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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
August 16 2013 04:28 GMT
#121
Thanks for everything you have done Genna. You'll still be around the scene I hope. As for you TB keep up the great work and lets not change too much about the Axiom most have come to love.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
August 16 2013 04:28 GMT
#122
On August 16 2013 13:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:15 geokilla wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either.


Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.

Is this the first time you got threatened with legal action? My mom deals with that daily at her work with clients. Grow up. I got threatened with legal action and racism a couple days ago. You know what I did? I played it cool, stayed calm, and finished my transaction with the buyer.


News just in, eSports is not the same as working at a supermarket.

That was pretty rude
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 16 2013 04:29 GMT
#123
On August 16 2013 13:27 DusTerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:18 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:13 Joedaddy wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 chaos021 wrote:
What the actual fuck? Why did this escalate at all? Can anyone please explain this?


cuz.... TB is being TB, as usual. That's my guess anyway.


Uh... no. Everything was nice and settled, and then Take threatened to sue Axiom for posting chat logs which made him look like a wonderful human being. Genna has undergone ordeals throughout the past year that generate the kind of stress most people couldn't endure. No doubt this last incident was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Things obviously were not settled if Genna's previous blog revealed information that got TaKe in trouble with either the main tournament sponsor (Acer) or other teams...


Well, since Axiom and Acer seem to be on completely fine terms, that sounds like TaKe's issue.
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steff
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom40 Posts
August 16 2013 04:29 GMT
#124
On August 16 2013 13:25 BroOd wrote:
I think I should open an esports PR firm. 90% of this scene needs PR coaching.


90% of this scene forget they exist in the real world and think that having x amount of "fans" gives you license do what whatever you want and react however you want.

I wonder when TB will start threatening to get his fans to beat people up this time ? but its ok because hes does so much for the community AM I RITE ?

hail to the king baby
ifyx
Profile Joined January 2012
Norway5 Posts
August 16 2013 04:29 GMT
#125
tb with the drama what else is new.
Hope take doesnt take to much dmg from it cause he have done soooooo much for sc2
pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
August 16 2013 04:30 GMT
#126
I think it's fair to think Take came off as a dick in this situation

but he is completely fair in being this angry too. Look the whole blog post previous to this Genna only took very partial blame for this while posting many paragraphs and reasoning on why it is Take's teams fault

Not knowing the details of travel expenses is a HUGE oversight and creating a blog post, essentially, damage controlling it would be extremely angering if I was take

It's not all completely her fault but the fact that she mad e apost with private messages to damage control her huge mistake justifies Take's anger IMO
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15489 Posts
August 16 2013 04:30 GMT
#127
On August 16 2013 13:28 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:15 geokilla wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either.


Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.

Is this the first time you got threatened with legal action? My mom deals with that daily at her work with clients. Grow up. I got threatened with legal action and racism a couple days ago. You know what I did? I played it cool, stayed calm, and finished my transaction with the buyer.


News just in, eSports is not the same as working at a supermarket.

That was pretty rude


There's usually the hour or so of rude replies after TB gets mad about something. Its nature running its course.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
August 16 2013 04:30 GMT
#128
On August 16 2013 13:24 iCpryde wrote:
Jenna I am not sure why you are stepping down for something this minimal, you are fantastic as the owner of Axiom but as an owner you will have people who want to throw hard balls at you and try to create inside drama that you don't want to have to deal with but have to. This is one of those things, did TaKe say this conversation is confidential and in no way can be discussed outside of the 2 of you? I really doubt he did as it would be in the transcript, seems he is over reacting and this is one of those things you try to smooth over in time.

As an owner you will deal with this type of stuff more often you have to not take things as personal and be tough, TB is a perfect example of this and I would think he would have a strong opinion on the situation which I am sure you both discussed before making this decision.

I feel like more is not being discussed because you can't be sued for a skype chat.

I wish you the best but I honestly see Axiom hitting some hard roads ahead as TB already has way to much on his plate.


Genna has had to deal with quite a few challenges in her job as a team manager. Off the top of my head: broken bone that basically disabled her for a few months, getting thousands of dollars stolen by a travel agency and having to deal with the related budget issues, raising a kid(!) and managing the logistics of running several people around the world with tight deadlines for their arrival. A lot of these things were going on at the same time, by the way, and Genna was doing this solo until recently.
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F4ble
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway73 Posts
August 16 2013 04:30 GMT
#129
On August 16 2013 13:19 Cite wrote:
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On August 16 2013 13:19 F4ble wrote:
TB's reaction to someone threatening to legally pursue his wife is absolutely justified. What would you do - NOT support the women you love and is married to? Come on...

Despite whatever may be the issue you have to realize that threatening with a lawsuit is a 100% sure way to make enemies. If you expect otherwise then you're not very bright.

I like transparency and I have no doubt that there is a lot of immature childish shit going on in e-sports. We can probably find a lot of other profiled people who share that opinion.


Since when is wishing threatening?

edit to clarify: He even said he only wishes that it was punishable.


[6:51:33 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: actually i hope that by law
[6:51:40 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: this is something you can get punnished for?

He is really saying that IF it is punishable by law that he WANTS to pursue that course of action. I think that constitutes a threat.

Whether he was justified or not is an entirely different matter - I'm not arguing that. My point is that making such a statement is a 100% certain way to make enemies. So for anyone bashing on TB for defending his wife can take a long walk off a short bridge - because you wouldn't have tolerated it either.


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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 16 2013 04:31 GMT
#130
On August 16 2013 13:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
I think it's fair to think Take came off as a dick in this situation

but he is completely fair in being this angry too. Look the whole blog post previous to this Genna only took very partial blame for this while posting many paragraphs and reasoning on why it is Take's teams fault

Not knowing the details of travel expenses is a HUGE oversight and creating a blog post, essentially, damage controlling it would be extremely angering if I was take

It's not all completely her fault but the fact that she mad e apost with private messages to damage control her huge mistake justifies Take's anger IMO


She definitely took only partial blame. That's true. She shouldn't take complete blame because it wasn't solely her fault.
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chaos021
Profile Joined March 2012
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 04:32:37
August 16 2013 04:31 GMT
#131
On August 16 2013 13:13 Joedaddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:10 chaos021 wrote:
What the actual fuck? Why did this escalate at all? Can anyone please explain this?


cuz.... TB is being TB, as usual. That's my guess anyway.


None of this actually makes sense. Genna put up a blog basically showing how awesome TakeTV and Acer were trying to be about a bad situation. Then TakeTV's Dennis blows up about personal chat logs being posted that look like good publicity?!?? And he's actually hoping to pursue some sort of legal action? Am I understanding this shit correctly???

We're all up in arms over trivial bullshit. It's as if TakeTV wants to do some TL-style lynching themselves.

If I could get away with punching assholes in the throat right now, I'd already be on a flight to Germany.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44076 Posts
August 16 2013 04:32 GMT
#132
On August 16 2013 13:28 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:15 geokilla wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either.


Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.

Is this the first time you got threatened with legal action? My mom deals with that daily at her work with clients. Grow up. I got threatened with legal action and racism a couple days ago. You know what I did? I played it cool, stayed calm, and finished my transaction with the buyer.


News just in, eSports is not the same as working at a supermarket.

That was pretty rude


And ignorant as well, considering geokilla works in a real estate law firm lol. But TB's in rant-mode x.x

Regardless of who was right or wrong (Genna or Take... surely neither of them was perfect), I think the Axiom players are going to be the ones who suffer the most. Hopefully TB will act in a professional manner with whatever other managers, owners, and players he needs to deal with.

Best of luck to Genna.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 04:33:49
August 16 2013 04:32 GMT
#133
On August 16 2013 13:24 ptbl wrote:
Wow, I thought you at least notified or moreover got permission from Dennis to post the private conversations you had with the taketv admins/crew. It's professional courtesy let alone etiquette not to air private behind the scenes matter to the public without the other parties agreement.

Genna, I think you screwed up.

Doesn't matter at all. They cleared it with Acer and needed to defend their team's actions - the conversation made Take look good even!

The fact that he made these statements to Genna is ridiculous and the community will rightly jump on him for it.

On August 16 2013 13:31 chaos021 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:13 Joedaddy wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 chaos021 wrote:
What the actual fuck? Why did this escalate at all? Can anyone please explain this?


cuz.... TB is being TB, as usual. That's my guess anyway.


None of this actually makes sense. Genna put up a blog basically showing how awesome TakeTV and Acer were trying to be about a bad situation. Then TakeTV's Dennis blows up about personal chat logs being posted that look like good publicity?!?? And he's actually hoping to pursue some sort of legal action? Am I understanding this shit correctly???

We're all up in arms over trivial bullshit. It's as if TakeTV wants to do some TL-style lynching themselves.


Agreed. Take needs to make his own blog and publicly apologize.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 16 2013 04:33 GMT
#134
On August 16 2013 13:30 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:24 iCpryde wrote:
Jenna I am not sure why you are stepping down for something this minimal, you are fantastic as the owner of Axiom but as an owner you will have people who want to throw hard balls at you and try to create inside drama that you don't want to have to deal with but have to. This is one of those things, did TaKe say this conversation is confidential and in no way can be discussed outside of the 2 of you? I really doubt he did as it would be in the transcript, seems he is over reacting and this is one of those things you try to smooth over in time.

As an owner you will deal with this type of stuff more often you have to not take things as personal and be tough, TB is a perfect example of this and I would think he would have a strong opinion on the situation which I am sure you both discussed before making this decision.

I feel like more is not being discussed because you can't be sued for a skype chat.

I wish you the best but I honestly see Axiom hitting some hard roads ahead as TB already has way to much on his plate.


Genna has had to deal with quite a few challenges in her job as a team manager. Off the top of my head: broken bone that basically disabled her for a few months, getting thousands of dollars stolen by a travel agency and having to deal with the related budget issues, raising a kid(!) and managing the logistics of running several people around the world with tight deadlines for their arrival. A lot of these things were going on at the same time, by the way, and Genna was doing this solo until recently.


Don't forget WCS happening, with the associated budget things there.
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skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
August 16 2013 04:33 GMT
#135
Dont make private conversations public, it cant be that hard to understand, sorry and goodbye. Goodluck
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
August 16 2013 04:33 GMT
#136
On August 16 2013 13:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:15 geokilla wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either.


Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.

Is this the first time you got threatened with legal action? My mom deals with that daily at her work with clients. Grow up. I got threatened with legal action and racism a couple days ago. You know what I did? I played it cool, stayed calm, and finished my transaction with the buyer.


News just in, eSports is not the same as working at a supermarket.


TB I just want to say you are very un-self aware in the awesomest way. Thank you.
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pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
August 16 2013 04:33 GMT
#137
On August 16 2013 13:31 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:30 pbjsandwich wrote:
I think it's fair to think Take came off as a dick in this situation

but he is completely fair in being this angry too. Look the whole blog post previous to this Genna only took very partial blame for this while posting many paragraphs and reasoning on why it is Take's teams fault

Not knowing the details of travel expenses is a HUGE oversight and creating a blog post, essentially, damage controlling it would be extremely angering if I was take

It's not all completely her fault but the fact that she mad e apost with private messages to damage control her huge mistake justifies Take's anger IMO


She definitely took only partial blame. That's true. She shouldn't take complete blame because it wasn't solely her fault.

I do agree with that

but to not get complete confirmation for the travel? That is the most expensive part and if you haven't figured that out until a week before the event?

What are you doing????
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
August 16 2013 04:34 GMT
#138
On August 16 2013 13:29 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:27 DusTerr wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:18 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:13 Joedaddy wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 chaos021 wrote:
What the actual fuck? Why did this escalate at all? Can anyone please explain this?


cuz.... TB is being TB, as usual. That's my guess anyway.


Uh... no. Everything was nice and settled, and then Take threatened to sue Axiom for posting chat logs which made him look like a wonderful human being. Genna has undergone ordeals throughout the past year that generate the kind of stress most people couldn't endure. No doubt this last incident was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Things obviously were not settled if Genna's previous blog revealed information that got TaKe in trouble with either the main tournament sponsor (Acer) or other teams...


Well, since Axiom and Acer seem to be on completely fine terms, that sounds like TaKe's issue.

That's probably why he's upset...
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 04:36:35
August 16 2013 04:34 GMT
#139
On August 16 2013 13:33 skatblast wrote:
Dont make private conversations public, it cant be that hard to understand, sorry and goodbye. Goodluck

She made the post to clear her teams name NO one except Take was hurt for whatever reason. He had no reason to be hurt. I can't believe you can instantly remove all personal barriers and say "I wish i could sue you" I can understand being slightly angry but c'mon man saying you wanna sue someone is serious business.
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ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 16 2013 04:35 GMT
#140
Take has the right to be angry. He is the "injured" party. It wasn't take who revealed the private conversations without the other parties consent nor notification.
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