcraft Broodwar Community site again. It's the best game. Productive decision.
Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
May 13 2014 23:21 GMT
#128
I love this. Thanks Nazgul!
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et
Profile Joined September 2010
Switzerland367 Posts
May 13 2014 23:32 GMT
#129
On May 14 2014 00:41 EXRNaRa wrote:
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On May 13 2014 23:54 et wrote:
On May 13 2014 23:34 EXRNaRa wrote:
I just realized that the filters were removed. Before i deactivated Dota,BW and LoL i think.
Now we have Liquiddota but i can´t block BW and LoL anymore. Is there any possibility to do this? I don´t wanna see the BW and LoL Threads like before...
Hope my english is enough and the word "filter" is the right one. I mean the Buttons at the top right to activate and deactivate the shown stuff.

Greetings

You can still customize your sidebar, remove tournaments & strategy and add sc2, and you should only have sc2 content.


I swear the old bar i am missing was at the top of my picture below.
Even if i change the profile settings i still have LoL and BW Streams at the left side and LoL Threads at the right...

http://www.directupload.net/file/d/3621/2sp66zaq_png.htm

Greetings

You are pointing to the "tournaments" block, which I told you to remove.
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Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
May 14 2014 03:44 GMT
#130
Just one voice, but I follow Dota 2 a lot, and SC2 off and on. I used to use TL primarily, but to be honest I think I'll just start using Reddit for Dota 2 and stop following SC2 (since it's too much work to follow both). In my opinion this move will segment a tight community, but I wish both sites all the best.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 04:13:59
May 14 2014 04:06 GMT
#131
Would making the main site be the hub for all of the dedicated sites help? As in, teamliquid.net is just where you go to read all the general forums and other games forums and such, but also the Starcraft, Dota, and Hearthstone general forums are there too, just so it has some of the pieces of the other sites. You would also have the more popular streamers and large events happening on the main site. And in order to get into the deeper content for your particular game, you clicked an icon for your game on the main banner and that took you to the Starcraft or Dota or Hearthstone portal. Obviously you would also have to create a Starcraft portal, but this would make coming to TL much more open and general, and then if you want to get into the in-depth content, you just clicked the game you wanted.

As a better example of what I mean, look at yahoo.com. On the main page, it has a variety of content from all of the other portals from its site, but if you want to look at finance, you click on the finance portal that takes you to the part of the site that is exclusively finance. So you still have to switch between the sites to get the in-depth content, but you also present a good mix of everything on the main site which makes interacting with the great community easier.
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RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
May 14 2014 04:46 GMT
#132
I don't know how much this matters, but a couple of friends who have been lurkers on the site for a while told me that with this change, they've just stopped visiting both sites. Mostly they just find it inconvenient to navigate between the two.

I still think at least making the portals to Liquiddota and LiquidHearth larger, more obvious, and a bigger part of the site couldn't hurt and would be a nice feature for those who do come to TL for two or more of those games. Maybe even have some kind of "headlines from the other sites" on the news sidebar. Not too obtrusive, but convenient.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11439 Posts
May 14 2014 04:51 GMT
#133
I still think at least making the portals to Liquiddota and LiquidHearth larger, more obvious, and a bigger part of the site couldn't hurt

I think this is true. I had forgotten where the link to get to liquidhearth even was, tucked away at the top of the website as it is. Perhaps the old real estate currently being used by the filters, could be used for portals? Or something of that similar size. (Assuming filters will disappear.)
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LastDance
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
New Zealand510 Posts
May 14 2014 05:02 GMT
#134
Thank you Nazgul! All the DOTA stuff made me lose interest in this site and made me turn to reddit.

I originally fell in love with this site because everyone who came here was also drawn here for the same reason as myself - StarCraft. There's a lot of diversity within this community but we all had one thing in common. I felt like this began to fade when dota was introduced to this site, it may not have been that way for a lot of visitors but it certainly was the case for me

When dota was introduced to this site and started invading the content space, I felt like this site had lost what made it special to me.
BlindKill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia1508 Posts
May 14 2014 06:26 GMT
#135
2/10 on the new change, but I understand the necessity. My dota peers didnt like TL cause its full of .... non-dota stuff like [GIRL] Blogs. It sucks but for Liquid to gain marketshare in Dota 2 this is probably a good move. I hope Liquiddota can one day be as professional and well regarded for Dota 2 players as TeamLiquid has been for SC2 players.
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Zenniv
Profile Joined September 2011
United States545 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 06:29:51
May 14 2014 06:29 GMT
#136
I was a die-hard SC2 fan til about a year ago, then I gradually moved into Dota, when TL covered doto during TI i was ecstatic. Now even tho I don't watch too much HoTs, I still really enjoyed visiting TL and being kept in the loop with Starcraft.
Now I have to tab both sites and I think eventually I'll stop visiting TL altogether. Could we at least have an option to display both sites or something =(
Ariovist
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany430 Posts
May 14 2014 08:51 GMT
#137
I posted this in the original thread already, but thought I might put it here as well:

I was also skeptical about these changes, but did not comment on it until I saw how they would go about it.
I personally feel that the change was needed, as the whole site started to feel awkwardly crowded with content that did not really belonged together. I watch lots of Starcraft and mostly only play Dota and only occasionally watch some of it, so mostly the dota news were kind of alienating.
After this re-vamp it really feels like the TL like a couple of years ago again, and I really like it, I have to say !

There is one tweek I would like to propose. Since I still would like to follow the Dota 2 scence once in a while, it would be nice if the links on the top right which lead you to the different TL "clones" would be bigger and maybe formatted differently, like using tabs in the browser. Often you check TL, read what you wanted to read and then switch.
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 10:21:42
May 14 2014 10:20 GMT
#138
As someone who followed BW intensely; I never went to any other e-sports related site for information back when the game was still hot. This also applied to SC2 when I followed it.

After Dota 2 took over as my main interest as a game (both as a player and a follower), I found myself needing more and more information that wasn't provided on TL (or was just too hard to find). After all I don't want to filter away SC2 related stuff, as I still want to know what's going on in that department.

Dota 2 is a game that has tons more going on than SC2 in terms of the sheer amount of games and all the different leagues being played simultaneously. In light of this, the standard TL calendar just didn't cut it, and as such I find this very welcome.

I think the main concern for many of us who has browsed TL for years, but has more or less transitioned away from SC2, is that we don't want to lose our "connection" with this site. Part of me wishes you would atleast have called it teamliquiddota.net, but from a commercial standpoint I have understand why you didn't

This change is a bit saddening, but definitely needed for TL to be able to compete as a community site within the dota 2 sphere. Your strongest card in that regard has been the Dota 2 liquipedia. There is nothing else like it, and I'd like to give a HUGE shoutout to all the amazing coders and updaters. I love you all dearly!
Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
May 14 2014 10:48 GMT
#139
I know quite a few people, myself included, wanted a comprehensive stream list that covered multiple games on one website. And i saw that you said that your plans for making that happen might happen in the future. I was wondering if you might think of using filters to automatically block all games except the title game for that website (ie by default only dota games would show up on liquiddota, unless the user went to their profile and decided to select an option to see all the featured streams across the liquid family of websites). But, i don't know anything about web design, and have no idea about the logistics involved in implementing something like this.
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GoonFFS
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark323 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 11:49:28
May 14 2014 11:48 GMT
#140
My favourite thing about TL is that it encases the games i like to follow. i don't feel it's too in depth at all. The reason i go to TL is to read news about sc2 and dota2 besides finding streams (needs more featured streamers!)

EDIT: also, the filtering system is super easy to use - maybe make it more obvious when a new user enters the site?
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