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On August 16 2013 13:15 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either. Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action. Is this the first time you got threatened with legal action? My mom deals with that daily at her work with clients. Grow up. I got threatened with legal action and racism a couple days ago. You know what I did? I played it cool, stayed calm, and finished my transaction with the buyer.
News just in, eSports is not the same as working at a supermarket.
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Holy damn, sorry to hear it ended up this way. Best of luck to you and the team, Genna.
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On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either. Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.
Professionalism- Posting chat logs that state that the individual does not want chat logs made public.
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On August 16 2013 13:13 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:10 chaos021 wrote:
What the actual fuck? Why did this escalate at all? Can anyone please explain this? cuz.... TB is being TB, as usual. That's my guess anyway.
Uh... no. Everything was nice and settled, and then Take threatened to sue Axiom for posting chat logs which made him look like a wonderful human being. Genna has undergone ordeals throughout the past year that generate the kind of stress most people couldn't endure. No doubt this last incident was the straw that broke the camel's back.
edit: It's actually kind of eerie how the notion that Take was directly threatening to sue Axiom managed to slip into my subconscious. Also interesting. I love a good opportunity for interesting introspection.
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On August 16 2013 13:17 mrRoflpwn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either. Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action. Was there any legal basis? I'm sure there was as you are pretty reasonable, but still, she shouldnt let someone else destroy all her hardwork so easily.
Dude if you even knew a fraction of all of the stuff she's had to deal with, you wouldn't be saying that and I doubt anyone in this thread that wasn't just a troll would. She's had enough and I don't blame her.
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On August 16 2013 13:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:15 geokilla wrote:On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either. Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action. Is this the first time you got threatened with legal action? My mom deals with that daily at her work with clients. Grow up. I got threatened with legal action and racism a couple days ago. You know what I did? I played it cool, stayed calm, and finished my transaction with the buyer. News just in, eSports is not the same as working at a supermarket.
i heard there are actual human people involved in both
seriously, this is all totally ridiculous, i feel like we are about to email EG's sponsors
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TB's reaction to someone threatening to legally pursue his wife is absolutely justified. What would you do - NOT support the women you love and is married to? Come on...
Despite whatever may be the issue you have to realize that threatening with a lawsuit is a 100% sure way to make enemies. If you expect otherwise then you're not very bright.
I like transparency and I have no doubt that there is a lot of immature childish shit going on in e-sports. We can probably find a lot of other profiled people who share that opinion.
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On August 16 2013 13:19 F4ble wrote:
TB's reaction to someone threatening to legally pursue his wife is absolutely justified. What would you do - NOT support the women you love and is married to? Come on...
Despite whatever may be the issue you have to realize that threatening with a lawsuit is a 100% sure way to make enemies. If you expect otherwise then you're not very bright.
I like transparency and I have no doubt that there is a lot of immature childish shit going on in e-sports. We can probably find a lot of other profiled people who share that opinion.
Since when is wishing threatening?
edit to clarify: He even said he only wishes that it was punishable.
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On August 16 2013 13:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 12:58 Joedaddy wrote:
Pretty shitty move when you make what one presumed to be a private conversation public. Even if you didn't think it was a big deal, Dennis obviously did. Fuck Dennis. If he wasn't so concerned about saving face rather than being honest with everybody about his mismanaged tournament then some of this might not have happened. When you say "I hope there are legal consequences for what you've done" all bets are off, I lose any respect I've had for you. I hope Take enjoyed the free casting and the numbers, I'll never deal with him and his organisation ever again.
I have to agree with that sentiment. Maybe that first blog post was not entirely thought through (directly quoting private conversations instead of paraphrasing or summarizing). It's a small mistake, Genna could have reached out to Acer directly if she felt the need to apologize after Take points out that some feathers are ruffled. I'm sure Axiom has a pretty decent relationship with Acer.
Take is taking it over the top with the legal threats, I'm rather disgusted. Regardless, it sounds like if it wasn't this bullshit, the next one would have been the straw that broke the camel's back. All the best to Genna.
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I can't believe TaKe said that. He looked like such a good guy till then.
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Wait what. Why is she retiring?
And Take is obnoxious anyway.
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On August 16 2013 13:18 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:13 Joedaddy wrote:On August 16 2013 13:10 chaos021 wrote:
What the actual fuck? Why did this escalate at all? Can anyone please explain this? cuz.... TB is being TB, as usual. That's my guess anyway. Uh... no. Everything was nice and settled, and then Take threatened to sue Axiom for posting chat logs which made him look like a wonderful human being. Genna has undergone ordeals throughout the past year that generate the kind of stress most people couldn't endure. No doubt this last incident was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Where is the exact threat? I see a wishfull-angry guy that even uses a "?" wish surely indicates that he has no real clue about the law situation. I would take it seriously if i get a paper in my mail.
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I'm not sure I understand why you're retiring. Because of something stupid someone said in a private chat about something stupid?
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Definitely wasn't expecting this at all. Good luck, Genna. I love what you've done with Axiom, and I can't wait to see the team continue 
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small event... big drama! ESPORTS!
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On August 16 2013 13:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You know why this scene is such a mess? Because it's riddled with incompetence and dishonesty. Gennas first duty was to the team, that means damage control, that means showing our side of the story and that means minimizing how slammed we got because the statement that was put out threw Axiom under the boss while saving face for ATC, regardless of poor communication and mismanagement that event suffered.
I agree, but I feel like she didn't need to post the chat logs to achieve this end, she could have told the story without giving out the logs, or at the very least asked Take if she could post them.
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Geez, I really don't get why Take freaked out like that, sounded pretty ridiculous.
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hope for the best, whatever that is, I guess
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On August 16 2013 13:19 Thrax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 16 2013 12:58 Joedaddy wrote:
Pretty shitty move when you make what one presumed to be a private conversation public. Even if you didn't think it was a big deal, Dennis obviously did. Fuck Dennis. If he wasn't so concerned about saving face rather than being honest with everybody about his mismanaged tournament then some of this might not have happened. When you say "I hope there are legal consequences for what you've done" all bets are off, I lose any respect I've had for you. I hope Take enjoyed the free casting and the numbers, I'll never deal with him and his organisation ever again. I have to agree with that sentiment. Maybe that first blog post was not entirely thought through (directly quoting private conversations instead of paraphrasing or summarizing). It's a small mistake, Genna could have reached out to Acer directly if she felt the need to apologize after Take points out that some feathers are ruffled. I'm sure Axiom has a pretty decent relationship with Acer. Take is taking it over the top with the legal threats, I'm rather disgusted. Regardless, it sounds like if it wasn't this bullshit, the next one would have been the straw that broke the camel's back. All the best to Genna.
Genna had already talked about all of this with Acer, we maintain a good relationship with them and they were not in fact pissed off that we posted that stuff at all. Acer would have no doubt done exactly the same thing if they had come under fire. The first duty of a team manager is to protect their team, not protect 3rd parties. We learned that when we tried to do what was right for Demuslim and Sasquatch in WCS after MLGs admin fucked up and were crucified for that as well.
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