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You need to play with friends for it to be fun, quite boring by yourself imo.
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I enjoyed playing Diablo 3 all the way. I also liked the "old days" when everyone was raging because I actually enjoyed the "harder content" (aka constant gearcheck.) and liked playing in areas that pushed me to the limit
I lost some of the interest when they nerfed everything to the ground but picked it up again later.
It's a nice grinder game with good mechanics and a really nice atmosphere, especially a1&a3. You don't need friends to level up, it just is a bit faster. There is also a selffound community which is small but alive.
If you search something that allows for some quick runs (from 30 min to 2 h, everything is possible) you def can check it out.
PS: I miss runes as a complementary to finding equipment, I don't miss charms b/c they always messed up the inventory, I don't miss "free stats" b/c in d2 it was always: enough Str to get eq., rest vit and I don't miss the skilltree b/c "max bonespear and every synergy" isn't that good of a mechanic imo.
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On August 24 2013 12:32 Hryul wrote:
I enjoyed playing Diablo 3 all the way. I also liked the "old days" when everyone was raging because I actually enjoyed the "harder content" (aka constant gearcheck.) and liked playing in areas that pushed me to the limit
I lost some of the interest when they nerfed everything to the ground but picked it up again later.
It's a nice grinder game with good mechanics and a really nice atmosphere, especially a1&a3. You don't need friends to level up, it just is a bit faster. There is also a selffound community which is small but alive.
If you search something that allows for some quick runs (from 30 min to 2 h, everything is possible) you def can check it out.
PS: I miss runes as a complementary to finding equipment, I don't miss charms b/c they always messed up the inventory, I don't miss "free stats" b/c in d2 it was always: enough Str to get eq., rest vit and I don't miss the skilltree b/c "max bonespear and every synergy" isn't that good of a mechanic imo.
so..is it ok fun to grind alone? :S also i was wondering if there was a /players 8 function in d3 like they had in d2.
On August 24 2013 12:45 udgnim wrote:
story sucks
wat if i just wanted to be in cool environments killing monsters ? : |
i never expected much from diablos story anyway haha
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On August 24 2013 12:47 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 12:32 Hryul wrote:
I enjoyed playing Diablo 3 all the way. I also liked the "old days" when everyone was raging because I actually enjoyed the "harder content" (aka constant gearcheck.) and liked playing in areas that pushed me to the limit
I lost some of the interest when they nerfed everything to the ground but picked it up again later.
It's a nice grinder game with good mechanics and a really nice atmosphere, especially a1&a3. You don't need friends to level up, it just is a bit faster. There is also a selffound community which is small but alive.
If you search something that allows for some quick runs (from 30 min to 2 h, everything is possible) you def can check it out.
PS: I miss runes as a complementary to finding equipment, I don't miss charms b/c they always messed up the inventory, I don't miss "free stats" b/c in d2 it was always: enough Str to get eq., rest vit and I don't miss the skilltree b/c "max bonespear and every synergy" isn't that good of a mechanic imo. so..is it ok fun to grind alone? :S also i was wondering if there was a /players 8 function in d3 like they had in d2. wat if i just wanted to be in cool environments killing monsters ? : | i never expected much from diablos story anyway haha
then you will probably like it. the atmosphere is very similar to diablo 2 and the gameplay is just smooth.
while you may not end up grinding hardcore as in d2, its a lot of fun for at least one playthrough through all difficulties.
edit: there is a similar function to the players 8 from d2. and you can make the game quite challenging from the beginning. at least i had a lot of fun on hardcore after a few months long break.
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d3's strength is its gameplay.
You can't really expect to put hundreds of hours into it solo but it's definitely a very enjoyable game.
If you're into hardcore the game will last you a lot longer. If not then you'll probably level something to 60 and then forget about the game.
edit: that said, you should try path of exile. It's free to play with cosmetic micro transactions, plays like d2/d3 and has a cool skill system. It's less visceral due to not being a AAA game, but it's really good!
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I would recommend it if you have a group of friends. The gameplay in d3 is a bit more dynamic than d2 in that you have more skills at your disposal. However, it's still very repetitive and boring to do alone. With a group of friends, coordinating and comboing skills can be really exciting.
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the game is really awesome when you play solo and don't use the auction house! You can play with friends too from time to time, solo it's alot of fun too, the character development and such.
The story in itself is great, but the presentation of it is bad. All the patches up till now have made the game much better!
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On August 24 2013 12:26 skyR wrote:
You need to play with friends for it to be fun, quite boring by yourself imo.
This. It's a lot more fun with people for some reason, and I usually like playing these games alone, for most part.
Just go in with no expectations, if you try to hold it up to certain standards, it will sort of not hold up, but on it's own it's quite a decent game.
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if you played d2 remotely seriously you'll be heavily disappointed by d3.
Main flaw is no character building/sense of identity. Only one viable build per class. Two occasionally but it just becomes dependent on what you are farming.
Story is decent but level design is dull and can be considered too linear. After the first playthrough even on a different difficulty you'll notice this being what turned off a lot of people.
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The Game sucks .. Play it for the money. If you won't, it'll be just a waste of time.
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If you want to play a fun game, play Diablo 2 Hell unleashed.
D3 is not a bad game but a definite step back from D2.
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It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake.
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If you enjoyed d2, you will definitely hate the diablo 3 skill system. There's no comparison. It feels fairly rigid in comparison.
You will also be pretty heavily disappointed with the amount of drops you get vs the stats given on these drops. It's difficult to keep playing due to this last reason alone.
The existence of the auction house also messes with things.
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I think its worth playing through.
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I played D3 single player, grinding my own gear. It's horribly boring.
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If its just a chill and casual playthrough like you said, you probably will enjoy it. I did. The story is subpar but whatever that's not what I play diablo for. The atmosphere is nice and the music is well made. I think a single playthrough is definitely worth the money especially now that an expansion is coming out and the price went down a bit.
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i played a ton of lod and a ton of d3 HC post-paragon and SC pre-paragon
don't bother, d3 is terrible and if you enjoyed d2 at all it will make you very sad. the only real thing to grind for in d3 is "bigger deeps," there's no real variation in builds, itemization is terrible and boring
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...have you tried Path of Exile yet? The very core of the game is much closer to D2 than D3.
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it's a good game. I played softcore first, this got boring pretty quickly. hardcore is pretty fun though, especially if you try to avoid the AH. (I only sell stuff there and buy gems, but I don't buy any gear.)
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On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake.
What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better.
On August 24 2013 17:37 r.Evo wrote:
...have you tried Path of Exile yet? The very core of the game is much closer to D2 than D3.
Also this, PoE recreates the feel that D2 had much better than D3.
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Like, the main problem dia 3 has in my opinion is the endgame. I think it can be quite fun to play through if you ignore the auction house, but once you beat the game on the highest difficulty, there is only act3 to farm. And that act is quite boring and ugly.
Path of Exile, very interresting. The problem is that lots of builds are not viable in hc, due to lag/desync. It probably is totally amazing if you focus on singleplayer SC. It actually has an endgame.
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On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake. What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better.
Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is.
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I think D3 is a great game. If you expect a revolution to your D2 series, then it won't happen but if you look at D3 itself, it's a great game and a lot of fun. I think people just had some crazy expectations towards what the game would be, and to be frank, how much can you really change from D2... 
To me, it's just a new, better and upgraded D2
Better I mean: Better graphics, better controls and such. Gameplay you'll have to decide yourself
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On August 24 2013 20:02 cjin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake. What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better. Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is.
Some of us think that system is better, it's opinion so meh
Edit: Oh and Bumblebee has got it right.
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On August 24 2013 20:02 cjin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake. What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better. Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is.
I think the point with people not liking the skillsystem in D3 is that there's no uniqueness. Everybody has the same which I also find quite sad. I love the uniqueness and that you can shape your character in the way that you want, even though it might not be the "best" version of an Ice Sorc or whatever.
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I played Diablo 3 as a true single player game, as in I did not expect to get more hours out of it compared to a normal Single player game, and from that perspective I got what I wanted from Diablo 3.
So for me it was worth the money and I'm going to get the expansion as well, however I do not expect it to be a multiplayer game like Diablo 2 since Blizzard, so far at least, has done very little to improve that particular aspect of the game.
I do feel Diablo 3 along with its expansion is worth picking up, if only for the single game content, and once you finished it just put it on the shelf since there is no point continue playing it after that.
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Don't waste your money. My copy was free because I made $70 off the RMAH and even still if I could go back and un-buy it I would.
If you enjoyed D2 like most of us... don't ruin your memories by playing D3.
Do yourself a favor and play Path of Exile instead. It's a much, much better game in every way.
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On August 24 2013 21:49 Bumblebee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 20:02 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake. What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better. Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is. I think the point with people not liking the skillsystem in D3 is that there's no uniqueness. Everybody has the same which I also find quite sad. I love the uniqueness and that you can shape your character in the way that you want, even though it might not be the "best" version of an Ice Sorc or whatever.
I hear that a lot but it doesn't seem that way when I check out the random bnet profiles in my chat channel. It's true that the high-end-theory-crafting-to-the-maximum people all have about the same skills but people who don't do that don't have. It's also that more offensive skillsets require better gear so (as a selffound player) he could see himself changing some skills just because he got better gear.
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Un-give up on Broodwar imo
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On August 24 2013 21:41 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 20:02 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake. What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better. Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is. Some of us think that system is better, it's opinion so meh Edit: Oh and Bumblebee has got it right.
It may be matter of opinion, but I have never seen anyone who's claiming D2 system was better to actually tell WHY it is better. That' s why I believe its just the human nature to be against change that makes people claim D2 had better system.
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If you're looking for something with god of war feelings of power and ownage with a fun control system and a cool looking game to rock to go for it. You might also find value due to your Bw experiences. The attacks are 1-5 keys which is just really cool if you were one of the people who always wanted to be good with hotkeys in starcraft, because it can definitely help with that.
Nowhere close to diablo 2 lord of destruction. Someone earlier said "levels are too linear." I agree with this, though i couldn't put my finger on it before. Characters aren't quite as distinctive/good. I mean Amazon with javelins or bows, druid with wind, summons, and transformations.. Runewords..I don't know. It's just not as good for a lot of small subtle reasons. similar to bw vs sc2.
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On August 24 2013 12:45 udgnim wrote:
story sucks
This. D2's story was respectable and interesting, even if it wasn't great. D3's is a fucking piece of trash.
That said, D3 can be fun. It just simply isn't as good as D2, in any way. It's not worth $60, but it might be worth the reduced price.
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It is entertaining, but I grew bored of it, Unlike D2 which I played for years and years.
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Personally I think you should give it a try but maybe wait until Loot2.0 is added to the base game of D3. I probably sank 800 hours into the game and it's a great deal of fun but I ruined my experience through using what I saw as a necessity of the auction house. Loot2.0 should help put the loot hunt back into the game and from there on I would avoid even looking at the auction house and just play for fun. It's a great game for what it is and I do recommend you try to find a few friends to play it with as well.
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On August 24 2013 23:17 cjin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 21:41 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 20:02 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake. What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better. Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is. Some of us think that system is better, it's opinion so meh Edit: Oh and Bumblebee has got it right. It may be matter of opinion, but I have never seen anyone who's claiming D2 system was better to actually tell WHY it is better. That' s why I believe its just the human nature to be against change that makes people claim D2 had better system.
I enjoy knowing that every decision I make to do with skills will stay with me, it invests you more in your character, decisions feel like they matter and it makes it feel more role play-like rather than just a game.
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On August 25 2013 02:02 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 23:17 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 21:41 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 20:02 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake. What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better. Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is. Some of us think that system is better, it's opinion so meh Edit: Oh and Bumblebee has got it right. It may be matter of opinion, but I have never seen anyone who's claiming D2 system was better to actually tell WHY it is better. That' s why I believe its just the human nature to be against change that makes people claim D2 had better system. I enjoy knowing that every decision I make to do with skills will stay with me, it invests you more in your character, decisions feel like they matter and it makes it feel more role play-like rather than just a game.
yes, but we already had this. it lead to the uncomfortable instance where most players had to trash their first d2 char because it was garbage. (remember the "sword mastery" from the barb. lol)
this is a matter of tastes but nothing you could say was "better".
Also to add some spice to the game: d2 was even more bugged than d3. i.e. berserk actually doesn't deal magic damage iirc.
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On August 25 2013 02:25 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 02:02 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 23:17 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 21:41 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 20:02 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake. What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better. Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is. Some of us think that system is better, it's opinion so meh Edit: Oh and Bumblebee has got it right. It may be matter of opinion, but I have never seen anyone who's claiming D2 system was better to actually tell WHY it is better. That' s why I believe its just the human nature to be against change that makes people claim D2 had better system. I enjoy knowing that every decision I make to do with skills will stay with me, it invests you more in your character, decisions feel like they matter and it makes it feel more role play-like rather than just a game. yes, but we already had this. it lead to the uncomfortable instance where most players had to trash their first d2 char because it was garbage. (remember the "sword mastery" from the barb. lol) this is a matter of tastes but nothing you could say was "better". Also to add some spice to the game: d2 was even more bugged than d3. i.e. berserk actually doesn't deal magic damage iirc.
I already mentioned it was opinion, that post was also just me describing my reasons for preferring the D2 skilltree because the previous poster said that no one ever does.
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On August 25 2013 02:34 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 02:25 Hryul wrote:On August 25 2013 02:02 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 23:17 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 21:41 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 20:02 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake. What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better. Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is. Some of us think that system is better, it's opinion so meh Edit: Oh and Bumblebee has got it right. It may be matter of opinion, but I have never seen anyone who's claiming D2 system was better to actually tell WHY it is better. That' s why I believe its just the human nature to be against change that makes people claim D2 had better system. I enjoy knowing that every decision I make to do with skills will stay with me, it invests you more in your character, decisions feel like they matter and it makes it feel more role play-like rather than just a game. yes, but we already had this. it lead to the uncomfortable instance where most players had to trash their first d2 char because it was garbage. (remember the "sword mastery" from the barb. lol) this is a matter of tastes but nothing you could say was "better". Also to add some spice to the game: d2 was even more bugged than d3. i.e. berserk actually doesn't deal magic damage iirc. I already mentioned it was opinion, that post was also just me describing my reasons for preferring the D2 skilltree because the previous poster said that no one ever does.
and I thought you were about to provide reasons why "D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable" since he asked for reasons why d2>d3.
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On August 25 2013 02:52 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 02:34 Targe wrote:On August 25 2013 02:25 Hryul wrote:On August 25 2013 02:02 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 23:17 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 21:41 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 20:02 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake. What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better. Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is. Some of us think that system is better, it's opinion so meh Edit: Oh and Bumblebee has got it right. It may be matter of opinion, but I have never seen anyone who's claiming D2 system was better to actually tell WHY it is better. That' s why I believe its just the human nature to be against change that makes people claim D2 had better system. I enjoy knowing that every decision I make to do with skills will stay with me, it invests you more in your character, decisions feel like they matter and it makes it feel more role play-like rather than just a game. yes, but we already had this. it lead to the uncomfortable instance where most players had to trash their first d2 char because it was garbage. (remember the "sword mastery" from the barb. lol) this is a matter of tastes but nothing you could say was "better". Also to add some spice to the game: d2 was even more bugged than d3. i.e. berserk actually doesn't deal magic damage iirc. I already mentioned it was opinion, that post was also just me describing my reasons for preferring the D2 skilltree because the previous poster said that no one ever does. and I thought you were about to provide reasons why "D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable" since he asked for reasons why d2>d3.
lol it was just about the 'system' that is the skilltree
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here some things that made diablo 2 so awesome and are missing in d3:
- incredible legendarys for every level
- item progression with character, not the "lvl 59 --> no item ; level 60 --> all the items". Leveling was much more fun therefore.
You could say Diablo 3 right now starts with lvl 60 and everything before that is "get to 60 as fast as possible".
- Runewords
--> there were so many useful and cheap ways to selfmake a solid itembase. It felt so much better than buying a stlighly improved version of your last item in the AH.
- Skilltree --> more character variety [a summoner has nothing to do with a poison mancer or a bone mancer, 3 totally different characters that need quite a bit of different items]
- Game was hard as fuck in "hell"
You can get a solid character with okish equipment easily, but you wont be able to do a whole lot alone / in hell very likely. you need the abolute best for it to acutally progress.
--> not the improvised "-mp10" mode that acutally doesnt get used how its meant to, its just to calculate farm speed :/
- Item / Stat variety. [imo the main point]
in D3, there are so little important stats for a char, which make items and item progression so boring. For a barb in D3 its basically: Strengh, Vitality, Res/Armor, Crit, maybe a bit of LoH
in D2 there were so many awesome, but rare stats that made also gave a lot of item varity:
Stats, Damage, (Magic) Damage reduction, Damage reduction%, Lifeleech, +skills (!), resistances, defense, auras and skills on items, attack rating, types of damage that acutally mattered, attackspeed (which acutally mattered and didnt simply calculate on the dps chart of the weapon), Crit % Deathblow [great, but not the "crit% on every item = must of d3].
You couldnt find items with all those stats on it, you have to think about how to combine items to make your character as awesome as possible.
In diablo 3, you basically want all the 4-5 important stats on every peace of your equipment, and if you get another item, its just the same with a bit more of it. thats incredibly boring.
Diablo 3 is still a great game folks, but they really fucked up on the items and skilltree / character skills immensly imo. there are a lot of things that diablo 2 didnt have and are great, but it simply cannot make up for the things missing :/
@OP:
Yes, its worth playing the single player, the story and videos are quite awesome, the gameplay makes a lot of fun. Avoid auction house.
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On August 24 2013 22:31 Serejai wrote:
Don't waste your money. My copy was free because I made $70 off the RMAH and even still if I could go back and un-buy it I would.
If you enjoyed D2 like most of us... don't ruin your memories by playing D3.
Do yourself a favor and play Path of Exile instead. It's a much, much better game in every way.
I was lucky enough to get some decent items sold early on in the release to make back the money I spent buying the game too. I don't think it's really possible now with AH inflation unless you get really lucky and roll max stat unique items. I recently started playing again just to see if anything has changed, and it reminds me how harsh the drop system is.
The auction house is really a terrible addition, and I wish that it were possible to play a non-AH version of the game. It would so much more interesting. Although, I still believe the skill system is heavily lacking.
On August 25 2013 06:21 KalWarkov wrote:
in D3, there are so little important stats for a char, which make items and item progression so boring. For a barb in D3 its basically: Strengh, Vitality, Res/Armor, Crit, maybe a bit of LoH
Basically this. Change the primary stat from strenght to intel/dex, and you have a monk/demon hunter or WD/wizard character. You get primary stat + vit + res all + crit for almost all items.
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I enjoyed playing D3. Although it's all about the Auction House. All your gear and gold will have to come from it. For some people that's a turn off but personally I don't mind it. You can easily beat inferno and start slowly grinding away without the AH, but the fact that the AH is there makes people want to only get the best gears, and that's where a lot of people get discouraged.
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On August 25 2013 02:52 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 02:34 Targe wrote:On August 25 2013 02:25 Hryul wrote:On August 25 2013 02:02 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 23:17 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 21:41 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 20:02 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake. What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better. Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is. Some of us think that system is better, it's opinion so meh Edit: Oh and Bumblebee has got it right. It may be matter of opinion, but I have never seen anyone who's claiming D2 system was better to actually tell WHY it is better. That' s why I believe its just the human nature to be against change that makes people claim D2 had better system. I enjoy knowing that every decision I make to do with skills will stay with me, it invests you more in your character, decisions feel like they matter and it makes it feel more role play-like rather than just a game. yes, but we already had this. it lead to the uncomfortable instance where most players had to trash their first d2 char because it was garbage. (remember the "sword mastery" from the barb. lol) this is a matter of tastes but nothing you could say was "better". Also to add some spice to the game: d2 was even more bugged than d3. i.e. berserk actually doesn't deal magic damage iirc. I already mentioned it was opinion, that post was also just me describing my reasons for preferring the D2 skilltree because the previous poster said that no one ever does. and I thought you were about to provide reasons why "D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable" since he asked for reasons why d2>d3.
If you're looking for that, then you were living under a fucking rock for a year.
That discussion was long ago, and points were very, very, VERY thoroughly explained.
Oh. and all this "everyone's first few characters sucked ass and you were punished for not following a guide" is total bullshit. D2 required you to actually invest in a character. In this way, it punished you for being terrible at a game, which is perfectly fine. However, it hardly required you to min/max your character. I got through Hell on numerous characters with any number of builds that you wouldn't find in a guide because they weren't min/maxed for the best stats/damage. D2 Softcore isn't hard by any stretch of the imagination, so it's not like D3 vastly improved accessibility to the game. If you want true difficulty, go back to D1 as a Sorcerer in single player, or as a Warrior in general.
It's entirely possible to get through that game with a personal build that you enjoy as long as you aren't absolutely terrible at the game. All of this "It was horrible because I had to constantly delete characters" is just gross exaggeration.
Oh, and they added a respec option a couple years ago.
Again, D3 is a fun game. It can be an enjoyable experience, especially now that you don't have to shell out $60. That said, do not expect it to live up to D2. You'll just be disappointed. Just look at it as its own experience.
And for the love of God, don't invest yourself in the story whatsoever.
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I played through to max level in the first week and it was pretty fun, there is nothing to do after that but grind and try and play the auction house.
Overall its pretty good for a 1st play thru but I would recommend any other MMO for better ROI.
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Having spent too much time playing D3, I'd say it's worth a playing if all you need is a gaming fix that isn't too time consuming. It depends on how attached you get to your characters in video games. I still fondly remember my Amazon in D2, Warrior in WoW, etc. Otherwise, just play thru once, see all the content, move on to the next game!
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On August 25 2013 10:17 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 02:52 Hryul wrote:On August 25 2013 02:34 Targe wrote:On August 25 2013 02:25 Hryul wrote:On August 25 2013 02:02 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 23:17 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 21:41 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 20:02 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 16:43 cjin wrote:
It is a good game, many people just didn't like that it was diablo 3 and not diablo 2 remake, and hopped on the whinewagon as everyone else was doing it also.
Just remember that while you played D2 a lot, and liked it, it was looong time ago. You have changed during that time, and with that what you enjoy may have changed. You may just not like arpg's at all anymore. But the only way to really know is to try it. Just don't expect it to be D2 remake. What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better. Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is. Some of us think that system is better, it's opinion so meh Edit: Oh and Bumblebee has got it right. It may be matter of opinion, but I have never seen anyone who's claiming D2 system was better to actually tell WHY it is better. That' s why I believe its just the human nature to be against change that makes people claim D2 had better system. I enjoy knowing that every decision I make to do with skills will stay with me, it invests you more in your character, decisions feel like they matter and it makes it feel more role play-like rather than just a game. yes, but we already had this. it lead to the uncomfortable instance where most players had to trash their first d2 char because it was garbage. (remember the "sword mastery" from the barb. lol) this is a matter of tastes but nothing you could say was "better". Also to add some spice to the game: d2 was even more bugged than d3. i.e. berserk actually doesn't deal magic damage iirc. I already mentioned it was opinion, that post was also just me describing my reasons for preferring the D2 skilltree because the previous poster said that no one ever does. and I thought you were about to provide reasons why "D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable" since he asked for reasons why d2>d3. If you're looking for that, then you were living under a fucking rock for a year. That discussion was long ago, and points were very, very, VERY thoroughly explained. Oh. and all this "everyone's first few characters sucked ass and you were punished for not following a guide" is total bullshit. D2 required you to actually invest in a character. In this way, it punished you for being terrible at a game, which is perfectly fine. However, it hardly required you to min/max your character. I got through Hell on numerous characters with any number of builds that you wouldn't find in a guide because they weren't min/maxed for the best stats/damage. D2 Softcore isn't hard by any stretch of the imagination, so it's not like D3 vastly improved accessibility to the game. If you want true difficulty, go back to D1 as a Sorcerer in single player, or as a Warrior in general. It's entirely possible to get through that game with a personal build that you enjoy as long as you aren't absolutely terrible at the game. All of this "It was horrible because I had to constantly delete characters" is just gross exaggeration. Oh, and they added a respec option a couple years ago. Again, D3 is a fun game. It can be an enjoyable experience, especially now that you don't have to shell out $60. That said, do not expect it to live up to D2. You'll just be disappointed. Just look at it as its own experience. And for the love of God, don't invest yourself in the story whatsoever.
that was actually tailored towards Targe who was shitting on D3 with "D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable" w/o any explanation of any kind and this Blog where OP obv hasn't followed the scene. So actually explaining stuff would be nice.
And I also didn't say that you had to delete chars "left and right" but that you were punished on your first playthrough if you made the wrong decisions. If you got lucky and played a summoning necro (who could later on revive enemies) you were quite fine. If you were unlucky and played a Fire sorc you couldn't even beat the first group of fallens in hell. Because the game never told you that these suckers would gain immunities on hell. Nowhere in the game and the manual does it say so.
This has nothing to do with actual skill and everything with information the game wouldn't give to you. It's simply unfair.
Quick question on the story: where in D2 is the "worldstone" actually explained? I don't remember that anybody ever told you what it was and why it would be a bad thing for belial to get or what would happen if it was destroyed?
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On August 25 2013 11:42 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 10:17 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 25 2013 02:52 Hryul wrote:On August 25 2013 02:34 Targe wrote:On August 25 2013 02:25 Hryul wrote:On August 25 2013 02:02 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 23:17 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 21:41 Targe wrote:On August 24 2013 20:02 cjin wrote:On August 24 2013 19:29 Targe wrote:
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What? I've heard this argument for SC2 but to use it for the difference between D2 and D3 is just stupid. D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable, everything from the story to the skilltree was better. Skillsystem in D2 was awfulbad. Your first char was piece of shit and had to be rerolled because you spend points in skills you used while leveling instead of trying to get to lvl30 without spending any. And hope you did not accidently spend 2 points into prerequisite skill by accident. People claiming that skilltree design, where you had to read forums for 10h before even starting a character to end up to be any good, just shows how stupid they are and how superior skillsystem in D3 is. Some of us think that system is better, it's opinion so meh Edit: Oh and Bumblebee has got it right. It may be matter of opinion, but I have never seen anyone who's claiming D2 system was better to actually tell WHY it is better. That' s why I believe its just the human nature to be against change that makes people claim D2 had better system. I enjoy knowing that every decision I make to do with skills will stay with me, it invests you more in your character, decisions feel like they matter and it makes it feel more role play-like rather than just a game. yes, but we already had this. it lead to the uncomfortable instance where most players had to trash their first d2 char because it was garbage. (remember the "sword mastery" from the barb. lol) this is a matter of tastes but nothing you could say was "better". Also to add some spice to the game: d2 was even more bugged than d3. i.e. berserk actually doesn't deal magic damage iirc. I already mentioned it was opinion, that post was also just me describing my reasons for preferring the D2 skilltree because the previous poster said that no one ever does. and I thought you were about to provide reasons why "D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable" since he asked for reasons why d2>d3. If you're looking for that, then you were living under a fucking rock for a year. That discussion was long ago, and points were very, very, VERY thoroughly explained. Oh. and all this "everyone's first few characters sucked ass and you were punished for not following a guide" is total bullshit. D2 required you to actually invest in a character. In this way, it punished you for being terrible at a game, which is perfectly fine. However, it hardly required you to min/max your character. I got through Hell on numerous characters with any number of builds that you wouldn't find in a guide because they weren't min/maxed for the best stats/damage. D2 Softcore isn't hard by any stretch of the imagination, so it's not like D3 vastly improved accessibility to the game. If you want true difficulty, go back to D1 as a Sorcerer in single player, or as a Warrior in general. It's entirely possible to get through that game with a personal build that you enjoy as long as you aren't absolutely terrible at the game. All of this "It was horrible because I had to constantly delete characters" is just gross exaggeration. Oh, and they added a respec option a couple years ago. Again, D3 is a fun game. It can be an enjoyable experience, especially now that you don't have to shell out $60. That said, do not expect it to live up to D2. You'll just be disappointed. Just look at it as its own experience. And for the love of God, don't invest yourself in the story whatsoever. that was actually tailored towards Targe who was shitting on D3 with " D2 was a better game by miles than D3 and that's undeniable" w/o any explanation of any kind and this Blog where OP obv hasn't followed the scene. So actually explaining stuff would be nice. And I also didn't say that you had to delete chars "left and right" but that you were punished on your first playthrough if you made the wrong decisions. If you got lucky and played a summoning necro (who could later on revive enemies) you were quite fine. If you were unlucky and played a Fire sorc you couldn't even beat the first group of fallens in hell. Because the game never told you that these suckers would gain immunities on hell. Nowhere in the game and the manual does it say so. This has nothing to do with actual skill and everything with information the game wouldn't give to you. It's simply unfair. Quick question on the story: where in D2 is the "worldstone" actually explained? I don't remember that anybody ever told you what it was and why it would be a bad thing for belial to get or what would happen if it was destroyed?
Sorry for not explaining (I thought I gave some examples like skilltree, atmosphere and storyline but I guess I didn't). Don't get me wrong though, I've still sunk plenty of hours into D3 (although I did quit after hell), I just don't think it's up to D2's standard.
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hi everyone thanks for the replies! i think..since its cheaper now and it seems ok to play single player without having to deal with the Auction house... i'll probably get it and give it a try.
I actually did try Path of Exile.. somehow I got bored of it quickly. might have been because of the lagging and server disconnects I experienced when it got released though... I only beat the 'normal' mode with 2chars and didn't keep on playing. Perhaps it seemed a little 'samey' to me when all my characters could make use of the same skills? I can always give PoE a try if D3 doesn't work out
Just wondering, it isn't too hard to beat hell mode d3 solo right? :| will i be able to get the right items to fight hell / inferno or whatever?
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First off D3 is very dependant on the AH so literally can't get decent items without using it. Secondly Blizzard decided to sell gold on the SC so everything is overinflated it literally takes YEARS to gear up properly without using money. Hardcore is apparently balanced, but obviously you can die only once soo...
So stay the fuck away.
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D3 is just terribly boring. It's fine to play through the campaign once, but it's just not worth the money. The expansion might save the game, but at the moment, I just can't recommend it to anyone.
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On August 25 2013 18:15 alffla wrote:
Just wondering, it isn't too hard to beat hell mode d3 solo right? :| will i be able to get the right items to fight hell / inferno or whatever?
I wouldn't care too much about hell. It's quite easy to beat the game until you reach inferno. Even the vendors have useful stuff to sell if you check them regularly. Since all classes are based on weapon damage (yes, even wizards) you mostly need a good one and you are ready to go.
The jump to inferno is not as smooth as it could be because you get "resistance against everything" not until lvl 60. you might need to exchange some gear b/c you most likely will have too much life but no res. But they nerfed Inferno heavily so I don't think you will be all too frustrated.
Edit: thezanursic is actually wrong. (if you decide to use the AH): the mid tier items get cheaper every day because there are more of them with a (quite) stable playerbase. What gets really expensive are the "high end" items with perfect stats on it. But you absolutely don't need them to beat inferno. (not even on monsterpower 10)
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I disagree with most people here.
For your first play through on single player, the game is pretty fun.
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Just wondering, it isn't too hard to beat hell mode d3 solo right? :| will i be able to get the right items to fight hell / inferno or whatever?
Nope, I did all self found gear till inferno. From there on it got pretty tough, especially act 2, pre nerf. The difficulty got nerfed pretty hard afterwards, but I think you still might need the ah to get a few items.This is no different from d2, you really had to trade or do a lot of runs to get some decent gear for hell.
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On August 26 2013 01:19 Masq wrote:
I disagree with most people here.
For your first play through on single player, the game is pretty fun.
By first play through you mean steamrolling the first few difficulties half asleep, sure. There are better games around that manage to deliver a better story experience, loot system and a better challenge to go with it.
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