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Personal insult is not 'discussion' and will be moderated. -Pg 36
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
August 16 2013 04:22 GMT
#101
I also just wanna wish TBgood luck because he has a channel to run but now also a full team to manage. That must be very difficult but if anyone could do it, it's probably you. Good luck.
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
dogmode
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Philippines491 Posts
August 16 2013 04:22 GMT
#102
this seems silly and I don't think Take has any legal basis for any action.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - KuroKy
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
August 16 2013 04:23 GMT
#103
I hope TaKe apologies to Genna
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 04:24:05
August 16 2013 04:23 GMT
#104
The information revealed in those chat logs does not constitute a strong case for defamation or violation of privacy law. Perhaps it would be serious if a contract was drawn up between both parties clearly forbidding public disclosure of any conversation between said parties. Otherwise any faint hint of legal action is just bullshit.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 16 2013 04:23 GMT
#105
On August 16 2013 13:21 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:
You know why this scene is such a mess? Because it's riddled with incompetence and dishonesty. Gennas first duty was to the team, that means damage control, that means showing our side of the story and that means minimizing how slammed we got because the statement that was put out threw Axiom under the boss while saving face for ATC, regardless of poor communication and mismanagement that event suffered.


I agree, but I feel like she didn't need to post the chat logs to achieve this end, she could have told the story without giving out the logs, or at the very least asked Take if she could post them.


Wait. If TaKe is the proverbial straw, since that seems to be the metaphor of choice, why would she talk to him first?
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 16 2013 04:24 GMT
#106
Wow, I thought you at least notified or moreover got permission from Dennis to post the private conversations you had with the taketv admins/crew. It's professional courtesy let alone etiquette not to air private behind the scenes matter to the public without the other parties agreement.

Genna, I think you screwed up.
Don't mind me
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15489 Posts
August 16 2013 04:24 GMT
#107
Looks like this backfired on Take pretty hard lol. Genna and TB don't need esports. They do JUST fine without it. Trying to go after someone so aggressively when you have more to lose than they do is fucking retarded.
Enhancer_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada320 Posts
August 16 2013 04:24 GMT
#108
On August 16 2013 13:19 Cite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:19 F4ble wrote:
TB's reaction to someone threatening to legally pursue his wife is absolutely justified. What would you do - NOT support the women you love and is married to? Come on...

Despite whatever may be the issue you have to realize that threatening with a lawsuit is a 100% sure way to make enemies. If you expect otherwise then you're not very bright.

I like transparency and I have no doubt that there is a lot of immature childish shit going on in e-sports. We can probably find a lot of other profiled people who share that opinion.


Since when is wishing threatening?

edit to clarify: He even said he only wishes that it was punishable.

If someone told you they wished you weren't alive, you wouldn't take that as aggression?
steff
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom40 Posts
August 16 2013 04:24 GMT
#109
Being unprofessional and saying you're "lifting the veil of e-sports" still means you're unprofessional.

Also as if she WONT be still running things its a massive drama whore/ego trip and a way to punish Take a guy who has done an incredible amount off his own back for this community over a private disagreement.

The reason these things stay private is because they should be between the parties interested just because you can muster more fans and angry reddit pals doesn't make you more right and posting private conversations on a public blog is pretty disgusting.

Its pretty fun watching you get a good chunk of power in this community for you and now your wife so you can just abuse it at your whim to bandwagon against a guy who has been nothing but solid in this community.

hail to the king baby
iCpryde
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada12 Posts
August 16 2013 04:24 GMT
#110
Jenna I am not sure why you are stepping down for something this minimal, you are fantastic as the owner of Axiom but as an owner you will have people who want to throw hard balls at you and try to create inside drama that you don't want to have to deal with but have to. This is one of those things, did TaKe say this conversation is confidential and in no way can be discussed outside of the 2 of you? I really doubt he did as it would be in the transcript, seems he is over reacting and this is one of those things you try to smooth over in time.

As an owner you will deal with this type of stuff more often you have to not take things as personal and be tough, TB is a perfect example of this and I would think he would have a strong opinion on the situation which I am sure you both discussed before making this decision.

I feel like more is not being discussed because you can't be sued for a skype chat.

I wish you the best but I honestly see Axiom hitting some hard roads ahead as TB already has way to much on his plate.
To the one and only legend SlayerSBoxer
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
August 16 2013 04:25 GMT
#111
I think I should open an esports PR firm. 90% of this scene needs PR coaching.
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
August 16 2013 04:25 GMT
#112
On August 16 2013 13:13 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:07 geokilla wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:06 Finrod1 wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 12:58 Joedaddy wrote:
Pretty shitty move when you make what one presumed to be a private conversation public. Even if you didn't think it was a big deal, Dennis obviously did.


Fuck Dennis. If he wasn't so concerned about saving face rather than being honest with everybody about his mismanaged tournament then some of this might not have happened. When you say "I hope there are legal consequences for what you've done" all bets are off, I lose any respect I've had for you. I hope Take enjoyed the free casting and the numbers, I'll never deal with him and his organisation ever again.


Oh that is so mature TB. I really agree witht you on most topics but you can't see that everyone made a mistake in this situation? You just trying to shitstorm him now... "classy".
To post privat discussion openly in a forum is a big no-no even if you don't want to see it his way. The lawbullshit by take it obviously just angryman talking and not smart either.
So everyone looses.

He's always causing shit storms.

On August 16 2013 13:07 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:06 askmc70 wrote:
what did take do?


Read Genna's previous blog for the backstory.

A TL;DR version is required... her blog is so long. Hopefully I'll remember to read it over the weekend. Then my opinion will change. But for now.. :S


So the TLDR version is this. Axiom committed to the ATC, but there were some communication issues regarding travel support. Axiom's budget couldn't support flying Axiom to the event due to WCS expenses, and the money provided by Acer wasn't enough to make up the difference. TaKe stepped in to try to find more money from Acer to help teams attend but wasn't able to make it work for Axiom.

Genna posted all of this in a blog, supported with emails and Skype logs between Axiom management and people involved with the ATC. TaKe, apparently, took offense at that and threatened legal action.


Yeah before the legal action, I wouldn't have had an opinion. The legal action, otoh, just rubs me the wrong way. I feel like there's more than was included in the length blog post. Despite the posted logs, I imagine there's still more we aren't privy too.
With no power comes no responsibility?
absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
August 16 2013 04:25 GMT
#113
On August 16 2013 13:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 12:58 Joedaddy wrote:
Pretty shitty move when you make what one presumed to be a private conversation public. Even if you didn't think it was a big deal, Dennis obviously did.


Fuck Dennis. If he wasn't so concerned about saving face rather than being honest with everybody about his mismanaged tournament then some of this might not have happened. When you say "I hope there are legal consequences for what you've done" all bets are off, I lose any respect I've had for you. I hope Take enjoyed the free casting and the numbers, I'll never deal with him and his organisation ever again.


Oh boy. I think you and your girlfriend need a lesson in public communication. Even if you feel this way, You should exercise some restraint in how you convey your thoughts, not that this is anything new from you. Take has done nothing but awesome things for the community, and now you and your girlfriend are both blowing things out of proportion, as well as dragging other parties through the mud to try save face.
Thief @ #teamliquid @ Quakenet
Sufinsil
Profile Joined January 2011
United States760 Posts
August 16 2013 04:26 GMT
#114
Her previous post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=425572

For those that came in here from the Spotlight.

Best of luck and hope you continue to contribute to the eSports scene in other ways that you are passionate about.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
August 16 2013 04:26 GMT
#115
Sad to see you go. Thank you for what you've done with Axiom, and what you've done for the guys. GLHF with everything in your future.
Long live the King of Wings
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 04:28:51
August 16 2013 04:27 GMT
#116
What is the point of this blog? I think the mature course of action would be to quietly pass off the responsibility and do as you please if you want out. Whether you were treated unfairly or not, this is not the professional and adult way to do things. It feels like a manifestation of ego - trying to get attention as you go. That's not to say the post isn't 500x more mature than what most people here would do in your position. It's not bad - it just seems unnecessary and tending more towards creating drama than keeping the best interests of everyone involved in mind.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that even though this blog isn't atrocious, it's not ideal.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
August 16 2013 04:27 GMT
#117
On August 16 2013 13:25 absalom86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 12:58 Joedaddy wrote:
Pretty shitty move when you make what one presumed to be a private conversation public. Even if you didn't think it was a big deal, Dennis obviously did.


Fuck Dennis. If he wasn't so concerned about saving face rather than being honest with everybody about his mismanaged tournament then some of this might not have happened. When you say "I hope there are legal consequences for what you've done" all bets are off, I lose any respect I've had for you. I hope Take enjoyed the free casting and the numbers, I'll never deal with him and his organisation ever again.


Oh boy. I think you and your girlfriend need a lesson in public communication. Even if you feel this way, You should exercise some restraint in how you convey your thoughts, not that this is anything new from you. Take has done nothing but awesome things for the community, and now you and your girlfriend are both blowing things out of proportion, as well as dragging other parties through the mud to try save face.


You have literally no clue what you're talking about. Please read the source material before commenting.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 04:27:55
August 16 2013 04:27 GMT
#118
On August 16 2013 13:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:15 geokilla wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either.


Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.

Is this the first time you got threatened with legal action? My mom deals with that daily at her work with clients. Grow up. I got threatened with legal action and racism a couple days ago. You know what I did? I played it cool, stayed calm, and finished my transaction with the buyer.


News just in, eSports is not the same as working at a supermarket.

Apparently working in a real estate law firm is the same as working at a supermarket. Hmm.... Last I checked my common sense, real estate is much larger than e-sports.
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
August 16 2013 04:27 GMT
#119
On August 16 2013 13:18 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:13 Joedaddy wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 chaos021 wrote:
What the actual fuck? Why did this escalate at all? Can anyone please explain this?


cuz.... TB is being TB, as usual. That's my guess anyway.


Uh... no. Everything was nice and settled, and then Take threatened to sue Axiom for posting chat logs which made him look like a wonderful human being. Genna has undergone ordeals throughout the past year that generate the kind of stress most people couldn't endure. No doubt this last incident was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Things obviously were not settled if Genna's previous blog revealed information that got TaKe in trouble with either the main tournament sponsor (Acer) or other teams...
Betelgeuse
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada210 Posts
August 16 2013 04:28 GMT
#120
On August 16 2013 13:25 BroOd wrote:
I think I should open an esports PR firm. 90% of this scene needs PR coaching.

May as well start counting the truck loads of money now. Though if everyone had some PR there wouldn't be enough drama to fill /r/starcraft anymore
Through victory, my chains are broken.
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