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On August 17 2013 01:37 theBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:33 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:31 theBlues wrote:
This community is amazingly toxic, if this blows up to the point Axiom closes we will have one less team in the scene. The scene is stagnating and this reddit mentality helps nothing. I see this over and over again, anonymous posters pestering a public figure of the community until they snap and start lashing out, seen this with incontrol, idra, tb and countless others before. Like highschool bullying of some sort. The sad thing is when the game starts losing more and more presence these trolls will jump ship to whatever game.
I hope TB and Genna have the strength to keep on trucking, the voice of the community has become the bane of the people trying to advance Starcraft. You know who has been the most toxic during this whole thing, TB himself. He publically insulted and started a witchhunt against Take, please explain to me how this is justified or the appropriate thing to do. The ¨community backlash¨ is what started all of this like it always does.
Bullshit. All of this was started because Genna made the chatlogs private, no one else is to blame for this public drama.
The community/bullies/trolls or whoever did not demand for this to made public.
They released this stuff to have the higher ground, and did it again after Take complained.
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On August 17 2013 01:36 Rob-Zero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:32 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 01:30 Rob-Zero wrote:On August 17 2013 01:25 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 17 2013 01:20 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:15 Azelja wrote:
And people here really have the audacity to even wonder why guys like Tasteless, Day9, Artosis or who-have-you don't check TL (anymore) and why MLG (among many others) have been so sparse with the intel they give out.
Good grief, why is this still my browser's homepage yet? And this is exactly how this whole shitstorm could have been prevented. Just not make anything public. I don't quite get, why it had to be made public in the first place ? Was it supposed to be a smear campaign towards Take ? When Axiom started they stated they wanted to be as transparent as possible, of course this turned out to be a mistake sadly. Being transparent in anything business isn't a good idea. You can be transparent if you want, but at least arrange it with all parties involved in your transparency. There wasn't anything bad in what she released, so I dont see a problem. It mostly showed that both sides worked very hard to work something out. Really, I don't know why TakeTV is upset about it, because it really just shows that they both give a shit and it just didn't make sense for them to come. It was explained several times already why it was bad what she released (Take paying for Liquid, Acer looking bad, maybe Liquid does not want that anyone knows that Take helps them out f.e.), i absolutely see why TakeTV is upset about it, and you should, too. The whole things was a minor problem, not even worth mentioning, just some mistakes that can happen...as long as it was private.
I'm not upset at all in any way. As I said in another thread, I am at work today preparing a motion to release another attorney's emails to the court to show he has been misleading the court and acting in bad faith. Although he never lies outright, he is a pain and likes to omit information he provides to the court and my attorneys are sick of it. It is considered unprofessional by some, but at the end of the day it gets what we want. Its mean, but we want him to knock it off and this is a slap in the face to get that done.
Business is a mean and people don't always get along. We are not one big happy SC2 family, but a small group of teams and events all trying to make a living.
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Not too interested in the starcraft side of eSports these days - nor the matter at hand - but it's definitely not acceptable to post (meant to be) private business correspondence for people to gawk at. Much less not to omit identifiable details like names and such.
Sorry, but it's pretty obvious who's in the wrong here. "Lifting the veil" doesn't necessitate inviting people into your home to see how things are run and then also leaving the bathroom door open as you take a shit.
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On August 17 2013 01:39 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:37 theBlues wrote:On August 17 2013 01:33 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:31 theBlues wrote:
This community is amazingly toxic, if this blows up to the point Axiom closes we will have one less team in the scene. The scene is stagnating and this reddit mentality helps nothing. I see this over and over again, anonymous posters pestering a public figure of the community until they snap and start lashing out, seen this with incontrol, idra, tb and countless others before. Like highschool bullying of some sort. The sad thing is when the game starts losing more and more presence these trolls will jump ship to whatever game.
I hope TB and Genna have the strength to keep on trucking, the voice of the community has become the bane of the people trying to advance Starcraft. You know who has been the most toxic during this whole thing, TB himself. He publically insulted and started a witchhunt against Take, please explain to me how this is justified or the appropriate thing to do. That is what happens when you get pestered by anonymous bullies, people are not robots and will start to get hurt and stressed out eventually. The ¨community backlash¨ is what started all of this like it always does. Can you stop treating TB like a saint? He started this shit with "fuck take" "fuck take he should stop trying to save face" Every fucking public message of him had only 1 purpose: hopefully the community will get mad at take Or can you tell me 1 other reason for making these rants public? that is literally the start of a shitstorm but it backfired.
That is how I see it aswell. TB tried to start a withhunt with the backing of his mindless fanboys to take Take down.
That is one of the most toxic actions I have ever seen a public figure of SC2 has ever done.
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On August 17 2013 01:40 lunis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:37 theBlues wrote:On August 17 2013 01:33 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:31 theBlues wrote:
This community is amazingly toxic, if this blows up to the point Axiom closes we will have one less team in the scene. The scene is stagnating and this reddit mentality helps nothing. I see this over and over again, anonymous posters pestering a public figure of the community until they snap and start lashing out, seen this with incontrol, idra, tb and countless others before. Like highschool bullying of some sort. The sad thing is when the game starts losing more and more presence these trolls will jump ship to whatever game.
I hope TB and Genna have the strength to keep on trucking, the voice of the community has become the bane of the people trying to advance Starcraft. You know who has been the most toxic during this whole thing, TB himself. He publically insulted and started a witchhunt against Take, please explain to me how this is justified or the appropriate thing to do. The ¨community backlash¨ is what started all of this like it always does. Bullshit. All of this was started because Genna made the chatlogs private, no one else is to blame for this public drama. The community/bullies/trolls or whoever did not demand for this to made public. They released this stuff to have the higher ground, and did it again after Take complained.
No, thats wrong. The backlash started when they pulled out of the team league and people got upset about that, claiming they were unprofessional. They explained they tried to work it out and the money for the travel wasn't there. People didn't accept that and kept complaining, saying they should have known Take wouldn't cover the whole cost. Then they released the chat logs.
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On August 17 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:40 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:37 theBlues wrote:On August 17 2013 01:33 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:31 theBlues wrote:
This community is amazingly toxic, if this blows up to the point Axiom closes we will have one less team in the scene. The scene is stagnating and this reddit mentality helps nothing. I see this over and over again, anonymous posters pestering a public figure of the community until they snap and start lashing out, seen this with incontrol, idra, tb and countless others before. Like highschool bullying of some sort. The sad thing is when the game starts losing more and more presence these trolls will jump ship to whatever game.
I hope TB and Genna have the strength to keep on trucking, the voice of the community has become the bane of the people trying to advance Starcraft. You know who has been the most toxic during this whole thing, TB himself. He publically insulted and started a witchhunt against Take, please explain to me how this is justified or the appropriate thing to do. The ¨community backlash¨ is what started all of this like it always does. Bullshit. All of this was started because Genna made the chatlogs private, no one else is to blame for this public drama. The community/bullies/trolls or whoever did not demand for this to made public. They released this stuff to have the higher ground, and did it again after Take complained. No, thats wrong. The backlash started when they pulled out of the team league and people got upset about that, claiming they were unprofessional. They explained they tried to work it out and the money for the travel wasn't there. People didn't accept that and kept complaining, saying they should have known Take wouldn't cover the whole cost. Then they released the chat logs.
Could you please point me in the direction where this happened. I remember that it was mostly a small minority who was complaining. Especially on Reddit people were just sad to see that Axiom couldn't be there.
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On August 17 2013 01:36 Azelja wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:25 vrok wrote:On August 17 2013 01:15 Azelja wrote:
And people here really have the audacity to even wonder why guys like Tasteless, Day9, Artosis or who-have-you don't check TL (anymore) and why MLG (among many others) have been so sparse with the intel they give out.
Good grief, why is this still my browser's homepage yet? Are you saying TB is responsible for Tasteless, Day9 and Artosis withdrawing? Otherwise I don't get your point, as he's the one posting the most toxic content in here, is he not? Or maybe you're saying that the community constantly posts private conversations with Tasteless, Day9 and Artosis in public to make them look bad? I'm not quite sure if you are serious or not... but oh well. What I am saying is that this community (I think given recent occurrences I should mention that obviously I'm not referring to the actually reasonable and genuinely nice people both here and the ones that go to offline tournaments to cheer) has gone so far downhill in it's (hurtful) flaming, trolling and drama-inducing bullshit that it can't even see the light of better days anymore yet still for some reason wonders why nobody likes it and many of the "community figures" are avoiding the forums.
I guess my point is this.
You generalize too much. The community encompasses a wide variety of people that all speak out in different fashions and on different subjects.
And the only reason for this particular drama-inducing bullshit is because of Genna releasing private conversations publicly without permission (twice) and TB pouring gasoline on the situation by publicly flaming Take and the community without reason. The community has zero blame in this.
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On August 17 2013 01:22 {ToT}ColmA wrote:people should drop the "but xyz did good stuff in the past", when someone fucks up he fucks up and has to be accountable for it. (thats a general statement for all who are bad at comprehending  )
"A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. Each should have its own reward." (George R. R. Martin)
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To speak of a debacle would be an understatement.
Still, I don't understand why TB didn't already hire someone to handle his PRs, as he's clearly incapable of being a reasonable adult. Every time there's drama he acts like an immature child while spewing toxic around like a hydra.
He's a far from being a rational beeing as it gets in this situation, which makes it really difficult to take him seriously.
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On August 17 2013 01:31 theBlues wrote:
This community is amazingly toxic, if this blows up to the point Axiom closes we will have one less team in the scene. The scene is stagnating and this reddit mentality helps nothing. I see this over and over again, anonymous posters pestering a public figure of the community until they snap and start lashing out, seen this with incontrol, idra, tb and countless others before. Like highschool bullying of some sort. The sad thing is when the game starts losing more and more presence these trolls will jump ship to whatever game.
I hope TB and Genna have the strength to keep on trucking, the voice of the community has become the bane of the people trying to advance Starcraft.
People notice the tree that falls, not the growing forest. Most people here still highly appreciate what TB and Genna have done/are doing for sc. Nobody is being crucified etc (except maybe TB following his agressive statements).
Most people here recognize Genna's good intentions but also voice their opinion she has carried them out in wrong fashion. Many of us here agree Axiom is to 'blame' for a big part in this case. Yeah, they made a mistake boo hoo. Axiom is in the top 3 most popular teams in teh community, receives support and will still receive support from it.
TLDR: Many people are critical of how Axiom handled this situation, which doesn't equal a public witch-hunt. I for one strongly disapprove with the way they handled this situation. TB's reaction was way over the top. But I will still support him and what he does, and appreciate the contributions they make to sc as a whole.
Edit: since Martin quotes are popular these days: “We all need to be mocked from time to time, lest we take ourselves too seriously.”
― George R.R. Martin
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On August 17 2013 01:45 lunis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 01:40 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:37 theBlues wrote:On August 17 2013 01:33 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:31 theBlues wrote:
This community is amazingly toxic, if this blows up to the point Axiom closes we will have one less team in the scene. The scene is stagnating and this reddit mentality helps nothing. I see this over and over again, anonymous posters pestering a public figure of the community until they snap and start lashing out, seen this with incontrol, idra, tb and countless others before. Like highschool bullying of some sort. The sad thing is when the game starts losing more and more presence these trolls will jump ship to whatever game.
I hope TB and Genna have the strength to keep on trucking, the voice of the community has become the bane of the people trying to advance Starcraft. You know who has been the most toxic during this whole thing, TB himself. He publically insulted and started a witchhunt against Take, please explain to me how this is justified or the appropriate thing to do. The ¨community backlash¨ is what started all of this like it always does. Bullshit. All of this was started because Genna made the chatlogs private, no one else is to blame for this public drama. The community/bullies/trolls or whoever did not demand for this to made public. They released this stuff to have the higher ground, and did it again after Take complained. No, thats wrong. The backlash started when they pulled out of the team league and people got upset about that, claiming they were unprofessional. They explained they tried to work it out and the money for the travel wasn't there. People didn't accept that and kept complaining, saying they should have known Take wouldn't cover the whole cost. Then they released the chat logs. Could you please point me in the direction where this happened. I remember that it was mostly a small minority who was complaining. Especially on Reddit people were just sad to see that Axiom couldn't be there.
I can't do a post by post break down at work, but the news came out via twitter, with a response from Take about an hour later, all on August 15th(TL time, it was the 14th for me). The blog was released 8-9 hours after the news broke and people were still going on and on about it.
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On August 17 2013 01:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:36 Rob-Zero wrote:On August 17 2013 01:32 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 01:30 Rob-Zero wrote:On August 17 2013 01:25 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 17 2013 01:20 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:15 Azelja wrote:
And people here really have the audacity to even wonder why guys like Tasteless, Day9, Artosis or who-have-you don't check TL (anymore) and why MLG (among many others) have been so sparse with the intel they give out.
Good grief, why is this still my browser's homepage yet? And this is exactly how this whole shitstorm could have been prevented. Just not make anything public. I don't quite get, why it had to be made public in the first place ? Was it supposed to be a smear campaign towards Take ? When Axiom started they stated they wanted to be as transparent as possible, of course this turned out to be a mistake sadly. Being transparent in anything business isn't a good idea. You can be transparent if you want, but at least arrange it with all parties involved in your transparency. There wasn't anything bad in what she released, so I dont see a problem. It mostly showed that both sides worked very hard to work something out. Really, I don't know why TakeTV is upset about it, because it really just shows that they both give a shit and it just didn't make sense for them to come. It was explained several times already why it was bad what she released (Take paying for Liquid, Acer looking bad, maybe Liquid does not want that anyone knows that Take helps them out f.e.), i absolutely see why TakeTV is upset about it, and you should, too. The whole things was a minor problem, not even worth mentioning, just some mistakes that can happen...as long as it was private. I'm not upset at all in any way. As I said in another thread, I am at work today preparing a motion to release another attorney's emails to the court to show he has been misleading the court and acting in bad faith. Although he never lies outright, he is a pain and likes to omit information he provides to the court and my attorneys are sick of it. It is considered unprofessional by some, but at the end of the day it gets what we want. Its mean, but we want him to knock it off and this is a slap in the face to get that done. Business is a mean and people don't always get along. We are not one big happy SC2 family, but a small group of teams and events all trying to make a living.
see i am curious, i already read your posts in the other thread and i agree that in business you sometimes need to cut someone loose or end a businessrelation for (primarily financial) gains.
But looking at this situation, there was no gain for Axiom, not participating in future Take events hurts them, they do not get money out of this either, the publicity is also not positive, if you take away simple exposure (which TB should have enough of) i cannot fathom any viable reason for Axiom / Genna / TB to worsen their image and their relations with Take at all, its simply not smart for their little venture, thus unprofessional imo.
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On August 17 2013 01:51 Naphal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:41 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 01:36 Rob-Zero wrote:On August 17 2013 01:32 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 01:30 Rob-Zero wrote:On August 17 2013 01:25 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 17 2013 01:20 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:15 Azelja wrote:
And people here really have the audacity to even wonder why guys like Tasteless, Day9, Artosis or who-have-you don't check TL (anymore) and why MLG (among many others) have been so sparse with the intel they give out.
Good grief, why is this still my browser's homepage yet? And this is exactly how this whole shitstorm could have been prevented. Just not make anything public. I don't quite get, why it had to be made public in the first place ? Was it supposed to be a smear campaign towards Take ? When Axiom started they stated they wanted to be as transparent as possible, of course this turned out to be a mistake sadly. Being transparent in anything business isn't a good idea. You can be transparent if you want, but at least arrange it with all parties involved in your transparency. There wasn't anything bad in what she released, so I dont see a problem. It mostly showed that both sides worked very hard to work something out. Really, I don't know why TakeTV is upset about it, because it really just shows that they both give a shit and it just didn't make sense for them to come. It was explained several times already why it was bad what she released (Take paying for Liquid, Acer looking bad, maybe Liquid does not want that anyone knows that Take helps them out f.e.), i absolutely see why TakeTV is upset about it, and you should, too. The whole things was a minor problem, not even worth mentioning, just some mistakes that can happen...as long as it was private. I'm not upset at all in any way. As I said in another thread, I am at work today preparing a motion to release another attorney's emails to the court to show he has been misleading the court and acting in bad faith. Although he never lies outright, he is a pain and likes to omit information he provides to the court and my attorneys are sick of it. It is considered unprofessional by some, but at the end of the day it gets what we want. Its mean, but we want him to knock it off and this is a slap in the face to get that done. Business is a mean and people don't always get along. We are not one big happy SC2 family, but a small group of teams and events all trying to make a living. see i am curious, i already read your posts in the other thread and i agree that in business you sometimes need to cut someone loose or end a businessrelation for (primarily financial) gains. But looking at this situation, there was no gain for Axiom, not participating in future Take events hurts them, they do not get money out of this either, the publicity is also not positive, if you take away simple exposure (which TB should have enough of) i cannot fathom any viable reason for Axiom / Genna / TB to worsen their image and their relations with Take at all, its simply not smart for their little venture, thus unprofessional imo.
It was a little unprofessional, but that doesn't make it bad outright or anything people should be upset about. TB does not like Take and the world will continue spinning even though that it true. He isn't asking other people to hate Take TV and we shouldn't do that. This isn't highschool and two people not liking eachother does not mean that we need to pick a side or do anything of the sort. He is just being honest about his relationship with the group and we can take that into account in the future.
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On August 17 2013 01:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:40 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:37 theBlues wrote:On August 17 2013 01:33 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:31 theBlues wrote:
This community is amazingly toxic, if this blows up to the point Axiom closes we will have one less team in the scene. The scene is stagnating and this reddit mentality helps nothing. I see this over and over again, anonymous posters pestering a public figure of the community until they snap and start lashing out, seen this with incontrol, idra, tb and countless others before. Like highschool bullying of some sort. The sad thing is when the game starts losing more and more presence these trolls will jump ship to whatever game.
I hope TB and Genna have the strength to keep on trucking, the voice of the community has become the bane of the people trying to advance Starcraft. You know who has been the most toxic during this whole thing, TB himself. He publically insulted and started a witchhunt against Take, please explain to me how this is justified or the appropriate thing to do. The ¨community backlash¨ is what started all of this like it always does. Bullshit. All of this was started because Genna made the chatlogs private, no one else is to blame for this public drama. The community/bullies/trolls or whoever did not demand for this to made public. They released this stuff to have the higher ground, and did it again after Take complained. No, thats wrong. The backlash started when they pulled out of the team league and people got upset about that, claiming they were unprofessional. They explained they tried to work it out and the money for the travel wasn't there. People didn't accept that and kept complaining, saying they should have known Take wouldn't cover the whole cost. Then they released the chat logs.
This is whats going to taint everything from now on.
Only because some people and it really is some people, not even a hounded wanted this.
Literally everyone else didn't give a fuck, they were disappointed but hey lets try to save face (as mighty TB put it) instead and listen to these 100people that seem to give a lot of fucks.
- But hey don't we risk hurting SC2 eSports by posting it? Could there be a backlash because they'll read it and don't side with us?
HEY LETS POST IT ANYWAY AND BLAME IT ON OTHERS INSTEAD!
Seriously this whole fucking situation should now with everything in hand never have been published.
Nothing good could have come from this!
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On August 17 2013 02:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 01:51 Naphal wrote:On August 17 2013 01:41 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 01:36 Rob-Zero wrote:On August 17 2013 01:32 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 01:30 Rob-Zero wrote:On August 17 2013 01:25 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 17 2013 01:20 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:15 Azelja wrote:
And people here really have the audacity to even wonder why guys like Tasteless, Day9, Artosis or who-have-you don't check TL (anymore) and why MLG (among many others) have been so sparse with the intel they give out.
Good grief, why is this still my browser's homepage yet? And this is exactly how this whole shitstorm could have been prevented. Just not make anything public. I don't quite get, why it had to be made public in the first place ? Was it supposed to be a smear campaign towards Take ? When Axiom started they stated they wanted to be as transparent as possible, of course this turned out to be a mistake sadly. Being transparent in anything business isn't a good idea. You can be transparent if you want, but at least arrange it with all parties involved in your transparency. There wasn't anything bad in what she released, so I dont see a problem. It mostly showed that both sides worked very hard to work something out. Really, I don't know why TakeTV is upset about it, because it really just shows that they both give a shit and it just didn't make sense for them to come. It was explained several times already why it was bad what she released (Take paying for Liquid, Acer looking bad, maybe Liquid does not want that anyone knows that Take helps them out f.e.), i absolutely see why TakeTV is upset about it, and you should, too. The whole things was a minor problem, not even worth mentioning, just some mistakes that can happen...as long as it was private. I'm not upset at all in any way. As I said in another thread, I am at work today preparing a motion to release another attorney's emails to the court to show he has been misleading the court and acting in bad faith. Although he never lies outright, he is a pain and likes to omit information he provides to the court and my attorneys are sick of it. It is considered unprofessional by some, but at the end of the day it gets what we want. Its mean, but we want him to knock it off and this is a slap in the face to get that done. Business is a mean and people don't always get along. We are not one big happy SC2 family, but a small group of teams and events all trying to make a living. see i am curious, i already read your posts in the other thread and i agree that in business you sometimes need to cut someone loose or end a businessrelation for (primarily financial) gains. But looking at this situation, there was no gain for Axiom, not participating in future Take events hurts them, they do not get money out of this either, the publicity is also not positive, if you take away simple exposure (which TB should have enough of) i cannot fathom any viable reason for Axiom / Genna / TB to worsen their image and their relations with Take at all, its simply not smart for their little venture, thus unprofessional imo. It was a little unprofessional, but that doesn't make it bad outright or anything people should be upset about. TB does not like Take and the world will continue spinning even though that it true. He isn't asking other people to hate Take TV and we shouldn't do that. This isn't highschool and two people not liking eachother does not mean that we need to pick a side or do anything of the sort. He is just being honest about his relationship with the group and we can take that into account in the future.
There would be no reason what so ever to post private conversations if Axiom/Genna didn't specifically want people to take sides. Same with TB writing Fuck TaKe on twitter. It's all about throwing shit at people, hoping that other people will find them stinky afterwards.
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On August 17 2013 02:08 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 02:02 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 01:51 Naphal wrote:On August 17 2013 01:41 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 01:36 Rob-Zero wrote:On August 17 2013 01:32 Plansix wrote:On August 17 2013 01:30 Rob-Zero wrote:On August 17 2013 01:25 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 17 2013 01:20 lunis wrote:On August 17 2013 01:15 Azelja wrote:
And people here really have the audacity to even wonder why guys like Tasteless, Day9, Artosis or who-have-you don't check TL (anymore) and why MLG (among many others) have been so sparse with the intel they give out.
Good grief, why is this still my browser's homepage yet? And this is exactly how this whole shitstorm could have been prevented. Just not make anything public. I don't quite get, why it had to be made public in the first place ? Was it supposed to be a smear campaign towards Take ? When Axiom started they stated they wanted to be as transparent as possible, of course this turned out to be a mistake sadly. Being transparent in anything business isn't a good idea. You can be transparent if you want, but at least arrange it with all parties involved in your transparency. There wasn't anything bad in what she released, so I dont see a problem. It mostly showed that both sides worked very hard to work something out. Really, I don't know why TakeTV is upset about it, because it really just shows that they both give a shit and it just didn't make sense for them to come. It was explained several times already why it was bad what she released (Take paying for Liquid, Acer looking bad, maybe Liquid does not want that anyone knows that Take helps them out f.e.), i absolutely see why TakeTV is upset about it, and you should, too. The whole things was a minor problem, not even worth mentioning, just some mistakes that can happen...as long as it was private. I'm not upset at all in any way. As I said in another thread, I am at work today preparing a motion to release another attorney's emails to the court to show he has been misleading the court and acting in bad faith. Although he never lies outright, he is a pain and likes to omit information he provides to the court and my attorneys are sick of it. It is considered unprofessional by some, but at the end of the day it gets what we want. Its mean, but we want him to knock it off and this is a slap in the face to get that done. Business is a mean and people don't always get along. We are not one big happy SC2 family, but a small group of teams and events all trying to make a living. see i am curious, i already read your posts in the other thread and i agree that in business you sometimes need to cut someone loose or end a businessrelation for (primarily financial) gains. But looking at this situation, there was no gain for Axiom, not participating in future Take events hurts them, they do not get money out of this either, the publicity is also not positive, if you take away simple exposure (which TB should have enough of) i cannot fathom any viable reason for Axiom / Genna / TB to worsen their image and their relations with Take at all, its simply not smart for their little venture, thus unprofessional imo. It was a little unprofessional, but that doesn't make it bad outright or anything people should be upset about. TB does not like Take and the world will continue spinning even though that it true. He isn't asking other people to hate Take TV and we shouldn't do that. This isn't highschool and two people not liking eachother does not mean that we need to pick a side or do anything of the sort. He is just being honest about his relationship with the group and we can take that into account in the future. I think by publicly stating you hate x and wont particpate in X you are hoping others will follow your lead. Otherwise you would simply do it and not announce it.
That was not a good move in any way, but I don't really expect rational responses from people when their families are involved. As someone who is in the legal field, professionalism goes out the door when family becomes involved. Its likely why they hired a manager, to add a bit of buffer between TB and the events.
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