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Canada11378 Posts
I've made enough arguments. Here is a story about the Battle of Seven Armies, The Mexican Standoff, or The Three-way Battle in the Multi-front War.
I was introduced to BW via LAN parties and to this day, that is my favourite thing about BW. Last July was our last large LAN at my house.
The Players
Lord Bryon- My brother and fellow house mate. Doesn't enjoy 1v1's, but has always enjoyed team alliances in both BW and SC2. He macros fairly well for his speed and understand the need to not let me macro quietly in the corner and often pushes his allies to help attack.
Jdog- Also my brother. He is very new to the game. I think he's played at most four times, but I have become very efficient in teaching BW and he can macro very well. He uses both army hotkeys and hotkeys to jump to nexus' and gateway. New tactics throw him off and he is fairly passive in attacking.
Mike- Friend from university and former housemate who now lives in a nearby city. He is also new to the game, perhaps playing six games. He can macro quite well although this game he was short on gas. Admits he doesn't know when or what to attack.
eScapegoat- My cousin and my biggest threat. I recruited him to SC2 and he went on to ladder up to Diamond before switching to LoL. Of everyone else, he has the best game sense and has the best macro and tactics. He, LordB and I have played tons of RTS's going back to C&C, Age of Empires/ Mythology and before that turn-based strategy games such as Civilization, Imperial Conquest 2, and Space Empires 2.
DJB- friend from college and uni and former housemate for four years. He introduced me to BW back in 2007, but relies heavily on micro and sneak attacks rather than macro.
zac- DJB's young brother-in-law. Zac is still in school (large family) and has only just started playing SC, but is very excited about the strategy involved.
Passafist- yours truly. The only one that ladders in BW. In LAN games, I usually play with serious handicaps (Terran no tank) or play on my own team and off-race to balance out my skill. Whatever team I am on, I tend to win and so I have become the biggest target to attack. (The exception is my 1v1v1 games with eScapegoat and LordB. I have lost when they gang up on me, but if they ever forget about me in a corner, I will quietly remacro up to fight again.)
The Teams
I am the most experienced and I am paired with zac, the least experienced. In addition, I am offracing Zerg- although that is partially because no-one else is playing Zerg. I have no further restrictions this game (yay.)
Jdog and Mike are the next newest. Their macro is stronger than DJB and zac and on par with LordByron, but they lack game experience so LordB is added to their number to help coordinate attacks.
eScapegoat is the strongest player after me (he laddered in SC2 much more than I ever did so he has semi-transferable macro skills) and is paired with DJB who has been playing the longest of us, but is better at special tactics than massing giant armies.
Simply having more than two sides also helps balance out the teams.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yPjzEgm.png)
Battleground- Map
Our group (and particularly DJB) has never liked 8 player maps that have the allies spawn separately. For that reason I have always made maps for the group. I have tried to move away from 1 base, big money maps, but I try to keep shared entrances. Each time I make a new map, I try to make it more and more like pro-league maps to transition away. This is my newest map and the only compromise I really have is the mains have 10K minerals. Gas is normal and all naturals are normal. For the last couple years, my maps have the option to be played 4v4 or 2v2v2v2.
Map with Player locations
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LET THE GAMES BEGIN!
The first minutes of the game started off pretty slow as everyone macroed up. However, my MO in LAN games is to throw people off their game and cause trouble to the player that are my biggest threat. Unfortunately for eScapegoat, it is almost always him. So I sent two waves of zerglings at eScapegoat & DJB's choke off of two bases while I teched to muta.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7lS6vZ1.png)
First attack...
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Gf8z0Nq.png)
...Ends in failure
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rxKo8qI.png)
Second was a runby
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YHK73PM.png)
and wasn't much more successful, putting me rather behind in macro.
Supply at 8:30 min
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eB0Xgeh.png)
At 8:40, my mutalisks attacked and began cleaning out eScapegoat's main despite some poor muta micro on my part.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UCqqv5s.png)
Twice more I cleaned out his main and cleared turrets, leaving his economy in shambles. Unfortunately, I had not properly expanded behind 2 base muta and the other players caught up as I scrambled to expo.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6aKdbQG.png)
I now have 80 Supply & eScape reduced to 40 supply.
BUT DJB 80 supply, Jdog & Mike 90 Supply, LordB 70 supply.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fOyQzOk.png)
At 14:00 DJB clashed with Jdog in the North for the first time.
Having damaged eScapegoat sufficiently for the time being (I thought), I unleashed my mutas on my next biggest threat: Lord Bryon.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MEuQEHB.png)
My mutalisks were not nearly so successful as he caught them in between groups of Goliaths in his main.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/d5EHV2i.png)
At the same time Mike sent his first group of marines and tanks towards eScapegoat & DJB's choke where they were wiped out by the massed defensive force.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/EeuN4Ge.png)
At 17:20 DJB sent a commando squad of 5 DTs into Jdogs' natural.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VUEDWG9.png)
Jdog had forgotten to make detection at his natural and DJB slaughters two control groups of zealots and dragoons.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UdNeODN.png)
Plus workers and so Jdog's supply dropped from 140 to 82.
This evened the supply for DJB who had begun the attack with only 98 supply.
19:20, Jdog began making an observatory, but DJB helps him out by suiciding his DTs on the cannons in the main. His remaining DTs camped outside Mike's base to snipe reinforcements. Meanwhile Mike sent a wraith south to scout around.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oMwhc1Q.png)
I caught LordB's tanks transferring to help Jdog & Mike, but I needed to quickly run away from Goliaths.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lkD7FVO.png)
DJB's DTs outside Mike's base
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FW9IClZ.png)
...and my mutas flew straight into more of LordB's goliaths.
22:30 zac & I pushed out with the intention of fighting eScapegoat's growing tank lines. In the north, LordB consolidated his forces with Mike and Jdog.
23:00 I sent two control group of zerglings to flank eScapegoat's tanks.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jOVZ3z1.png)
My flank ran into LordB's attacking forces that ran into DJB's DT squad.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oVuDonv.png)
A three way battle broke out, wiping out tanks and zerglings alike.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/riWxi8X.png)
At that exact same time, I had sent the bulk of my army with zac's zealots into eScapegoat's army. LordB's tanks were destroyed by DJB's DTs, but my entire army was lost to eScape's Terran deathball.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hduwXSu.png)
Those two extra control groups and defiler might not have won the battle, but it couldn't have hurt 
26:00 Mike sends some late arrival marines into eScape & DJB's massive army.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KHX00y3.png)
With my army cleared out, eScape began his relentless push across the map to my base, building turrets to protect his giant tank army. His maxed 200/200 army sat just out of range of my 3rd.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/W4O5drw.png)
After that disastorous assualt, I remassed to 160 supply with ultras, lings and defilers with Dark Swarm and readied for the oncoming Terran army.
In the north, the Triple Alliance of Jdog, Mike, and LordB had gathered up their armies and fleets and were now ready roll down into the south.
Supply at 27 min
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/59sui57.png)
Who will win the multi-front war?
Tune in next time for the continuing story.
BW is for Newbs Part 2
BW is for Newbs Part 3
(Sorry, I am trying to keep my word count down and this is a long game.)
 
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SICK SKILLS SO EXCITE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT RELEASE
Triple alliance is looking scary but I believe in the power of the only Stealth Bunny playing, you can do it Passafist!
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hehe this looks pretty fun. Wish I had people like that to play broodwar with, but all my friends think it 'looks crappy'
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hmm...what a nice coincidence ur passafist? i think i saw ur name in op teamliquid a few hours ago
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what a fun game every time my friends and I do this its always 4 pool, dts, or something else stupid and nothing fun
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Man I miss playing 3, 4 team wars in BW. Those were always fun.
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You have no idea how much I am jealous of you right now. I tried to organize sth like this w my friends bu fail every time. No matter how hard I tried I couldnt get them to enjoy the game .
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Estonia4644 Posts
this is great, pls do continue :D!
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DTs are always imba in games such as these .. they rape-face so hard
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jhahahaha this is awesome! Reminds me of the good old times when I and my friends were noobs. The games were so much fun. :D
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Byron has such a huge plot of land, no wonder he's called "Lord"
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this just makes me sojelly that someone has IRL friends who play BW and I don't
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5/5, This looks super fun!! Also, would it ruin the suspense if you display the bank of all players as well?
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United States12240 Posts
This is cool, can't wait for the next episode. I've only been lucky enough to play BW at a LAN (and I mean real BW, not custom maps; and I mean a real LAN, with 20+ people) one time. It was in 2001 as I recall and we had set up a LAN party at SJSU and advertised it on sites like Lanparty.com. A group of three guys heard about it, paid entry, and kind of set themselves up near the corner of the room. Those three guys wanted to be on the same team to play a game of 3v3 BW, and only I and a couple of other guys from our group wanted to play -- and those couple of guys weren't very good... they were actually pretty bad.
I randomed Zerg which was my worst race, one of my teammates got rushed down quickly and was eliminated, my other teammate was Terran and bolstered his defenses with tons of bunkers and tanks so they left him alone and came for me instead. I was able to smuggle a drone out and get a hidden expansion going before they left. Starting from scratch, I gradually made it to Mutas which I used to harass pretty well and cripple one of them. Mechanically I was probably the best player in the game so I was able to effectively distract them with Mutas while I teched up to Hive and Lurkers. My remaining teammate had run out of resources and never expanded, and he didn't have much of a standing army to contribute. Eventually I got Dark Swarm and Hydra/Lurker/Ling against their mostly air compositions, and effectively won it 1v3. The only actual LAN BW game I ever played and it was one of my most memorable.
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5/5
Care to share a link to the map?
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
man that looks like a pretty crazy fun game, so sad can't find people to have such 2v2v2v2 scenarios anymore :<
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Sounds like the tripple alliance has a decisive lead, but if they lose a ton to Escapegoat you might have a good comeback chance on your own side
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Canada11378 Posts
On October 05 2013 19:49 Shock710 wrote:
hmm...what a nice coincidence ur passafist? i think i saw ur name in op teamliquid a few hours ago
Not a coincidence at all. I used to ladder occaisonally under the name Passafist until sGs started up in 2011 so you will see me laddering as sGs.Passafist. Unless I am playing the DRTL and then I am sb.Passafist.
On October 06 2013 01:24 EchOne wrote:
5/5
Care to share a link to the map?
This is the map as we played it. (Although I changed the alliances back to four teams of two. LordB had a double expansion all to himself.
Upper Kurast alpha
Because I had made a very easy third, I had been considering adding stacked temples and a small ramp up to it. However, I haven't played any games on the beta version, so I am not sure if the stacked temples will screw with pathing. I also changed the centre because I wanted there to be better high ground features rather than just random temples. However, again I haven't tested it with people and so army flow might be too constricted. I have two places where I think I want to add long sets of ramps for better mobility, but I'm not sure yet.
On October 06 2013 01:48 MisterKatosS wrote:
I am also interested in such maps it would be pretty cool if you could share youre collection !
For my other maps, check out this link.
Fun/Casual Map Database
Heights we have played a lot, but after making Kurast, I don't like it so much. The idea behind Heights was a transition point from big money to where you have to expand. But the expansions are too safe with too many of them in the back. I think Kurast forces better positional games.
Dead Marshes, we've never really played, but I've never been happy with 8 player island maps, so I've experimented several times with them. I think it's my best iteration, but it is probably still rubbish.
We played on one other map a lot called Khartoum. The genesis of the idea came from Arakan Citadel in SC2, but I am less happy with the quality now so I had never uploaded it to that thread.
We haven't played for awhile, but also have played Tandem Starcraft (usually with me sitting out.)
My older maps were just 4 shared base vs 4 shared base. But I find double corner expansions gives great flexibility. You can have 4v4 or 2v2v2v2. It's just hard with odd numbers if you need to defend two separate ramps.
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I am also interested in such maps it would be pretty cool if you could share youre collection !
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Canada11378 Posts
Incidentally as I was editing the pics for the blog, I discovered when naming Jdog's no observer pics that no Obs is the same as noobs 
Eventually I got Dark Swarm and Hydra/Lurker/Ling against their mostly air compositions, and effectively won it 1v3. The only actual LAN BW game I ever played and it was one of my most memorable.
That sounds like such an epic game.
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Seeing as a lot of people seem to enjoy the idea of a casual 2v2vwhatever, does anyone want to try and do the same?
I'm quite bad at broodwar. I'm zerg, and my highest rts rank is masters in sc2, which I couldnt hold unless I played daily. I still watch a lot of broodwar, so I do have an idea of what's going on.
If anyone is interested, send me a PM. I'm Isaacthedrone on iccup.
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I remember getting groups of my friends together to play BW. Was always really fun...don't know why we didn't do it more often. :[
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You could try Seven Sins for a future FFA c: I'm excited to see how this turns out...
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this was fun game to play, fun reading about it too
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Seeing those screenshots just reminded me how beautiful BW was. They really need to make a 2d (thats 3d) RTS again :[
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Oh hi there Bryon.
These games were crazy and fun. I don't even remember how they ended - just that they were awesome.
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this is an amazing write up :D
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Ive never ever tought reading about a game, was going to be so fun, the images added so much to the story, im dying to see the result of the game, Good Game... Read.
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aww you just made me remember my first game of bw with others. Was so much fun.
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Hahaha a bunch of scrubs playing 3v2v2 = awesome
What map is this?
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On October 06 2013 04:08 traceurling wrote:You could try Seven Sins for a future FFA c: I'm excited to see how this turns out...
How about a 256x256 2v2v2v2 map instead, now that sounds awesome!
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On October 06 2013 05:25 ReketSomething wrote:
TLDR: DTs op as fuck
here here!
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This was a very fun read! ^_^ Post more if you can! <3
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I want to play BW
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Canada11378 Posts
On October 06 2013 19:48 thezanursic wrote:
Hahaha a bunch of scrubs playing 3v2v2 = awesome
What map is this?
The map is my own creation. I haven't exactly hammered down the name yet. I was going back and forth between Jungle Ruins/Runes, but was maybe thinking Upper Kurast.
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On October 07 2013 03:38 philliechease wrote:I want to play BW
Do it.
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Wow! Loved reading it! Can't wait for more
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this is awesome. can't wait to read the rest
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United States10328 Posts
sounds fun; looking forward to update
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Enjoyed the read, looking forward to the next installment. Reminds me of the LANs I used to play with work mates.
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Awesome!
It doesnt matter how good you guys are if you enjoy playing bw.
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lol awesome writeup. Dat apm!
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zac is planning something sneaky I think
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Please say in here when you post the second part so we can have it on subscribbed posts 
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Please always include a minimap to the image, it makes things much easier to image.
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i want to reach through the screen, and punch zac in the face
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Canada11378 Posts
On October 09 2013 05:43 Bill Murray wrote:
i want to reach through the screen, and punch zac in the face
Aw. Why would you want to do that? He's just a little kid and he's just learning. To be honest, I feel kinda bad. I'm a terrible ally as I tunnel vision on what I'm doing. Whenever I teach someone, I can not be playing at the same time. I hate stopping to type directions or to coordinate attacks.
On October 09 2013 01:44 LastWish wrote:
Please always include a minimap to the image, it makes things much easier to image.
I will try to do this. I might reupload a couple pics, but we'll see. I wanted to cut out any dead space so I could fit more pics on without making it a chore to scroll through.
edit.
K, I added a sprinkling in. I already like it better. I originally only thought of copy pasting the mini-map on the last pic, but it helps tell more of the story.
On October 09 2013 00:31 FFW_Rude wrote:Please say in here when you post the second part so we can have it on subscribbed posts
I'll cross-post links when I post Part 2. I think I'll probably won't update until the next weekend as it takes time to find all the images and narrow down from my point form text document with the event timings. Also, I don't want to hog the Featured blog section, so I'll let this one get bumped off before posting the next.
Thanks for all the positive responses! Based on my other strictly BW blogs, I thought 2k, maybe 3k views.
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Battle Report is Best Report. Very entertaining, thank you
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Battle report are always good :p
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On October 09 2013 07:32 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 01:44 LastWish wrote:
Please always include a minimap to the image, it makes things much easier to image. I will try to do this. I might reupload a couple pics, but we'll see. I wanted to cut out any dead space so I could fit more pics on without making it a chore to scroll through. edit. K, I added a sprinkling in. I already like it better. I originally only thought of copy pasting the mini-map on the last pic, but it helps tell more of the story.
Maybe you could do one of those BWChart gifs. Where you see the army movement/map control.
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Man this brings back so many good memories. Played these for years with 4-6 people before I even heard of TL. Predicting a Two Cities win, Triple Alliance will all die to those tanks and won't macro up another army as quickly
That map is sick too by the way!
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This blog is literally saving eSports. It also brings back so many good memories.
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Funday Thursday.  was good read
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Canada11378 Posts
On October 09 2013 00:31 FFW_Rude wrote:Please say in here when you post the second part so we can have it on subscribbed posts
As promised, I'll bump this once to say that the second part of three has been posted.
II BW's for Newbs
On October 06 2013 19:51 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 04:08 traceurling wrote:You could try Seven Sins for a future FFA c: I'm excited to see how this turns out... How about a 256x256 2v2v2v2 map instead, now that sounds awesome!
Incidently, 256x256 is the map size I started making my 8 player maps because I figured I needed the space with that many players. I found it was much too big. Way too easy to hide bases in the corner, hard to make interesting features on the map and too hard to be aggressive in the early game.
I've permanently switched to 192x192. I find it's a nice balance between getting enough expos to feel to match the expo number of 1v1 proleague maps like Fighting Spirit, but tight enough that armies are constantly clashing in the mid-game. You can find a corner to re-establish yourself, but can't keep corner hiding once they start scouting properly.
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TLADT24920 Posts
Good read. I've only ever played vs friends back in 2001 or so, so I miss team games a lot
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