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TotalBiscuit
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https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/gennas-retirement | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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Also looking forward to seeing how you manage Axiom; best of luck to you and your team! | ||
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Good luck. | ||
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On August 16 2013 15:24 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Good luck, TB. Those of us who aren't insane are rooting for you and for Axiom. Seconded, with interest. | ||
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On August 16 2013 15:24 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Good luck, TB. Those of us who aren't insane are rooting for you and for Axiom. I'm absolutely insane, but I still know I should be rooting for Axiom. But seriously, I have faith in you and the other guys on Axiom, I believe you are headed for bigger and better thing. GL HG | ||
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TheButtonmen
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Shadowpostin
Germany798 Posts
You have a full time job and you just added another one to your to do list alongside being a babysitter. idk,I think you just bit off more than you can chew | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
I found out about you through your SC2 casting. I subscribed to your channel after hearing your thoughts on one IGN writer's thoughts on "Gamer Entitlement" following the Mass Effect 3 release in one of your Mailbox segments. I generally don't watch the stuff on your TotalBiscuit SC2 channel, though I loved what you were doing with Shoutcraft America and did tune into those. I generally watch your TotalHalibut channel for your Mailbox and Content Patch videos (I open the videos with Adblock off). I will skim the occasional WTF Is... video, but close them early a lot of the time because a lot of them don't interest me. If I do like the WTF Is... video, I reload it once with Adblock off to make sure you get an approved view. I think you started off as a decent caster, and have greatly improved to be a really good caster. You're probably near the top of the 2nd tier of my personal list of SC2 casters. And I completely understand that there may have been some understandable misunderstandings that got in the way of Axiom being able to compete in the ATC. And it was definitely wrong of Take to mentioning/threatening legal action. And that Genna's post did not make her Take or Acer look bad. But it IS just a part of professional courtesy not to post private, business-related conversations in public without the other party's consent/notification. While I appreciate Genna's openness, and that Take shouldn't have mentioned/threatened legal action, I still don't think it was the right thing to do in a professional setting. Especially with Genna doing it again in her retirement post. Now, this is not me completely condemning you or Genna being in the completely wrong. It wasn't right of Take to mention/threaten legal action, but posting private, business conversations isn't something people should do in a professional setting, no matter how good or bad it makes either party look. I also think that the constant "fuck Take" remarks isn't something I think casts you or anyone else in a good light, either. Now, I understand that you see yourself as a "straight talker". And that Genna is your wife. I can empathize with that, which is why I think it's understandable that you're feeling the way you are and lashing out the way you are. But at the end of the day, while I think it's understandable, I don't think it's the right course of action to take. I don't expect you to be buddy-buddy with Take, but I don't think this is something I'll personally look back on and say "You know, TB did the right thing when he said 'fuck Take'". Maybe there could be a little more professionalism, even if you or your loved ones aren't being treated in the most professional way? Because with some of the stuff you're tweeting, it's not helping the "toxicity" in the e-sports and general gaming scene that you mentioned in your sound file. It's just adding to it. I just want to end this by saying I do truly wish the best for you, Genna, and Axiom. I do believe Take was wrong in mentioning/threatening legal action. And I hope all parties involved, no matter how big or small, can pull through this ordeal. Hopefully, someone or something can bring some optimism to this cynical situation. Take care. Final note: I barely watch anything that Take is involved with to begin with. I don't really watch most European events, and while I knew who Take was before, I've never really had much attachment to him. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
However, please TB, if you're so adamant about the whole transparency thing and being a nice community etc, you're going about this the wrong way. Don't be transparent by posting private conversations... it might not be illegal, but it's without a doubt morally reprehensible, you can't justify that. Instead, take it upon yourself to be professional and awesome, owe up to the mistake about posting the private conversations and stop writing "fuck take". Show that you're the bigger man instead of acting like a school boy. | ||
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Willzzz
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Irave
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Deleuze
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
That you want to protect your family is 100% understandable, but all of this should not have be made public. Now it is and people have to learn from this incident. Learn to be more careful. Learn to put a NDA in front of every spoken or written word. Learn to put emotions aside and focus on the cold business side. thats kinda sad ... but necessary. | ||
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Kreb
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First of all: Good luck with Axiom! I do hope the team can still function as before. Dont know if you care or even read the comments in the thread, but I posted some thoughts in the news announcement thread. I do criticize a few things you said/did, so if you're in no mood to read then never mind. If you are though, maybe it could give you some feedback on a thing or two and make you reconsider some things. Either way, nothing in my post was written with any spite or anything like that. Post: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425694¤tpage=10#188 | ||
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Plansix
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MuMeise
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On August 16 2013 14:15 TotalBiscuit wrote: I'm not much of a writer, I prefer to speak as you know. So let me do that. https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/gennas-retirement First: I am terribly sorry for your wife having depressions!! I know how it feels, my wife was there too. but... to be honest... you behave like a child all the way. You have no clue on how to run a business that is pretty clear on hearing your last few words which are clearly directed at take tv. The problem is: You are saying the community should know everything, but on the other hand you reference the problem of a developer being threatend to be killed for nerfing a sniper rifle in Call of Duty... That clearly states: THE COMMUNITY SHOULD NOT KNOW EVERYTHING. Genna released private communications with take tv. No matter if axiom was correct, or your accusations against Dennis are correct... that doesn't matter at all. Those problems are kept in private. You could have called Dennis via skype and talked with him and there wouldn't have been a problem at all. At least: This is how I do it. And I manage projects with a volume of several million bugs every day, working for a german software company. And business is business... And private talks are kept private. Genna released information without talking to Dennis first, and it doesn't matter how much you love her... she shouldn't have done this. And you didn't help by throwing oil in the fire with "fuck dennis" Instead you could have just called the guy and told him: man my wife has problems you fucked up dick and you didn't help her by threatening her. Then he could have responded in private with something like: you dick, you released private talks to the public without informing me first. You are both correct, you both screwed up. And btw. Dennis posted that he still wants to talk to you and get this out of the world... so have a bit of backbone, talk to him so this is out of the world... you stupid child... | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
I kinda realize that your back is against the wall w/ respect to Axiom-- realistically, if you don't step up to the plate and manage at this point, who will... But I hope that it's not too much of a strain on who you are-- I think it's important for you to be able to be clear, to the point, no bullshit, speak your mind, and hopefully the stress of having to mince words and be politically correct in your position as manager doesn't prove to be a massive stress.... Saving time by ignoring twitter trolls, awesome, gotta look after yourself... though I'm sure there will be many (inc. me) that miss the retorts. Though, in the end, if anything, if all goes well and you aren't driven completely mad, it'll probably force you to learn to ignore the idiots and not take them personally which can only be good. again, best of luck. | ||
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arie3000
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However, please try to stay a little 'cooler', and not to say things like 'fuck take' in your new position - it'll only hurt you, and the scene. Best of luck with Axiom, you guys have a great team! | ||
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lantz
United States762 Posts
some people cant keep up with all the drama so please help | ||
Falling
Canada11315 Posts
It's just too bad the reasons listed here weren't the reasons given in the GLHF as I don't think people would be quite so dramatic. (Well that might be overly hopeful, but still.) It's kinda crazy how quickly psycho that other thread got. 130K views and +600 replies. Everyone feels like they need to chime in and what wouldn't be too bad if 1-2 people saying it. It gets kinda nuts when hundreds are arguing back and forth about it. | ||
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Advocado
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On August 16 2013 23:45 MuMeise wrote: First: I am terribly sorry for your wife having depressions!! I know how it feels, my wife was there too. but... to be honest... you behave like a child all the way. You have no clue on how to run a business that is pretty clear on hearing your last few words which are clearly directed at take tv. The problem is: You are saying the community should know everything, but on the other hand you reference the problem of a developer being threatend to be killed for nerfing a sniper rifle in Call of Duty... That clearly states: THE COMMUNITY SHOULD NOT KNOW EVERYTHING. Genna released private communications with take tv. No matter if axiom was correct, or your accusations against Dennis are correct... that doesn't matter at all. Those problems are kept in private. You could have called Dennis via skype and talked with him and there wouldn't have been a problem at all. At least: This is how I do it. And I manage projects with a volume of several million bugs every day, working for a german software company. And business is business... And private talks are kept private. Genna released information without talking to Dennis first, and it doesn't matter how much you love her... she shouldn't have done this. And you didn't help by throwing oil in the fire with "fuck dennis" Instead you could have just called the guy and told him: man my wife has problems you fucked up dick and you didn't help her by threatening her. Then he could have responded in private with something like: you dick, you released private talks to the public without informing me first. You are both correct, you both screwed up. And btw. Dennis posted that he still wants to talk to you and get this out of the world... so have a bit of backbone, talk to him so this is out of the world... you stupid child... This is where I stand as well. The decision to release the chat logs was questionable but the things Take wrote wasnt even NEAR a threat. The discussion was so overheated cause Take had spent so much time trying to solve the solution beforehand and it looks your team haven't helped find a final solution quick enough. Be it not attending or finding money somewhere else.This just looks like a cheap way out of the e-sports which could have been done much more elegantly with "Farewell Axiom". Lashing out publicly and trying to martyr yourself WON'T make the internet or community (whatever the hell you wanna call it) take your side in this fictional Pitchforking. Cause I didn't give a damn about this before people starting throwing crap at eachother. So either man the fuck up or leave the scene. This amount of Drama will make people NOT want to work with you or your team. And the fans will feel their cheers are spent better somewhere else (Just like with idra). | ||
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Falling
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Project 86- Say Goodbye to the Bad Guys Album: Songs to Burn Your Bridges By | ||
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snively
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Zerg.Zilla
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ETisME
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But publishing private conversation is not ok. And especially not when take has specifically told you that publishing private conversation is not ok. And the biggest problem right now is you, TB. You are supposed to be the one who is taking the shitstorm and make it ok. Tell the fans that axiom will be fine. Give confidence to not only the fans but also the players. But no, instead you go off tweeting fuck you to take. Step it up TB. You guys own as much responsibility as take if not more. And before calling that lawsuit as a threat, think about who gave them the opportunity to use it as a threat and whether it is possible that legal action can be acted upon and why is that the case. | ||
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akaRobin
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Edit: saw it now, good step | ||
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KelianQatar
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http://www.nathanielbranden.com/ | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
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Everyone who has an input about these things generally give a very simple answer, which may be helpful to few, but are never helpful for many (such as take x drug or do x with your life.) Chronic mental illnesses are not something that are just "fixed" by any single solution. This is a part of who a person is, this is who they are. Not to say that it can be helped or remedied, but it comes down to an individual's response to their own unique character trait, it's never just a simple answer. Small rant, I guess, but that's what I focused on with the speech more than anything else (as I've said, I don't follow the scene anymore.) Thumbs up for recognizing this as it is and stating it as it should be. | ||
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BrieFanFiction
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Talk therapy works best with mild to moderate depression; severe depression is believed to be more rooted in the brain's biology because it responds very poorly to talk therapy (talk therapy here defined as CBT [Cognitive Behavioral Therapy] and any form of therapy involving words being spoken). For serious depression, medication may be THE ONLY answer. Serious depression can be a brain disorder. Examples of other brain disorders are schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, OCD, and on and on... listening to Dr. FantasmicalPay$40ForMyTapesBecomeAMillionaire's line of crap will do almost nothing to cure a severe chemically-rooted brain disorder. It's important to understand that a mental illness impairs one just the same as a missing thumb, or loss of vision in one eye; the only difference is it's impossible (right now) for an outside observer to view the physical cause of the malady, resulting in ignorant people concluding it must not exist. This is not dissimilar to the anti-bacteria existence/germ existence line of thought that existed in the late 19th century. KelianQatar, people like you suggesting that quack-sociopath-greedy-cult-leaders like Nathaniel Branden can fix anything other than mild depression/mild self-esteem issues are contributing to the stigma that it is within one's power to change oneself, and depression is "all in your mind." The only answer here is for Genna to see a board-certified Psychologist (who will refer her to a Psychiatrist if necessary) or a licensed Psychiatrist. I have zero doubt in my mind that TB is on this already. This post was meant to provide Psych 101 knowledge to anyone who believes in quackery, not medical advice. | ||
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nath
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On August 17 2013 07:34 BrieFanFiction wrote: KelianQatar, you shouldn't offer medical advice on this forum, especially considering you just recommended a complete buffoon. I'm sure TotalBiscuit and Genna are perfectly capable of getting her the care she needs, but for those of you who are dumb enough to believe that Dr. FantasmicalOzQuantumPhysicsJustBelieveShaman-Semi-Cult-Leader will actually work, please continue reading. Talk therapy works best with mild to moderate depression; severe depression is believed to be more rooted in the brain's biology because it responds very poorly to talk therapy (talk therapy here defined as CBT [Cognitive Behavioral Therapy] and any form of therapy involving words being spoken). For serious depression, medication may be THE ONLY answer. Serious depression can be a brain disorder. Examples of other brain disorders are schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, OCD, and on and on... listening to Dr. FantasmicalPay$40ForMyTapesBecomeAMillionaire's line of crap will do almost nothing to cure a severe chemically-rooted brain disorder. It's important to understand that a mental illness impairs one just the same as a missing thumb, or loss of vision in one eye; the only difference is it's impossible (right now) for an outside observer to view the physical cause of the malady, resulting in ignorant people concluding it must not exist. This is not dissimilar to the anti-bacteria existence/germ existence line of thought that existed in the late 19th century. KelianQatar, people like you suggesting that quack-sociopath-greedy-cult-leaders like Nathaniel Branden can fix anything other than mild depression/mild self-esteem issues are contributing to the stigma that it is within one's power to change oneself, and depression is "all in your mind." The only answer here is for Genna to see a board-certified Psychologist (who will refer her to a Psychiatrist if necessary) or a licensed Psychiatrist. I have zero doubt in my mind that TB is on this already. This post was meant to provide Psych 101 knowledge to anyone who believes in quackery, not medical advice. You make good points, but exaggerating the opposite belief of something that is wrong doesn't make you right. It is biological but still influenced by the person's own brain to a certain extent... its not black and/or white...saying that medication is the ONLY answer is objectively unintelligent. it is not the only answer, and more often than not makes things worse for those who have more control of their brain. edit: and Dr. FantasmicalPay$40ForMyTapesBecomeAMillionaire's line of crap will never really help, ofc. | ||
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BrieFanFiction
United States167 Posts
Nathaniel Branden is a quack and recommending his "services" (which do not even seem to include real-life face-to-face therapy sessions) to someone who is known to have had suicidal ideations is terribly irresponsible. I guess this is the classic case of science vs. new age mysticism. | ||
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KelianQatar
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On August 17 2013 07:34 BrieFanFiction wrote: ....... Dr. FantasmicalPay$40ForMyTapesBecomeAMillionaire's line of crap will do almost nothing to cure a severe chemically-rooted brain disorder. .... You do not know what course of treatment he would recommend, you are just speculating. His focus is on self esteem not personal wealth, I have no idea what you are referring to here. I guess its just a senseless anger rant? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 17 2013 08:28 KelianQatar wrote: You do not know what course of treatment he would recommend, you are just speculating. His focus is on self esteem not personal wealth, I have no idea what you are referring to here. I guess its just a senseless anger rant? If she has been prescribed drugs, she already had a therapist. Doctors generally avoid drug therapy for metal issues. | ||
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docvoc
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On August 17 2013 08:37 Plansix wrote: If she has been prescribed drugs, she already had a therapist. Doctors generally avoid drug therapy for metal issues. Not only is that not true, the statement is a nonsequitur. Having a therapist is not the same as a psychiatrist, and some psychiatrists prescribe depression meds like candy to women because they are a heavy buyer market for them; depression meds make significant bank all around. Many psychiatrists have come to resent this practice and there is a growing group of people who point to the failure of depression meds to show significant clinical results in cases besides extreme depression. That is neither here, nor there. I agree with ETisMe on this one. TB you're not winning me back right now. You've come to the table and your first words are ones that you want to recant? Don't do this. You are a strong orator, I'll never take that away from you, but when it comes to PR, you screwed up dude. It's hard to take you or your brand seriously when your first statement is fuck you and your second is, "oh well, bad idea, I recant that, never happened guys." I understand mental illness, but that doesn't get rid of responsibility, we've seen that in the a couple cases now in E-Sports. TB, you're going to need to do some serious apologizing and maybe even some toning down of your rhetoric in this case, this isn't solved by getting rid of a manager. | ||
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Dr.Sin
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It is easy to take words like "depression" and "stress" out of context, particularly if you are a person who has never experienced this kind of issue or if you have never had to treat someone who has. These kinds of problems are not like having an infection you can treat with antibiotics, these are chronic illnesses that can't be boxed into a single disease because of their manifestation is entirely dependent upon a person's life experience. That Genna persevered in face of this under the constant duress for over a year is nothing short of remarkable and it is profoundly sad for her and for the scene that it has come to this. I am in awe that TB would come out as he has with this speech, that he would be so honest and personal with complete strangers, many of whom can be expected to be hostile and uninterested, regardless of the justification, demonstrates a unique strength of character. Whatever personal dislikes people may have for TB (or Genna or anyone in their position like Take, trying to create something), people should recognize that their attacks don't just harm them, they harm the scene and e-sports when we lose the very people we need to make it grow. | ||
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Aeropunk
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On August 17 2013 08:41 Y wrote: Guys... diagnosing someone over the internet and giving your therapy suggestions is NOT helpful here. It is actually incredibly disrespectful and meddling with private matters. Have some sense of decency and take your discussion elsewhere. Second this, if you want to talk about it privately then do it. This is a public forum, and ironically many people here are doing exactly what they said shouldn't have been done with this whole situation anyway (talking publicly about private issues). Good luck to TB and the team at Axiom! | ||
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Burrfoot
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I say Fox Sports One! lol | ||
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KadaverBB
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If you have the money, please hire like 3 assistants before you go insane man. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
It obviously won't be the end of my life If I have to settle for listening to someone else and watching someone else videos. But you yourself said that you channel is based around consistency not heavily produced videos once a month, I hope you are able to somehow keep consistency up or convince your viewers to stay because as far as I know the team isn't paying for itself. The channel is paying for the team. | ||
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lamprey1
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On August 17 2013 14:32 jax1492 wrote: Serious question, if the team is such a drain on time, money and sanity why keep it running? i would think once it becomes this much of a burden that health is at risk i would think it would be better to shut it down. +1 On August 17 2013 10:55 Aeropunk wrote: Second this, if you want to talk about it privately then do it. This is a public forum, and ironically many people here are doing exactly what they said shouldn't have been done with this whole situation anyway (talking publicly about private issues). Good luck to TB and the team at Axiom! Unfortunately, TB opened the door to that conversation when he discussed in some detail the exact nature of his wife's problems. Probably, should've just stuck to the simple "too much work with a child, family issues, and not enough money to justify my wife's time". The lynching of some random therapist guy is hilarious though. He gets called a "quack" LOL. Random House doesn't publish multiple books by medical "quacks". Of course it does have the word "Rand" right in its name. Tinfoil Hat time guys! THe same guy claims he knows for sure that it'll be "talk therapy". We've got speculation based upon speculation. Good Luck To Axiom In The WCS, I'd love to see an Axiom guy at Blizzcon! My profile has said for a while now that "Axiom Gaming" is my favourite team. But, the icon disappeared? What is going on? | ||
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Penev
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I'd like to re-answer a post you made in the GLHF blog. You asked that you would like to know why it was ok for Take to be emotional but not for you and Genna. Now, I have no idea if you're ever going to read this or even care if you do but after I, together with many other anonymous, consuming only, community members answered your question, it kinda got stuck in my mind. Although I'm silly enough to post on these forums, I'm not one of the morons that think that they know someone, just by viewing video's, commentaries and reading blogs. I'm sometimes not agreeing with things that you say but I actually disagree with a lot of people, people I call family and friends, all the time. There is not one reason for me to think that you're not a nice person. In fact, the only information available to me suggests quite the opposite. Your question was never meant to be answered so I won't. I just wish you and your better half the best. I'm being selfish here, because that means great content and a great team to watch for me. | ||
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Misanthrope
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On August 16 2013 23:45 MuMeise wrote: but... to be honest... you behave like a child all the way. You have no clue on how to run a business that is pretty clear on hearing your last few words which are clearly directed at take tv. Yeah he has 1.16m subs on Youtube and is a figurehead in one of the largest networks, so I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. His wife is distraught due to stress. He has massive amounts of stress about his own business. Think about being in that zone, and then watching your wife reach a true breaking point. How do you think you would act in that situation when you felt like on top of all of this your family was being attacked? People have zero compassion. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On August 17 2013 23:46 lamprey1 wrote: My profile has said for a while now that "Axiom Gaming" is my favourite team. But, the icon disappeared? What is going on? Team icons don't show up for blog posts (and other areas of the forum as well.) | ||
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On August 17 2013 03:15 snively wrote: good luck man. ignore the haters! They arn't haters, they are vocally opinionated. | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
It's a shame that Genna had to quit. I hope she'll find the rest she'll need from the constant stress associated with that position and that Axiom will keep on going on. | ||
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Murlox
France1699 Posts
Also I find your videos insightful and your style entertaining. I have a reserve concerning your live performances (as a SC2 caster mostly)... I don't know if you're still doing that, but there is room for improvement im(respectful)ho. Btw, I heard about what you did for the youtuber Milbee, and yeah, my hat to you for that, too. Wishing you the heart and luck needed to pursue your endeavours. | ||
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jagtress
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You're a great caster and the podcast is fantastic. I support you in your decision to take over manager | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On August 18 2013 07:12 Misanthrope wrote: Yeah he has 1.16m subs on Youtube and is a figurehead. Please don't quote youtube subscriber numbers as if it proves anything, TB knows about PewDiePie. Popularity =/= Quality and TB is trying to get away from rabid fanboyism. | ||
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Targe
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Edit: Sorry I'm late to the party, no internet and stuff. | ||
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