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Magpiez
England15 Posts
Good luck in your future endeavours. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
**All communications are considered private and contents are not to be shared or forwarded without author consent** (if anyone has input/advice on better legal language - or if there even is any legal value please PM me) | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
Best of luck and as always Axiom Fighting! | ||
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nikoYO
Germany131 Posts
he even offered help and now you smash him. good fucking job. | ||
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metroid composite
Canada231 Posts
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HorstSchlemmer
Germany114 Posts
Take says he's going to ask Acer if they could help out and that statement gets released. What options are left for Acer? They could either pay or decline to do so. What reaction could they have faced by the community if they don't pay? "Sadly it didn't work out" or "ACER RUINING ESPORTS - declining to fly out poor Axiom!" If you look at all this and every previous drama, I'm willing to say that it wouldn't be the first option for sure... It's not guaranteed to happen but there's always one idiot starting a riot... //Edit: Not talking about TB or Take here Now this drama is bigger than Acer not paying, so pitchforks are on TB/genna/Axiom and Take, which might in the end be the best outcome... Everyone made mistakes in this one, the simple solution would be to grow up and talk to each other instead of pulling shit into public... | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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CarbonTwelve
Australia525 Posts
On August 16 2013 17:12 metroid composite wrote: This makes me quite sad. If it's a way to avoid legal action against Axiom, I suppose it's the most logical decision, but it still brings a tear to my eye to lose arguably the best manager in the business. I think it has more to do with avoiding health issues for Genna. | ||
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WTFProoF
Russian Federation7 Posts
Basically GuX was still with SK, but hadn't signed his contract with them for the length of five months while still receiving payments from them, he also was ought to attend Arbalet Dallas with SK and the organisation even had paid for his plane-ticket. Then through leaks of personal Skype conversations it came to light, that fnatic paid GuX for not attending the tournament. That controversy had it all, public announcements, rage-tweets, posting of private conversations (from both sides), legal threats. In the end nothing really happened. What I am trying to say is, that organizations in eSports handle their affairs poorly for a long time now and they still don't seem to learn. Genna could have handled the situation better buy asking Take if he is ok with her posting the stuff in order to explain the situation. Take, if it was so important to him could have marked the stuff he had written with a NDA. In the end there won't be anything the two parties can take out of this situation except for some (bad) publicity. Publishing private information (Genna) without asking is not a nice move, but escalating that quickly and even throwing around hollow threats of legal action (Take) is also pretty silly. Acer won't get hurt at all since none of the parties actually attacked the company itself and even if they took a hit trough it they also wouldn't care much I think (since their major market is definitely not the eSports scene). | ||
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
On August 16 2013 17:13 CarbonTwelve wrote: I think it has more to do with avoiding health issues for Genna. That and any further damage to their publicity, I'd guess. | ||
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fleeze
Germany895 Posts
On August 16 2013 17:03 CarbonTwelve wrote: He didn't say "I wonder", he said "I hope". Very different. For the first post, no, there couldn't, and there wouldn't, and I have studied law. The second post is a bit more possible, but still unlikely. YOU did you study WORLD LAW or what? as a fucking lawyer you should know different countries have different laws. germany has some pretty strict laws on private data, btw. and ultimately it doesn't matter at all. if someone posts your PRIVATE conversations in the business world without permission he loses all trust he had and you won't deal with this person any longer. this is just plain obvious. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
So long and thanks for all the fish. | ||
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Drteeth
Great Britain415 Posts
On August 16 2013 13:13 Joedaddy wrote: cuz.... TB is being TB, as usual. That's my guess anyway. Can you actually read? Obviously not ..... | ||
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Tanukki
Finland579 Posts
About the Axiom vs Take conflict, you guys should get some perspective before slinging mud. First off, they have a conflict of interest. Take is trying to save the tournament he is hosting, Axiom wants to pull out because they'd have to go in the red to participate. Reasonable from both sides, but unsolvable, since it's way too late to renegotiate any sponsorship deals. While that's pretty tense, they could have gotten over this in good terms. But then... Axiom has a brutally (or suicidally) honest PR policy and always makes detailed public statements about what's going on, and they don't see any problem quoting Take from skype logs in order to clarify things. While the logs don't really make Take look bad or contain incredibly sensitive information, Take freaks out over the fact that they would do this for any reason. Axiom makes no concessions and gives Take the middle finger from their moral high ground. So who is in the wrong? You decide, but personally I don't see any villains in this story, and no need to raise any pitchforks. They only wanted the best for their team/event and stood by their principles. It's not really anything a viewer should be concerned with anyways, other than the fact that we have Millenium in ATC instead of Axiom. | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
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Silan
Denmark198 Posts
On August 16 2013 13:00 TotalBiscuit wrote: Fuck Dennis. If he wasn't so concerned about saving face rather than being honest with everybody about his mismanaged tournament then some of this might not have happened. This is the only part i don't get. Where exactly did Take throw Axiom under a bus? The only statement i've seen from Take was in short "we talked it out, we couldn't come to an agreement, everyone is sorry, we will do better". It doesn't cover any detail, but to me it seems like a very fair and reasonable statement? The Take Statement: + Show Spoiler + Hey everyone in the esportscene as you have seen Axiom did a post that they won`t be able to participate in the Acer TeamStoryCup powered by Intel which makes me very sad! I have seen some bad feedback from the community which gives me a very bad feeling cause Axiom same as us tried to figure out all options if they can make it and do not have to cancel thier participation. We kept talking for along time already and also informed Millenium right after we knew that it _might_ happen that Axiom won t be able to attend. I wanna thank Axiom for keep talking to us and trying to find a solution. So as you can see Millenium will be the replacement in this case - Stuff like this can happen and is very sad for the team itself cause they fought for this place. I hope to see Axiom back in action if there is a next season and they can do it once again to qualify for the Finals! I hope even with this bad news you are looking forward to the ATC Finale as i do which will be already saturday and i also wanna let you guys know that we try to work on this league to let stuff like this not happen again and try to have even a better communication to the teams but don t forget esport is a very very busy business and all of the people actually working here invest more time than most "normal" people would ever do. Thanks Dennis | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On August 16 2013 16:10 Awesomeness wrote: This blog is literally the opposite of demage control. Maybe it is not always about professional damage control, but revealing the personal experience of a matter. I rather like this open approach by the Bain family than professionally managed damage control. | ||
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SaWse
Belgium102 Posts
On August 16 2013 17:00 zul wrote: Lesson to learn: seal everything with a NDA. Sad that this has to be done, but all of this would have been avoided. In Addition: why dont you deal with this shit behind closed doors completely? Going public when you are disapointed does not help here. Tbh genna should have thought about legal actions herself. Anyways, thanks for your Engagement. I would insult you for your stupidity but I won't, Genna has no grounds to take legal action and never did. I seriously doubt TaKe ever seriously considered taking legal action himself, if he did he wouldn't have put a questionmark behind it and would've phrased it differently. Nothing in the entire world would ever get done if you had to put an NDA on every stupid little thing, there is professional courtesy but some people don't seem to understand this very basic principle. | ||
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CarbonTwelve
Australia525 Posts
On August 16 2013 17:15 fleeze wrote: YOU did you study WORLD LAW or what? as a fucking lawyer you should know different countries have different laws. germany has some pretty strict laws on private data, btw. I never said I was a lawyer, but as someone who has studied law I also know about jurisdiction, and what German law can do about something that someone from the US posted whilst in the US on a US site hosted in the US. | ||
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
On August 16 2013 17:22 [F_]aths wrote: Maybe it is not always about professional damage control, but revealing the personal experience of a matter. I rather like this open approach by the Bain family than professionally managed damage control. Like it or don't like it, I think it'll end up eventually hurting the team and the players in it. That's what is supposed to matter the most, not saving a person's face or anything like that. | ||
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