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This is a heated issue, but please keep the debate civil.
Personal insult is not 'discussion' and will be moderated. -Pg 36
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 18:56:38
August 16 2013 18:55 GMT
#721
We need Dr. Phil in here to have all parties sit down and hug it out! I wonder if this has hit the korean forums yet and will jessica chime in? She was quite critical of genna/tb on twitter when axiom was formed. Having her say something would just be the icing on this drama filled cake, lol!
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radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 19:01:09
August 16 2013 19:00 GMT
#722
They all need to sit down together and play a friendly game of Starcraft

edit: And a pizza party afterwards. Biscuit can bring the cake, and Take can bring the pizza.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 16 2013 19:21 GMT
#723
--- Nuked ---
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
August 16 2013 19:30 GMT
#724
Massive overreaction in my eyes. "I hope that by law this is something you can get punished for" is hardly "threatening legal action". Especially when, as is widely known, Dennis' grasp of the English language is far from perfect.

Now I completely understand that a minor misunderstanding like this can be the straw that breaks the camels back, especially when someones health is compromised. So all in all I think this might be for the best, Genna can get some well deserved rest and or help. Good luck to everyone involved.
11 years and counting- TL #680
KuKri
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany168 Posts
August 16 2013 19:35 GMT
#725
TB getting more attention than proleague finals.
Kerence
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1817 Posts
August 16 2013 19:52 GMT
#726
Well that's unfortunate. I always liked how Intricacy handled things.
Don't agree with publishing chat-logs without asking though, I'd be pissed about that too even if it was nothing negative (although talking about legal action was a bit over the top).

Too bad it came to this seeing as this whole thing seems to be mostly a misunderstanding/miscommunication on both sides (even if the stepping down was due to other factors as well).

GL HF yourself, and hopefully it will be less stressful now, not having to deal with daily team affairs on top of all the rest.
I am here in the shadows.
Vallros
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark64 Posts
August 16 2013 20:16 GMT
#727
I don't really want to side with anyone here and i still really appreciate both Genna and TaKe, but it really seems like TaKe is in the right here.
Calm like a bomb
elfetido
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany6 Posts
August 16 2013 20:20 GMT
#728
In Germany you have to inform your chat partner your messenger creates log files. Also privacy and privacy protection is a much more important thing to the German people than anywhere else in the world, I guess. It's one of the most important things though. You are not allowed to share your private conversations with someone else without letting the other party know.

Well - I am pumped for the ATC finals. It's going to be awesome!
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 20:21:41
August 16 2013 20:20 GMT
#729
This has happened to StarLadder in dota2 like 3 seasons in a row and nobody quits, gets in forum wars, posts private emails or makes countless posts and threads about it. Starladder just doesn't invite the teams that fail to show-up to the lan finals next year and everyone goes about their business.

This whole situation and the reactions from everyone (people directly involved and the community) is why SC2 is silly. I think the Beiber community has less mindless drama than SC2 and I'd wager it's mostly 12-15 year old girls.
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Consummate
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia191 Posts
August 16 2013 20:22 GMT
#730
To be completely honest, I am disgusted by Genna's behaviour.

The whole Axiom dropping out of the ATC should have simply been a statement from Axiom saying something like:

"We incorrectly assumed that travelling costs would be $1500 per person instead of per team, we should have had further inquiries into the travelling finances but we mistakenly didn't and because of this we are forced to withdraw from the tournament due to budget concerns. We apologise to fans and the organisers of the event but we hope you all understand our situation."

Instead, we now get a thread by Genna taking subtle stabs at TaKe and what was clearly a communication error with what TaKe said because he isn't the greatest at English. I am quite sure what TaKe meant was "what you did was wrong and you can get in trouble for it", it wasn't a legal threat. But just to tarnish his reputation she decided to include it in this thread. Congratulations on making TaKe look bad, you're an incredible person.

I also love how this whole parting with Axiom blogpost is a "look how great I was for my team, I am so fucking amazing! Axiom is a great team and now TaKe just ruined it" Or at least, that is what I inferred from reading it several times over.

As much as I like the Axiom team in terms of their player roster, I can not like their (former) management for pulling crap like this.
lol
BreakfastTea
Profile Joined May 2011
United States184 Posts
August 16 2013 20:27 GMT
#731
Jesus, the childish displays in the SC2 scene are just staggering. I typically only watch the tournaments, day9, etc, but it seems like every time I poke my head into the forum ("Oh, I wonder what type of new strategy guides there are") there is always a shitstorm.

Bluntly, I believe the reason SC2 isn't ever going to become really huge is because any reputable business person wants to stay as far away from this fucking nightmare as possible. There is little money to be made (partly because businesses are probably too spooked to invest), and what little money there is is extremely risky to reach for, because you have to deal with God knows what kind of PR issues--the antics that are the daily reality in this scene would get you fired immediately in any other industry. This scene lacks respectability.

I wonder what would happen if teams were to hire professional, trained managers and PR people to clean up the scene. Yeah, you would lose the "nerd with a dream starts his own cast/stream/team" element, but I think that would be a small price to pay if the daily landmines planted for businesses to avoid were cleared out and they could invest without fear that some caster or player receiving their funds is going to explode into some extreme diatribe that paints that company in a bad light.
Don't take me seriously, I'm no Pro. Neither are you.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
August 16 2013 20:32 GMT
#732
TotalJessica

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Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
August 16 2013 21:23 GMT
#733
So after reading the entire thread and listening to TB's soundcloud the one thing that boggles me the most, is why on earth Genna decided to announce Axioms withdrawal from ATC and her own departure from Axiom. If the problems caused by misunderstandings between Genna and Take was indeed merely the last straw, these two seperate matters has nothing to do with one another. Imagine how much bullshit that could have been avoided if Axioms withdrawal from ATC had been announced and explained by a spokesperson from Axiom and not Genna herself, and if Gennas retirement had been announced next week in a seperate thread.

Of course nothing is easier than being a wise guy after the dust has settled, but i really hope that people is going to learn from this matter. Getting emotionally involved in this case was quite possibly the most stupid thing that Genna and TB could have done. Hopefully this will set an example for future disputes.

Also i think that people should avoid picking a side in this matter. Obviously this has already happened and numerous people have already proclaimed that they won't follow TB anymore or watch ATC, but honestly people - grow a pair. Nobody is going to benefit from people picking sides in a personal matter that is most likely caused by cultural differences, regarding publishing private conversations.
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
August 16 2013 21:37 GMT
#734
Wow, I thought that Acer handled the issue well and that Genna was doing them a service showing all the ways ATC tried to help, but now that Take is taking about legal action I'm pretty disappointed. Take and Acer have lost my viewership
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thurst0n
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States611 Posts
August 16 2013 21:44 GMT
#735
I work in the corporate world. And I think what some of the Starcraft personalities lack is true accountability for professionalism.

It's fine for e-sports to toe the line and be a little bit 'off-color' because, lets face it, that's what the typical e-sport demographic does anyway. But this is just embarrassing. I see all these personalities that are clearly very intelligent, dedicated, and so many other great things but they are immature because they allow emotions to dictate actions.

I have some anger management issues, and there are some fucking dumb people I work with on a daily basis that I cannot stand but if I were to send a petty e-mail to them I would surely be written up and potentially fired for insubordination and un-professionalism or whatever else they decided to call it. So what do I do when I just cannot take it? I stand up and walk away for 10-15 minutes. Then I come back and I sit down and I ask myself what do I have to do RIGHT NOW to accomplish whatever my ultimate goal. If I need something from someone, I will send a very direct specific e-mail, no need to add any extra comments because that's not going to get things done faster or better.
This is just silly. This wouldn't be allowed at most large corporations. I am not saying we need to go corporate, just that they know how to be productive. Lets all grow up please, acting like brats does not get anyone anywhere :-)
P.S. I'm nub. If you'd like you can follow me @xthurst but its not worth it ill be honest
fenix404
Profile Joined May 2011
United States305 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 21:55:31
August 16 2013 21:54 GMT
#736
so, i was fine, until the paragraph right before the thanks, and then i skimmed the thanks people, and now i am all feelsys T_T

i'm sorry for you and i love axiom/acer, and i hope the teams and most importantly, the players will be ok.

<3 STARCRAFT
"think for yourself, question authority"
pieroog
Profile Joined June 2010
Poland146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 22:13:37
August 16 2013 22:12 GMT
#737
IMHO posting private conversation is wrong by itself. But doing shit behind others' backs, and acting like "I'm the coolest one" on the surface is even worse.

After watching state of the game with Genna, I have grown up a big respect to that lady. And she had already mentioned bullshit behind WCS and SC2 scene during that episode!

If we want SC2 to grow - we need more transparent folks like Genna, and we do need to get our shit together, no matter who's right in this dispute (imho everyone loses here).
MOMOPEWPEW
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany112 Posts
August 16 2013 22:51 GMT
#738
This is so bs, now take looks bad for doing nothing wrong just because a incompetent person is telling uninformed and wrong stuff. She should definitely make a new statement where she apologizes for this unnecessary drama instead of just saying she was uninformed because in the comments i can still see people who actually think she did everything right just because they dont bother actually reading up on the topic...
PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
August 16 2013 23:06 GMT
#739
Mistakes were both on both sides with regards to the ATC drama. Having said that, posting private chat logs in public is the very definition of unprofessional. I don't see how it can be inferred that Take was threatening legal action - even a douche phrase like 'I hope that's legally punishable' doesn't amount to a 'threat'.
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
August 16 2013 23:32 GMT
#740
Just to be clear: do usually offline team leagues provide travel expenses or not?

To me, it's really weird that you organize a team league but teams have to fly all the team on their own. You better take out some of the prizemoney to finance this IMO.
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