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Phalanx's Daily #85: New season, new PvZ

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Sir.Phalanx
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Japan195 Posts
August 26 2013 11:51 GMT
#1
Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy guys! Phalanx here again. Start of school on the same day as the start of season 5, how fun is that! >> (not very)

Got placed diamond again, but I sure saw that coming. Definitely didn't do well enough in last season to be able to immediately get placed in masters, although I do of course have hopes of getting up to it this season. Also, I've decided that it's finally time to let go of my weird 4base PvZ build. For the most part the mid game and such shape up really well, especially if I scout correctly. However, any sort of early lings at all (scouting around actively) make it too hard for me to preform my build. They could take out the probe going to build, take out the scouting probe, or just generally mess up my reading. It's about time that I try to learn how to PvZ the "standard" way... although my end goal will still always be to get maxed skytoss army >:D.

So today's game will be one of a loss against zerg.

Characters
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Johnson, the lovable 1-st scouting probe! Dream profession is Aiur Head Chef.

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Mike the stalker. Hardest working of them all, and single-handedly preventing scouting and pressure, while receiving the least credit.

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Emily, the mothership core. Has a secret love for education, but quickly gets out of hand and fires photons all over the place if pissed off.

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Snowden, the sneaky observer, watching out for the protoss race. He checks your computer history too.

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Clyde, the zealot. Often times forgotten about due to cutting corners in the early game, and is always brought around in clutch situations.


replay : http://drop.sc/355517

The Game

Early Game
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The match up was PvZ, the map was Yeonsu. Since it was a new map, I still was quite far from understanding the best way to play on it. I generally feel uncomfortable when there's backdoor rocks, even though most of the time they probably don't make much of a difference. I start off with my usual 1gate expand/walloff.

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From now on you're gonna be back in my base, you gateway!

I'd like to point out here that right as this match started, I felt like I didn't want to play. Maybe it was because it was VS zerg, but as soon as the game loaded up I wished that I had canceled match search. My heart didn't feel too into this game. Anyhow, Johnson scouts around like the good probe he is, checking the 15 pool, and delays the zerg's natural by a tiny bit of time.

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Every second counts <3.

The zerg takes his first extractor at around 3:30. A pretty early timing to get it against protoss.I hate it when they get early gas... it means they're not going for standard ol' fast 3base play .

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His gas is used primarily to get speed... with his 3rd delayed past the 6 minute mark, I can't help but wonder if getting speed this fast without a 3rd is really worth it. Of course I lost to him so it worked out for him, but it still seems like his macro wasn't as good as it could have bene.

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Pool party!

Still with no 3rd in sight, the zerg gets up all 4 of his extractors now at 6:30. I wish that I had checked for all those gasses earlier, it might have made me more alerted to the fact that he was definitely not going to be rushing out some mass tech *cough* mutas *cough*... My oracle poked in a little bit, but since he got up spore crawlers in time I wasn't able to kill anything nor scout much.

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Aye mate, lets try actually scouting next time.

I try to go about with my build, just getting only 3 bases fast... and suddenly a ton of speedlings come and attack the 3rd! My oracles were out of position, and i also had less oracles than I normally would (my initial reaction to the scouting was a huge allin) and they were able to force the cancel quite handily.

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All I wanted were nice things.


End Game
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Most of his lings that came around attacking earlier on in the game were cleaned off by my oracles plus a few force fields, and only now did the zerg actually start droning up and surpassing me in worker count. My macro got a bit off after losing the first attempt at my 3rd, so I decided to actually build up some gateways this game. I also got my 2nd stargate, primarily making voidrays out of it (I was still afraid of an allin).

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My oracles finally manage to get some economic damage done after they laser a queen to the face, tag team style. I also picked off a couple of drones, but his spore crawlers still were coming up and i could only do a bit of damage. Meanwhile, unscouted by me, his spire was being thrown down... Sigh. A spire. Of course.

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TAG TEAM LASER-AGE!!!

All of his agression earlier on in the game had been costing him indirect damage, sitting at a mere 60 drones to my 43 probes 10 minutes in... the more I watch this replay the more I have second thoughts about giving up this strategy. I really do think that the theory of it works, it's just my execution that fails... although perhaps being so hard-counterable at the slightly mistake in scouting can be considered a fatal weakness to the build.

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Ohhh mutalisks, so skillfull. Almost as much as mass skillrays.

Once the mutalisks came out it was basically over for me. Although i had 2 stargates created I didn't actually see the mutalisks until they were on top of my units. Stalkers and voidrays can't do shit against mass muta, and my army was torn to shreds.

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That zerg really wasn't better than me... stupid mutas.

It's a painful death losing to mutalisks when you have 2 stargates. I tried to get phoenixes out in desparation, but of course it's too late now. I really do hate mutas.


Well folks, I'm losing my PvZs. Can't deny that fact. It's about time I switch it up, and hopefully you'll be seeing some better play out of me soon <3. I'm thinking to start trying to do 1gate expand into phoenixes, maybe colossus/voidray for the mid game. It seems pretty strong, and incorporates some skytoss too. Not sure if that build can transition into full skytoss, but by god I'll try!

Thanks for reading, and GL HF!

P.S.
Phalanx now streams! Subscribe to check it out when I stream, although the times that i do so may be really weird!
http://twitch.tv/sirphalanx

P.P.S.
Check out the website for my current clan as well as my previous clan! Not much to see yet, but with some support more action might get going ;D
http://nacgaming.net http://facebook.com/nacgaming
http://facebook.com/darkonyxftw

P.P.P.S.
Go away I'm trying to internet.

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Go to school - Laddder - Sleep - repeat. Who needs a social life anyways.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
August 26 2013 12:01 GMT
#2
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Sir.Phalanx
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Japan195 Posts
August 26 2013 13:01 GMT
#3
On August 26 2013 21:01 Emzeeshady wrote:
You really shouldn't blame diamond losses on balance. Mutas are frustrating to defend as Protoss but easily doable with good scouting and micro.


I never blamed balance in the slightest. It's just that I hate fighting mutas ^^. I know they're countered hard by phoenixes, but to be realistic that's the ONLY counter. And thus I dislike fighting them.
Go to school - Laddder - Sleep - repeat. Who needs a social life anyways.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
August 26 2013 13:11 GMT
#4
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Sir.Phalanx
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Japan195 Posts
August 26 2013 21:37 GMT
#5
On August 26 2013 22:11 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On August 26 2013 22:01 Sir.Phalanx wrote:
On August 26 2013 21:01 Emzeeshady wrote:
You really shouldn't blame diamond losses on balance. Mutas are frustrating to defend as Protoss but easily doable with good scouting and micro.


I never blamed balance in the slightest. It's just that I hate fighting mutas ^^. I know they're countered hard by phoenixes, but to be realistic that's the ONLY counter. And thus I dislike fighting them.

"The Zerg really wasn't better then me"
"Oh Mutas so skill full"

Sounds like balance whine to me but regardless you can defend mutas without phoenix. It is just harder to do with storm/archons


Ok if it sounded like balance, I'm sorry. When I said that I really did mean that the zerg didn't seem better than me, but not that he won because of imbalance, he won because I simply didn't scout enough/correctly. Had I scouted the spire out, I could have had phoenixes out in time and easily dealt with the mutas. I didn't, and thus I was rolled by them. I won't get into detail on that, but it really wasn't meant to be whining.

Also dealing with mutas without phoenix is so much harder that I think it's basically pointless to even try. Nothing other than phoenixes can really keep the mutas from just flying in, and anything else will most likely end up in a baserace...
Go to school - Laddder - Sleep - repeat. Who needs a social life anyways.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
August 26 2013 22:45 GMT
#6
Meh, don't worry about Emzeeshady. IIRC, he plays Zerg and has whined plenty (and I mean, plenty) about Protoss.

Besides, I haven't met the Protoss yet who did not also hate Mutas. Yes, we can beat them but it's >_< as fuck, sometimes.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
August 26 2013 22:54 GMT
#7
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aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
August 27 2013 00:39 GMT
#8
For the record, eh? Right.
KT best KT ~ 2014
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