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I have hella mixed feelings right now concerning SC2. On one hand, I am suuuuuuper happy because I'm playing so incredibly well right now, but I'm also pissed off because of the awful mindset this community appears to have.
I started laddering on KR a couple weeks ago and I'm now 76-43 and my PvZ is 26-6! I was playing so well that I was invited to the [Shield] clan yesterday. HOLY SHIT! The Shield clan! Tonight I played in a clanwar for them and almost all killed, getting 4 kills and then losing. The leader said I could be the Ace for the team. WTF, that's so sick! All the players, in their broken English said so many nice things and made me feel better about myself and my play than my team on NA ever has.
Not only am I playing better than I have ever before, but I'm also trying new things and being really aggressive, which in the past was atypical of me. I've been trying fun plays like fake 2 base blink allin into double forge colossus, 6 gate pressure into chargelot/storm, 8 gate chargelot sentry pressure with 1/1 into storm and a third base and it's so exciting! I don't remember if I was thinking about a particular player or what, but recently I just decided that I wanted to be the one dictating the pace of the game. I wanted to be the player putting on pressure, taking bases and making the opponent feel helpless. And it feels good.
Even though all this makes me feel so happy, I also feel pissed off at the same time, for the very reason that I started laddering on KR was that the NA ladder was just so shitty. Every other game it was BM, balance whine and straight up hate. Can't I just win the game and you say gg and leave? Can't we just be friends? I LOVE games where you manner each other and then your opponent says something dumb like, "wow, my cat is really cute right now," or, "man I'm so glad that I'm done my exams," and then you talk about stuff. That's awesome! What isn't awesome is at the end of the game when he calls you a maphacker.
There were two particular instances that tipped me over the edge. The first was a PvZ on Bel'Shir where he goes mass SH with spines and spores. Heh, we're in for a boring game aren't we. OH WAIT. Double warprism storm drops, chargelot/DT warpins, forcefield his army and go snipe his fourth base, blink/cliffwalk into his main and kill it and then get out safely, then own his army with sick storms and colossus fire. And then? "Nice 1a noob."
I tried to message him, but he had non-friends ignored, but my thoughts were: go FUCK yourself you idiot. You got absolutely fucking dominated in a straight up game. Not only did I not 1a at all, but I outplayed you in every single way, in fact, you didn't even 1a. You did less than what you perceived me to have done, and you couldn't even do that right.
Now, as someone who's played Starcraft and Counterstrike for years I know that these balance whines are just people not accepting that they suck (worse than me) and that they should be ignored, BM'ed, or told, but it's just finally gotten to me I think. Also, it just seems like the frequency of these johns has increased over the last couple of months. Every few games this stuff happens, in fact the exact same thing happened the same day a few games later.
PvT on Star Station, the guy goes Mech with a fast 3rd CC, so I start getting some stormers, get my double robo immortals pumpin', and he pushes out after he lands his third to do this big hellbat/medivac/tank push. I decided to meet him half way since making him siege a bunch would delay and give me time to amass an army that could beat him badly. A positional error on his part made me decide to just go for it, so I did. I stormed his hellbats, feedbacked his medivacs and targeted the tanks with my immortals and he died in a couple seconds.. At the same time, a warprism was just about getting to his main for a zealot warpin too, and you know what he says? "rofl. protoss just 1a's"
Not only is it the ever increasing BM on the ladder, but also to me it feels that people are becoming more and more negative towards foreigner's play. I watched the Scarlett vs. Naniwa showmatch, and yeah, the games weren't that great. Naniwa said so himself in the post match interview, but for goodness sake, enjoy the series for what it is and appreciate the games for what they are. It was the two best foreigners playing for the title of who's who: best or second best. Get. PUMPED! And even though a couple of the games were somewhat lame because of Scarlett not scouting properly and Naniwa abusing it, appreciate the fact that Naniwa played the player, made reads, and stomped.
I didn't even notice people acknowledging the things that were cool in the games, like ARCHON DROPS. WHAAAAAAAT! That's so cool! Have you ever seen that? I haven't. I'm gonna try that now because it's super cool and exciting! Then it got basetradey, and who doesn't love a good ZvP muta basetrade except for the Protoss player amirite? And all people saw in that game was, "lol dt so gay, blink allin protoss imba" when what actually happened was so much more awesome.
Shoutcraft America had similar responses IIRC (and I'm going to ignore the fact that people forfeited, etc, because I'm talking about games). People thought the games were supbar, people were just cheesing and doing dumb stuff, foreigners are bad, shitty macro, etc. How about you stop and give praise to those who deserve it, and appreciate the things that people did, or tried to do in game.
A pretty unknown Protoss player beat a player who had just came second at a huge international event, holy shit that's crazy! Obviously there are factors such as Scarlett being tired or played out or whatever, but it's still very impressive and exciting! Instead it's just johns. People complaining about Protoss, making excuses for Scarlett not playing well and so on. Just let the guy have his victory and celebrate it with him instead of trying to take it away from him. He EARNED it.
In the series of Huk vs. Demuslim, Huk picked Fruitland and tried to do a strategy revolving around being aggressive and taking Lemon control early to give his zealot count a huge boost. He ended up losing because of some bad fights and supbar macro, but he did a really cool strategy that you should appreciate, and Demuslim made good decisions, macro'ed well and picked good fights! But I didn't see those things highlighted and praised in LR threads, or any post-tournament comments. I saw negativity.
Maybe I'm misremembering a bunch, or misreading reactions, or not getting the big picture, but I'm just sick of seeing this recent negativity. I think if we want to be good fans/spectators we should be more positive instead of trying to bring down tournaments/players/TO's/casters/games with negativity (especially Totalbiscuit. man, that poor guy haha). So perhaps if we give a shit about all of these players and people, including our opponents on the ladder being happy or sad we should stop and consider what we're actually saying to them and how they might feel.
Well, sorry this was so long and thanks for reading, yo. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!
 
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If the game really is as bad to these people as they keep saying, they should quit and play Brood War or WarCraft III or some other game. If they are just making excuses for losing... then, well, they should grow up.
As it is, playing the game, and whining about it that much (as much as if it is completely worthless) is silly and stupid.
Edit: I am not making the "Love it or leave it" argument. Of course no game is perfect, and every one should acknowledge this, but some people have, as far as I can tell, nothing positive to say about the game they keep playing and watching. And in that case, you really should just quit. If the game truly is that bad to you.
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Hi, and congrats on your recent improvements in play!
Losing in sc2 can be emotional because things snowball and you often feel powerless once you're behind.
The best way to create a better attitude is to always be nice and compliment people even if they are bm to you. Other than that, I also hope our community remembers to have fun and just laugh more.
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NA ladder is pretty BM, but even though each player is responsible for his/her own actions, I think the real solution to this problem lies not in the players but in moderators. Currently, there is no one moderating what goes on in an ingame chat, and reporting a player for bad manners pretty much does nothing, as Blizzard only cares about real-life threats.
Any online community with a large user base should have moderators. Imagine Teamliquid without mods.....
You cannot always let nature run its course when it comes to developing communities, sometimes you need a bit of control and discipline.....
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On December 26 2013 11:19 FrogsAreDogs wrote:
NA ladder is pretty BM, but even though each player is responsible for his/her own actions, I think the real solution to this problem lies not in the players but in moderators. Currently, there is no one moderating what goes on in an ingame chat, and reporting a player for bad manners pretty much does nothing, as Blizzard only cares about real-life threats.
Any online community with a large user base should have moderators. Imagine Teamliquid without mods.....
You cannot always let nature run its course when it comes to developing communities, sometimes you need a bit of control and discipline.....
Dota has a system where you can report people for "communication abuse" they give you limited reports so you can't abuse the system and probably makes it easier for the mods to review each report. It also informs you if your report was valid and if they took action. Maybe blizzard could copy "Valve" on this system.
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On December 26 2013 13:34 HeeroFX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 11:19 FrogsAreDogs wrote:
NA ladder is pretty BM, but even though each player is responsible for his/her own actions, I think the real solution to this problem lies not in the players but in moderators. Currently, there is no one moderating what goes on in an ingame chat, and reporting a player for bad manners pretty much does nothing, as Blizzard only cares about real-life threats.
Any online community with a large user base should have moderators. Imagine Teamliquid without mods.....
You cannot always let nature run its course when it comes to developing communities, sometimes you need a bit of control and discipline..... Dota has a system where you can report people for "communication abuse" they give you limited reports so you can't abuse the system and probably makes it easier for the mods to review each report. It also informs you if your report was valid and if they took action. Maybe blizzard could copy "Valve" on this system.
The technology just isnt... ahhh what's the point. hahaha
Yeah, it'd be nice for Blizz to have Dota's system, or even that weird, Nazi council that LoL has... what ever it's called, I can't recall.
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On December 26 2013 06:39 vOdToasT wrote:
If the game really is as bad to these people as they keep saying, they should quit and play Brood War or WarCraft III or some other game. If they are just making excuses for losing... then, well, they should grow up.
As it is, playing the game, and whining about it that much (as much as if it is completely worthless) is silly and stupid.
Edit: I am not making the "Love it or leave it" argument. Of course no game is perfect, and every one should acknowledge this, but some people have, as far as I can tell, nothing positive to say about the game they keep playing and watching. And in that case, you really should just quit. If the game truly is that bad to you.
Agreed, I keep seeing people bad mouthing the game and how it's all gone downhill. Unfortunately, I agree, but you don't see me ranting about it in stream chats or starting bs posts in tournament round up threads. I just let go of it completely.
Unfortunately, my letting go was due to China's Great Firewall and as well as horrible horrible internet connection. Resulting in not being able to watch streams and always bad time differences for NA tournaments as well as EU tournaments.
I didn't gloat for too long and let Dota2 fill my SC2 void.
Regarding Valve's awesome report system. I'll be a monkey's uncle of Blizzard ever picks anything up from Valve.
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On December 26 2013 11:19 FrogsAreDogs wrote:
NA ladder is pretty BM, but even though each player is responsible for his/her own actions, I think the real solution to this problem lies not in the players but in moderators. Currently, there is no one moderating what goes on in an ingame chat, and reporting a player for bad manners pretty much does nothing, as Blizzard only cares about real-life threats.
Any online community with a large user base should have moderators. Imagine Teamliquid without mods.....
You cannot always let nature run its course when it comes to developing communities, sometimes you need a bit of control and discipline.....
Protoss: Have the easier army to control, just 1a.
Zerg: Only knows to make drones, scout/react what is that?
Terran: Just makes same units, army composition what is that?
Of course none of these 3 are 100% true, but when people are losing they like to hit where it hurts.
From all gaming communities, starcraft is probably one of, if not the most mannered and we still cry about some random jerk we face on the ladder BMing. I would much rather have real time ban within battle.net instead of these "ban waves" than some moderation. Honestly if the guy is talking too much crap, just hit F11 and block the guy in game just 2APM, wont slow you down that much and will give you piece of the rest of the game.
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On December 26 2013 17:05 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2013 11:19 FrogsAreDogs wrote:
NA ladder is pretty BM, but even though each player is responsible for his/her own actions, I think the real solution to this problem lies not in the players but in moderators. Currently, there is no one moderating what goes on in an ingame chat, and reporting a player for bad manners pretty much does nothing, as Blizzard only cares about real-life threats.
Any online community with a large user base should have moderators. Imagine Teamliquid without mods.....
You cannot always let nature run its course when it comes to developing communities, sometimes you need a bit of control and discipline..... Protoss: Have the easier army to control, just 1a. Zerg: Only knows to make drones, scout/react what is that? Terran: Just makes same units, army composition what is that? Of course none of these 3 are 100% true, but when people are losing they like to hit where it hurts. From all gaming communities, starcraft is probably one of, if not the most mannered and we still cry about some random jerk we face on the ladder BMing. I would much rather have real time ban within battle.net instead of these "ban waves" than some moderation. Honestly if the guy is talking too much crap, just hit F11 and block the guy in game just 2APM, wont slow you down that much and will give you piece of the rest of the game.
Agreed, having playing Dota1 for almost 5 years, I know what it's like to come from a super BM game. also played a lot of COD MW2, so many 14 year olds just no scoping the shit out of you and BM'ing you.
All in all, SC2 not as many BM'ers out there as other games.
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Ok first let me say I agree with you on the BM part. There seems to be more of it nowadays, also on EU ladder. But let me just add a bit from the perspective of a random player. I just want to say beforehand, I don't wish to bring any BM or balance whine to your blog, but I'm going make a critical note here, so it's a bit inevitable.
To me the last couple of months have been very different than the period since the start of WoL, in that I have been starting to rage on ladder, and sometimes even BMing people. In addition to that, I have noticed an increase in the BM I encountered from my opponents.
The fact that I started rage BMing opponents was something embarrassing and unacceptable to me, I am from the White-Ra school of players so to say, so this last season I made it my main goal: to try and not get upset/raged on ladder, and maintain the fun factor in playing.
Now I feel I had moderate success with my goal, but nonetheless I raged a handful of times in about 120 games. And of course I got raged at quite a bit on ladder as well. The interesting thing here is though, that I discovered a pattern in the rage, both my own and my opponents. Now it will probably not surprise you that 9 out of 10 instances of rage there was a Protoss involved.
Now let me make a little segway, and add a little bit of history of myself. I've been a random player since the start of WoL, never really putting more time into any of the races than the others. So I've always been about equally good with all 3 races, which has always been reflected in my stats: always in and around the 45-55% bandwith.
But this season the discrepancies between my winrates has just been too big for me to ignore. As a random player I've never been a balance whiner, and nor will I make this a balance whine now. The only remark I will make is based on my own personal winrates this reason: T: 39% Z: 53% P:83%. Now to me, the reality of this fact means that it's incredibly easy to play as toss. Like you said yourself, I too can play any style I like, and everything just succeeds. I can improvise, and play all kind of special tactics that I might fancy, and everything just works you know, and I feel very strong.
Regardless of the reason of this discrepancy, for me this discrepancy has made it at times, also incredibly frustrating to play the game, which has in turn caused much of my own BM. Mostly when playing Terran, especially when facing Protoss. It's just incredibly frustrating, if I try twice as hard and focused than when I play as toss, and I feel every single thing has gone my way early and midgame, I get steamrolled in the end anyway. And when making complaints, I just get put down by my opponents with "L2P", or "Protoss is fine" etc.
The point I'm trying to make here is that, the reason that you face so much BM, is that you play Protoss, and I for one, can feel the pain of your opponents. But also I can feel your high. I'm on both sides of the equation on a daily basis. What I want to say too is that, regardless of how many Protoss players in this thread will feed you kind words, I feel that this is unjustified because based on my own experiences, something is just not right at the moment, and that is reflected in the BM that you are facing.
Also, I hope you will not come to hate the game when the meta will inevitably shift again, and you will be in the shoes of the terran or zerg, when you feel the opposite of what you are feeling now, which is that everything just fails, whatever you try and you feel like BMing, rageing or quitting the game because of it. Because to be honest, I suspect there might be a little bit more correllation between the current state of toss, and your current high, than you might be able to admit.
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