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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11381 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-29 22:46:28
March 27 2014 19:23 GMT
#1
...or Fantasy books written by female authors, hopefully with female characters.

So another break from ye ol' Design Blogs and to be honest, I think there will be no more.

What follows is a series of mini-reviews of books I've read in the last... months? I think since the beginning of 2014.

Background
I had realized that similar to my sci-fi reading habits, I tend to read an inch wide and a mile deep (to reverse the saying.) That is, I tend to read a ton from a select author and not much else. So everything by Tolkien, CS Lewis, and Stephen R Lawhead. A lot of Terry Brooks, I gave up on GRRM middle through the 3rd, and I've been ploughing my way through Robert Jordan. But as the regional, public library didn't have Knife of Dreams, and it was taking me some time to find a copy, I thought it was time to expand my horizons and see what the fantasy genre as a whole contained.

Critieria:
1) Rather than getting bogged down into one series, I committed to reading only one out of a series and just keep dancing on to a different author.
2) As I am revising my own story, and was feeling rather unconfident about my female characters, I wanted to see what were the differences, if any, of female characters written by female authors in the fantasy genre.

The Mini-Reviews (In order read)
WARNING- I am not particularly concerned about revealing Spoilers, so there may or not be Spoilers. Proceed with caution. (Although I did spoiler all the mini-reviews so the blog takes up less space)


Jennifer Fallon: Wolfblade
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This was a decent book that I was tempted to read further. It felt like there was some significant history/ backstory, but if I understand correctly that backstory might just be referencing earlier novels. I liked the transition of Marla, the main character from a bit of a naive, air-head to a ruthless ruler. On the other hand, there's something about it that didn't sit right with me. Fallon is going for a 'dark/ grim' story line in the same sort of vein as GRRM. But sometimes it felt over-cruel without feeling gritty.

Elezear the Dwarf's Rules of Gaining and Wielding Power- while I'm sure he's just making them up just so he can survive another day- it just sounds silly. Like those get rich, self-help books that those multi-millionaires always try and sell you.

The political intrigue was interesting, but I was disappointed the young mage guy got derailed by some Greek-type trickster god and wound up a thief.

While I had some problems with it, the best I can best I can say is that I was tempted to read more. But she's not breaking my top 10 any time soon.



Robin Hobb: Dragon Keeper
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I'm glad I didn't read more of Fallon, because I wouldn't have across Hobb as fast. And I understand from Goodreads, Dragon Keeper isn't her best work.

Hobb presented a new world that I was fascinated with from the outset. I guess this is deep into her long running series, but I could jump in to this book easily. I loved how thought out the dragon life-cycle from serpent to dragon was. And the grim feeling the line of dragons is failing. The contemporary dragons end up being so gimpy, but I genuinely felt for these dragons that knew they were not all that they should be.

I liked how Hobb had thought out what impact a giant brood of dragons would have on the local environment and economy when the dragons that are supposed to be able to fly away, just stick around, wasting away.

I was a little meh with Thymara, the 11 year wild child with claws and the merchant captain Leftrin. But I quite liked Alise, a woman trapped in a loveless marriage of convenience, who is perhaps the most competent scholar on dragons, but is hindered by societal expectations. I was so relieved on her behalf when she could finally DO some of the things she wanted.

Every chapter starts with these little messages that are sent by pigeons between two of the major cities. At first I thought it was a rather neat way to provide big picture information outside of the restricted points of views. (Especially because I had just read Bernhard Cornwall's The Fort that began each chapter with actual, historical quotations from his sources. Very good book, btw.)

But then it got HILARIOUS because each note had an official message and then the pigeon keepers were having their own private converstion back and forth. But then two-thirds one of the messages goes to the wrong city and a third keeper chimes in with 'Hai guis, you're not supposed to use official communication for your own private use' and then the other two messengers get super pissy with the third keeper. Fun times.

The 'ending' is rather abrupt, but I guess it is a trilogy. I would definitely read more of Robin Hobb.



Sara Douglass: Wayfarer's Redemption
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This was super confusing to figure out which was the first book in the series. I finally figured out that the original series had been renamed and then reissued in the States, but there was little to indicate that. In the meantime, I had bought one from a second hand bookstore (big mistake) and signed out another. (I thought I could risk it because I was having such good success so far. It couldn't be THAT bad if I ended up not liking it...)

The beginning was intriguing enough with some creepy times in the snowy storm with a really gross birthing of some demon child and then other ice ghost type things.

...And then. This book. First the names.
Axis the BattleAxe of the Battle-Axes. That sounds really silly. The Minas Tirith equivalent is called Gorkenfort. How does that not sound gorky? That might not seem a big deal, but bad names bother me. Then you get StarDrifter and StarMan. Dunno. Just doesn't seem right. But then you get Priam along side Timozel and Jayme and Gilbert. The names are just all over the place from Greek to modern to fantastic.

I don't mind books with prophecy. But this one is touching on all the tropes and was not very enjoyable. One prophecy requires the principal female character to get married off to some jerk simply so two brothers don't go to war and off she goes with little protest. You might think she's going for the 'life sucks and everyone dies' and grey morality thing, but the characters are pretty clearly divided into white hats and black hats in my opinion. And not a very interesting female character.

The other thing that really through me for a loop is the PoV switches. It didn't bother me for awhile and maybe she was going for third person Omnisicient, which was novel as I'm not sure I've read Omniscient before. But I don't think it was well-executed if it was intentional. I found it very disconcerting leaping from one character to the next between paragraphs without (it seemed to be me) much rhyme or reason. I think the book would have been far stronger had Douglas limited her view points and really thought about how to get across the same information without whiplashing the reader from character to character.

The cover had always intrigued me when browsing the libraries, but I'm afraid it is a waste of good cover.

I did not enjoy the story; it was a chore to complete. I regret buying this book and sent the library book back unread.



Anne McCaffery: Dragonflight
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This was a light read- more in the vein of Narnia. I enjoyed it, but we ended in a very different place then we started. MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD

I guess the introduction should've tipped me off. I almost thought I was reading the wrong book, because it was describing a very sci-fi backstory. We start with a dying breed of dragons/ dragon riders in medieval type castles and end with time travelling dragons and flamethrowers. I was along for the ride because it was well told and McCaffery was careful to set up her twists that they certainly didn't come from nowhere.

I don't particularly care for time travelling books, but it was well told. I just wish I knew where that spunky Lessa had disappeared by the end of the book. The beginning was very interesting as we basically had the true heir to the throne undermining her conquerors like Chinese water torture, small drips at a time. But once Lessa get's recruited by the dragon riders... that version of the girl just vanishes. Honestly, I could have read an entire book of Lessa undermining the palace from the inside to finally overthrowing her enemies at the end. This is actually a common issue I've noticed- by the third act, the previously spunky female runs out of things to do. (See the film Dragonslayer for example- though it is an otherwise interesting film.)

As an aside, all the apostrophe'd names bothered me. Maybe just because, but I don't really like apostrophe in the names. Maybe because I've read too many Grand and Not So Grand lists of Fantasy cliches.

I'm not sure I would I would read anymore just due to time travel, but I don't regret reading it.



Anne Bishop: The Shadow Queen
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I was looking for a different book and just grabbed this one at random from the library. Gah. This was terrible. I got 50 pages in and abandoned it. How she is a "National Bestseller Author" is beyond me.

Again. Names. How does a world have Prince of Tajrana and Queen of Nharkhava along side a 'distant cousin Aaron?'

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"Some call me... Tim?"

And I guess "Saeton Daemon SaDiablo" is supposed to be bad? (Actually possibly not given the story.) But more than the highly fantastical names along side mundane modern names, all the Random capitals was really too Much. Whether it was Black Jewels or Craft of Coach or Blood, it seemed every other sentence had a random Noun capitalized. Possibly because they are Important, but I found it annoying similar to the random bolded words in Archie-type comics.

But far worse than that is the amount of vocab of concepts that require background knowledge that I had little idea what was going on. This is deep in the series, though I don't think the series is very deep. But unlike Robb or even Fallon I was not eased into this world in away that allowed understanding of what all these words mean. The author, I guess, just assumed I would know? I started understanding what it all meant by the end, but it was poorly done.

But by far the worst of it was the lack of description. Bishop would give mention to a Hall I guess basically in demon land, but no mood was given. Given the names, I thought maybe comic. Given the people's 'race', maybe creepy. Perhaps the Hall was some sort of Civil War era creepy mansion? But I had nothing to go one. No description of the Gateways, nothing. All I could think of is how much more atmosphere I could give this book and how poorly the story was executed. The characters basically exist in blanks space and that is hardly interesting to me.

Then things got squicky/rapey and then I stopped.

I do not recommend and I would never try her again.



Concluding Observations
So far I don't really see much difference between females written by male authors or female authors. So far the the female character's are just as likely to disappear in the third act and I haven't found a female character that can match Sanderson's Vin (in the first Mistborn book, anyways). Though I think I might find an equal in Hobb, if I continue reading her works.

I would say that 100% of the books read had a significant birth compared to male authored books- not in the sense that it takes up chapters, but that it happened 'on screen' to either a significant character or was significant to the plot. Except maybe Anne Bishop, but I didn't get that far. For some reason this stood out on front and centre birth was compared to 'random sidequest birth, offscreen' that you might get in Paolini or something.

Maybe it was just the fantasy I was reading before, these books were perhaps 80%* more likely to have sexy times. Except when it is squicky in which it is not sexy at all. Blah and gross, BIIIIIIISHOP!

In conclusion, I think I'm back to where I started. Which is a paraphrase of Brandon Sanderson's Writing Excuses. What makes an interesting character is that they are competent at something. They might have a whole lot of faults, but when they are competent at something, you can get behind them. I think that's why I rallied behind Hobb's Alice. She was just so passionate about dragon lore and carefully collecting what she could find. At times she erred on academic rather than practical, but she would course correct. There was something very endearing about her journey to leave her old life and finally do what she always wanted to do.

I also think there are a reason the big guns are the big guns in fantasy. The rest so far can't quite measure up (even to Robert Jordan, which I find problematic in how long-winded he is)

Not sure how long I'll continue this particular venture, but I still want to read something by Ursula K Le Guin and I am debating about Zimmerman because I'm not sure how much I want to read more Arthurian stuff. Any good author recommendations? (I should say I've already read Madeleine L'Engle- I liked the Wrinkle In Time stuff, although it has been a long time since I have read them.)



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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
March 27 2014 19:26 GMT
#2
....i feel cheated.
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
March 27 2014 19:28 GMT
#3
A friend of mine has been writing them for young adults.

I haven't read them yet:
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If you gave them a whirl, she would probably be more than flattered!
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11381 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 19:34:16
March 27 2014 19:32 GMT
#4
Just keep in mind, my high bar of fantasy is JRR Tolkien, not former/ borderline-romance novelists. Those covers would scare me off pretty quick. I will probably never read Jaqueline Carey for instance. By default, I prefer historical-fiction over fantasy (Bernhard Cornwall, CS Forester) so to me good fantasy feels like historical fiction.

And yes, y0su. I my title was a little bit of click bait...
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 27 2014 19:39 GMT
#5
Have you read Hobb's Assassin Trilogy (trilogies, I suppose) yet? This blog seems to indicate that you've not, so I suppose the best I could say is do it. I mean like, now. I enjoyed them a great deal more than her other works, and by the looks of it we have fairly similar tastes.
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 19:41:45
March 27 2014 19:40 GMT
#6
hm... i never imagined i could take female scifi/fantasy writers seriously until ursula le guin's left hand of darkness. even while reading it i wasn't terribly impressed, until almost towards the end when i felt chills running down my spine. it was a long while ago and i should reread it before i recommend it now but my opinion of it was quite high.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
March 27 2014 19:55 GMT
#7
I've read several of Anne McAffrey's Dragonrider books but never really got into them that much, there was something not particularly riveting about most of them.

Mistborn is an EXCELLENT series, particularly the first one. Once it became more about the overall picture, I actually disliked it more than when it was "zoomed in" on particular characters.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11381 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 20:00:10
March 27 2014 19:59 GMT
#8
I would definitely read more of Robin Hobb, and I'll definitely put the Assassin Trilogy on my list, and I'll see about Left Hand of Darkness. Partially it's contingent on the regional library, but we'll see.

Yeah, I agree about Mistborn. I've read the first two and I have the third sitting on my shelf. But I could read that court intrigue by day, fantasy-Jedi by night stuff all day. Once they broke out of the first book, I definitely missed the Ocean's 11 feel to the first book. Obviously, an author can't spin their wheels and rewrite the same story again and again (Brian Jacques in his later years), but there was a magic something missing in the second.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 27 2014 20:12 GMT
#9
Genius title.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 20:19:21
March 27 2014 20:16 GMT
#10
I enjoyed Kushiel's series a decent amount, although the series left a rather bad taste in my mouth towards the end. I think it's by Jacqueline Carey?

edit: oops I should have read the comments first ha.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 20:57:19
March 27 2014 20:18 GMT
#11
try the dragon knight series by Gordon R. Dickson. great really funny and lighthearted series with magic, dragons and a cool combination of magic and dark ages era politics.

It's hard to explain without plot spoliers but its easily my favorite fantasy series (time travel plays a bit in the first book but only the first book). Not sure how you feel about modern characters being transported to fantasy worlds but if you can stand It I really suggest you give it a try

for the most part the books stand alone and are easy to jump into without having read the previous ones.

It is a lot less serious than your traditional fantasy series though
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Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
March 27 2014 20:38 GMT
#12
I don't get it. You gave up on ASoIAF which undoubtedly has the best female characters?

As for female authors i liked Margaret Weise & Tracy Hickman.
Wesso
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 20:50:07
March 27 2014 20:40 GMT
#13
When I hadn't read as much fantasy yet I liked the Black Magician Trilogy from Trudi Canavan which has a female main character. It probably isn't deep but I enjoyed it.

More recently I enjoyed the Raksura Trilogy from Martha Wells, it has a male as the main character but important female characters as well. The main race also isn't human which I thought was very interesting.

I also liked Ursula Le Guins: The Dispossessed and The Left Hand of Darkness (already mentioned), but those are more sci-fi than fantasy.

If you liked Brandon Sandersons Mistborn trilogy I assume you've also read "Alloy of Law"? I liked that one better than parts 2 and 3 of the trilogy (I vaguely recall)

But I'm also one of the few people that can't get into Robin Hobbs Assassin trilogy.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11381 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 21:03:20
March 27 2014 20:53 GMT
#14
On March 28 2014 05:38 Thrill wrote:
I don't get it. You gave up on ASoIAF which undoubtedly has the best female characters?

As for female authors i liked Margaret Weise & Tracy Hickman.

I suspect my opinion on ASoIAF is in the minority, but I ran out of vaguely sympathetic characters except maybe Arya by that point. Also, I couldn't stand the sexual violence. The series is well written which is why I got as far as I did. (I abandoned ship on Stephen R Donaldson immediately- call me a sensitive soul, but despite it not being terribley graphic, I lost all interest just on the concept.) GRRM created a bleak series and not in away that I enjoy.

Hm. Maybe some people didn't like getting tricked by the title...
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ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 21:19:07
March 27 2014 21:07 GMT
#15
Have you've tried K. J. Parker (pseudonym, but most in the fantasy circle consider him/her a she)? There's a limit to how much grit I can handle (which Parker often surpasses), but Sharps and The Engineer Trilogy were interesting enough.

As far as handling of characterization, I've only read a few female authors and they didn't seem to write female characters all too different. Not sure if it's confirmation bias, but the male characters seem to have a lot more inner monologues.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1546 Posts
March 27 2014 22:15 GMT
#16
I would recommend Tehanu by Ursula Le Guin but it probably requires reading the other three Earthsea books first (in particular The Tombs of Atuan as it deals with the same characters). What I liked about Tehanu in particular was that it was small local fantasy. It's set on one small island, there's no saving the world or anything, it's just one small event in a larger world.

The Wayfarer Redemption always intrigued me because of that cover too, it's a painting by Luis Royo. However I've read poor reviews for it before so left it.
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Schmobutzen
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany284 Posts
March 27 2014 22:32 GMT
#17
Try The Golem and the Jinni by Helene Wecker. It is Fantasy in the beginning 20th century. In some parts astonishing good.

Of course, The Blind Assassin from Margaret Atwood. It is not really Fantasy, but has a sci-fi or fantasy pulp-story in it. The whole book is a masterpiece, in its structure and prose.
Schmobutzen
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany284 Posts
March 27 2014 22:35 GMT
#18
Oh yeah, i forgot, the classic Tomoe Gozen by Jessica Amanda Salmonson. It is Sword and Sorcery at its best. Really good stuff.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 23:02:24
March 27 2014 23:02 GMT
#19
My girlfriend likes Sara Douglass a great deal. A lot of her books have pretty strong BDSM themes and its a lot of fun to tease her about it
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Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
March 27 2014 23:13 GMT
#20
On March 28 2014 04:40 intrigue wrote:
hm... i never imagined i could take female scifi/fantasy writers seriously until ursula le guin's left hand of darkness. even while reading it i wasn't terribly impressed, until almost towards the end when i felt chills running down my spine. it was a long while ago and i should reread it before i recommend it now but my opinion of it was quite high.


I personally really liked the SF series by Julian May. Its about. One way time travel back to the Pleiocene, some alien races and metaphysics!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_of_the_Pliocene_Exile
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