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[TechSupport-Blog] It's the internet, stupid

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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 25 2014 11:51 GMT
#1
I've picked up a lot of experience in fixing software problems and hardware problems. I attack them with big, broad strokes that narrow down possible sources. I run tests and collect information and mentally organize them. If everything fails, I put the right terms into google to find exactly the fix-it threads I want (e.g. driver hacks).

That computer success ends on when it comes to the internet. I fail at fixing internet issues if updating drivers, restarting the router, and resetting the adapter don't make it go away. I don't intend this blog post to be the typical solicitation of tech help. I want to work in some personal journey along with the rest.

I recently completed a move to a new apartment, and that marked a change from DSL to Cable Internet. I had some familiarity with router control panels (This one's from 2WIRE 3801HGV as part of AT&T U-verse, new from July), and successfully got the firewall configured and changed around the channel for wireless to stop some conflicts I got in the area. A couple of months ago, I started getting terrible download speed problems. I picked up some clues that my aging PCIe Netgear network adapter was the source, and decided to pick up at $12 USB one (TP-Link brand). Zero problems after that, good download speeds for budget internet USA. I could get 11 mbps down, 1.5 mbps up, regular pings 30-150 to LA.

My latest bout of problems happened suddenly two days ago when I returned from a trip. Booted up SC2 to play some ladder games, and was greeted by long gaps of 2 second pauses. A few hours later, same problem. No amount of computer restarts or router reboots would change anything. By that evening, I started hunting around. I had previously used down detector to see if it was just some regional problem affecting customers en masses, and it looked fine.

Even later, Google was loading very slow. I did some pings, match a batch file for tracerts, pathpings outputting to a txt document, and started my digging. Everything was while I was sole internet user with low background and 60-80% wireless signal:
+ Show Spoiler [first steps] +
Router's reported (5 min sample) Traffic Statistics:
Transmit 10329324 bytes, 10430 packets, 32 errors (~0%)
Receive 2431659 bytes, 7710 packets, 0 errors

Ookla's SpeedTest (confirming intermittent)
32 Ping, 220 kbps (low) down fluctuating to 2.7 mbps down (good, and wtf), 0.25 mbps up (normal)[image loading]

Trace Route & Ping Path ran every few minutes for a couple hours, directed at a SC2 IP, some examples
+ Show Spoiler [pingpath] +
Hop RTT SourceToHere Lost/Sent This Node/Link
0 1471ms PC.gateway.2wire.net [192.168.1.72] 53/100 (53%) >wtf<
1 1419ms homeportal [192.168.1.254] 1/100 (1%)
2 1393ms 99-34-184-3.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [99.34.184.3] 2/100 (2%)

0 PC.gateway.2wire.net [192.168.1.72] 26/ 100 = 26%
1 1648ms 28/ 100 = 28% 2/ 100 = 2% homeportal [192.168.1.254]0/ 100 = 0%
2 1609ms 28/ 100 = 28% 2/ 100 = 2% 99-34-184-3.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [99.34.184.3] 0/ 100 = 0%
3 1648ms 26/ 100 = 26% 0/ 100 = 0% 75.20.0.36

0 PC.gateway.2wire.net [192.168.1.72] 26/ 100 = 26%
1 1648ms 28/ 100 = 28% 2/ 100 = 2% homeportal [192.168.1.254] 0/ 100 = 0%
2 1609ms 28/ 100 = 28% 2/ 100 = 2% 99-34-184-3.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [99.34.184.3] 0/ 100 = 0%
3 1648ms 26/ 100 = 26% 0/ 100 = 0% 75.20.0.36

0 PC.gateway.2wire.net [192.168.1.72] 4/ 100 = 4%
1 1507ms 5/ 100 = 5% 1/ 100 = 1% homeportal [192.168.1.254] 0/ 100 = 0%
2 1577ms 4/ 100 = 4% 0/ 100 = 0% 99-34-184-3.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [99.34.184.3]

0 PC.gateway.2wire.net [192.168.1.72] 52/ 100 = 52%
1 1326ms 52/ 100 = 52% 0/ 100 = 0% homeportal [192.168.1.254] 0/ 100 = 0%
2 1248ms 52/ 100 = 52% 0/ 100 = 0% 99-34-184-3.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [99.34.184.3]

0 PC.gateway.2wire.net [192.168.1.72] 0/ 100 = 0%
1 102ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% homeportal [192.168.1.254] 0/ 100 = 0%
2 124ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 99-34-184-3.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [99.34.184.3]

0 PC.gateway.2wire.net [192.168.1.72] 76/ 100 = 76%
1 1243ms 76/ 100 = 76% 0/ 100 = 0% homeportal [192.168.1.254] 6/ 100 = 6%
2 920ms 82/ 100 = 82% 0/ 100 = 0% 99-34-184-3.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [99.34.184.3]

I pulled these at random. Notice that one looks stellar, but holy cow how much packet loss can happen early on (76% before I'm at the router). If I were smarter this might immediately suggest a response or new investigation

+ Show Spoiler [tracert] +

Tracing route to 12.129.202.154 over a maximum of 9 hops
1 48 ms 88 ms 51 ms homeportal [192.168.1.254]
2 48 ms 86 ms 193 ms 99-34-184-3.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [99.34.184.3]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 49 ms 139 ms 204 ms 12.83.38.149
7 35 ms 204 ms 108 ms gar29.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.129.241]
8 128 ms 125 ms 55 ms 12-122-254-234.attens.net [12.122.254.234]

1 * * * Request timed out.
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 * * 1526 ms 75.20.0.12
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 708 ms 2753 ms * 12.83.38.149
7 1383 ms 1255 ms 483 ms gar29.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.129.241]
8 341 ms 107 ms 264 ms 12-122-254-234.attens.net [12.122.254.234]
9 82 ms 408 ms 109 ms 206.16.68.46

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms homeportal [192.168.1.254]
2 39 ms 24 ms 25 ms 99-34-184-3.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [99.34.184.3]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 2721 ms 395 ms 718 ms 12.83.38.149
7 3715 ms 656 ms 3014 ms gar29.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.129.241]
8 3420 ms 2871 ms 1524 ms 12-122-254-234.attens.net [12.122.254.234]
9 533 ms 488 ms 235 ms 206.16.68.46

1 * * * Request timed out.
2 2603 ms 1194 ms 476 ms 99-34-184-3.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [99.34.184.3]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 291 ms * * 75.20.0.12
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 * 81 ms 98 ms 12.83.38.149
7 98 ms 116 ms 520 ms gar29.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.129.241]
8 495 ms 2157 ms 449 ms 12-122-254-234.attens.net [12.122.254.234]
9 979 ms 1003 ms 741 ms 206.16.68.46

1 * 508 ms 158 ms homeportal [192.168.1.254]
2 243 ms 190 ms 288 ms 99-34-184-3.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [99.34.184.3]
3 * 62 ms 113 ms 75.20.0.36
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 1806 ms 90 ms 28 ms 12.83.38.149
7 2169 ms 475 ms 242 ms gar29.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.129.241]
8 525 ms 902 ms 925 ms 12-122-254-234.attens.net [12.122.254.234]
9 1604 ms 1042 ms 1611 ms 206.16.68.46

My first attempt to explain this is something's happening intermittently before I even get out of my neighborhood, figuratively speaking.

Next Steps:
  • Womwomwom's TechSupport tools. I've done memtest86+ successfully a few months ago, but repeat that and others.
  • Do additional steps suggested by people with knowhow in this thread
  • If problem isn't solved by 3 days, do much longer and larger searches in dslreports etc. If nothing works there, make a real (and smaller) post in TL Tech Support and create an acct + post in two internet-troubleshooting-related forums.
  • If internet wakes up in next mornings and pretends nothing ever happened, use advice from this thread and further to be more aware of what to do next time. Half my hesitancy at this moment is a problem existing for only 2 days after a 3-day trip away, but even then I should be less impotent to take solid fixing steps.
  • Call ISP and have a blast
  • 1/10 boots gets a crash of RAM origin sometime in the next 20 minutes (no bluescreen, music plays on long after screen freezes). Reseating RAM and compressed air everything fixes for a month, then back to 1/10 boots. Problem's nature suggests independent origin, but meh get on to it just in case.


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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
February 25 2014 12:19 GMT
#2
Use an ethernet cable, your wireless looks congested and unusable.
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3811 Posts
February 25 2014 12:45 GMT
#3
On February 25 2014 21:19 R1CH wrote:
Use an ethernet cable, your wireless looks congested and unusable.

Told by the wizard himself
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
February 25 2014 13:35 GMT
#4
On February 25 2014 21:19 R1CH wrote:
Use an ethernet cable, your wireless looks congested and unusable.


Yeah. I have this at home too. Wifi just became unstable as fuck. Got ethernet, working fine. I'm on CPL now and all is Ok.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 25 2014 14:20 GMT
#5
Wow R1CH has spoken. /bow
Case closed.
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 20:42:06
February 25 2014 15:40 GMT
#6
There should be a LiquidHyperFi[X] program where R1CH goes to people's houses and laz0rz their computer setup.

Cheesy like Extreme Home Makeover. "OMG, there's wires EVERYWHERE *dramatic camera pan* " R1CH's eyes widen "How can you esports like this?" Anynomous: *sniff* dunno ... I guess I just love it so much *camera zooms in as eyes tear up* "It's been hard" *breaks down*

Enter Hot_bid

Stop making a scene! *dramatically points* Get HyperX'd!

Then I go bowling with TLO and his girl posse and a montage plays where R1CH sweats in the sun carrying HyperX branded boxes and Hot_Bid makes clever remarks about how he thought HyperX was faster than that.

Back to the bowling alley where we're just in time to catch me high fiving the gang after my staged Strike *woooooh!*

Back to Hot_Bid who is now interviewing random neighbourhood people. Hi ma'am *woman gigles and adjusts hair for camera* what do you think of Jaedong? *disgusted look as she quickly walks off* Hot_bid adresses camera "lots of work to be done here!"

R1CH driving bulldozer wearing a HyperX construction helmet, yells over the engine roar 'safety first!'. Grinding sounds as camera pans to familiar looking stuff from my room being run over. Enter splash screen.

Hyper!

/ *slash*

X'ed!

X *slash*

Fade out.

Shot of Nazgul, hands pensively intertwined, looking stern but fair at the camera. Strategy whiteboard in the background says "Taeja". Explains how in the 21st century a decent computer and internet connection are a necessity of life and how gratifying it is to be working with HyperX on realizing this dream (of abolishing computer setups that kill esports). Camera spots an asian guy sporting sunglasses as he hides behind a plant.

Hot_Bid interviews a colour conaisseur as he artfully holds a bar of Hyper[X] memory against the light .Throwing back his lush black hair he explains how Hyper[X] red and Liquid blue are better than green. He's very insistent on green being bad and has to forcibly be removed from camera. Sounds of struggle continue as Hot_Bid throws it to Liquid'Hero for a special message.

"Haiperu eXXoh .. ahh" *looks nervously off screen* The camera zooms in, catching droplets of sweat on his forehead, then notices his trembling hands as they desperately clutch his legs. His enlarged pupils desperately lock in with the camera "berry ... berry gud!" Camera cuts out.

"Thanks for the kind words gang!"

We're now looking at Idra, who has apparently become CEO of HyperX, hanging out the window of his equally Hyper[X] minivan. People find themself clapping as he makes a passionate speech about esports, SC2 and his ongoing cooperation with Liquid. *muffled sounds come from the back of his van and the camera moves in closer to investigate. ''tahts just halo'' Idra says exposing his teeth as he smiles warmly and drives off into the sunset. Police sirens are heard approaching as the screen blacks out.

We're back to R1CH, intensely staring at a computer screen, clitter clatter of the keyboard fills the room. Hot_Bid points something out on screen, R1CH nods, the camera comes in closer, defying the wizard's stare, DotA splashes off his glasses. "Phantom Lancer is kind of like Protoss" he says licking his lips "I like it.'' The camera slowly moves away, not angry, just disappointed.

FInally it's time for the unveiling. I arrive with the girls (TLO left because someone gets a bit handsy after a few beers).

"Move that <brand placement here> bus!"

Next time on LiquidHyperFi[X]tremeDesktopMakeOver!
I think esports is pretty nice.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
February 25 2014 16:07 GMT
#7
I would pay good money to have R1CH come to my house and teach me his ways. Especially since I need to learn this stuff before I go to college.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
February 25 2014 18:15 GMT
#8
Ethernet cables are those thingies that you can find in the IT guy's closet right? That stuff that makes him look like he has a time machine?
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 25 2014 20:16 GMT
#9
Guess it's time for a trip to Fry's. Gotta pin that sucker to the baseboards so it doesn't look godawful (router is in the other room, but coax already has an unobtrusive hole in the wall to use). Thx R1CH and all. See you at the next major US LAN event.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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betaflame
Profile Joined November 2010
175 Posts
February 27 2014 16:17 GMT
#10
Sometimes it COULD actually be your local internet service provider. Like they detect that there was no internet usage for 3 days straight and then automatically throttle your internet speed. So it wouldn't hurt to give them a call.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
February 27 2014 17:14 GMT
#11
He wouldn't have 1+ second pings to his own LAN if it was his ISP.
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
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