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On August 16 2013 16:23 SaWse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:58 steff wrote:
Dennis : okay i see but lets be honest thier chances doing pretty okay at the finale are there if we cant find a deal at all it would be the worst solution right? the point is i dont have big budgets that i can pay from my own pocket 3-4-5 flights
Genna : Worst case scenario, we forfeit and Millenium takes our slot.
Dennis : but before a team is not coming i really wanna help and even willing to pay some of my money into it thats why i ask i just try to find options
Genna : I'll have to talk to John about it to see if we have anything leftover from our sponsor pool for the month.
Dennis : okay and i will talk to acer about it if they would cover another 1500+ i think i am willing to help to on top
I take it all back its clear Take is the real evil person in this situation. Guy acts as reasonably as someone can > gets upset about private conversations being made public > gets jumped on by fans of the most toxic duo in e-sports. Couldn't agree more, he offers to help out in any way he can, and then he gets stabbed in the back. (maybe that's overly dramatic) He gets upset and posts PRIVATELY MESSAGES something that vaguely hints to legal action and suddenly it's all as if he was suing them already. Don't do anything that can make sponsors look bad in this industry because it is simply too fragile for pulling shit like that. It's like someone said a while back on whatever talk show I was watching, we can't just say no papa johns we don't want your sponsorship until you are better to your employees.
Also, TaKe's comment about legal action could simply be questioning if it was legal for Genna to use his private messages publicly without his permission.
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Wow, I can't believe this shit.
Genna posting private stuff, and Dennis rightfully gets mad.
Then she posts his reaction online again?!
W-T-F
You owe TaKe an apology!
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On August 16 2013 16:11 OblivionMage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 16:09 Shebuha wrote:On August 16 2013 16:04 OblivionMage wrote:[6:51:49 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: i guess if acer gonna read this they will get mad
[6:51:54 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: that you posted it online
[6:51:55 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: 10 times
[6:52:02 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: more than u can ever imagine
[6:52:14 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: cause there you let acer look very bad So let me get this straight: Misc. issues cause Axiom to not be able to attend an event. Genna posts announcement. Minor (MINOR) disgruntlement from community. Genna seeks to defend herself and her team, posting private chats of her and TaKe. TaKe sees these, and realizes it could make Acer look bad, and in this money-starved business, that's the worst thing you could do. TaKe gets mad, writes angrily to Genna. Genna again posts a private conversation and calls it quits. At the end of the day, TaKe was just paranoid about making a sponsor look bad, I don't think that's at all problematic. Yeah, the legal threats were dumb, but Genna's posting them publicily to try to crucify TaKe seems worse. 1. lol. 2. No, he thought it could make Acer look bad, which it in no way could. 3. That was not her intention. 4. The more I read from Genna and TB the more I love the both of them. I will support them both, as well as Axiom itself, until the end. So you think it was a good idea to post private business conversations to make you and your organization look good in the communities eyes at the expense of another individual and at the expense of a sponsor? You support that, right? That's totally cool with you?
Have you ever followed Axiom? They post this up for practically everything, which is why the team has so many fans. Did you see their blog post on why they ended up with Miya in the loser bracket?
If TaKe has a problem, he could've posted it up the same way and made the situation more transparent. That's what we (Axiom fans) like: the transparent way they detail their decisions. If there is more truth, the ball's in his court. If he wants to cover it up..... well he shouldn't have made threats of legal action which were probably going the way of his prior conversations.
If he expected this not to happen, well then he shouldn't have worked with people who do this for everything.
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On August 16 2013 16:09 Shebuha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 16:04 OblivionMage wrote:[6:51:49 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: i guess if acer gonna read this they will get mad
[6:51:54 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: that you posted it online
[6:51:55 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: 10 times
[6:52:02 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: more than u can ever imagine
[6:52:14 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: cause there you let acer look very bad So let me get this straight: Misc. issues cause Axiom to not be able to attend an event. Genna posts announcement. Minor (MINOR) disgruntlement from community. Genna seeks to defend herself and her team, posting private chats of her and TaKe. TaKe sees these, and realizes it could make Acer look bad, and in this money-starved business, that's the worst thing you could do. TaKe gets mad, writes angrily to Genna. Genna again posts a private conversation and calls it quits. At the end of the day, TaKe was just paranoid about making a sponsor look bad, I don't think that's at all problematic. Yeah, the legal threats were dumb, but Genna's posting them publicily to try to crucify TaKe seems worse. 1. lol. 2. No, he thought it could make Acer look bad, which it in no way could. 3. That was not her intention. 4. The more I read from Genna and TB the more I love the both of them. I will support them both, as well as Axiom itself, until the end.
What would have happened if the logs just would not have been posted?
That is right .. nothing.
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On August 16 2013 16:34 Voyage wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 16:09 Shebuha wrote:On August 16 2013 16:04 OblivionMage wrote:[6:51:49 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: i guess if acer gonna read this they will get mad
[6:51:54 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: that you posted it online
[6:51:55 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: 10 times
[6:52:02 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: more than u can ever imagine
[6:52:14 AM] Dennis.Gehlen: cause there you let acer look very bad So let me get this straight: Misc. issues cause Axiom to not be able to attend an event. Genna posts announcement. Minor (MINOR) disgruntlement from community. Genna seeks to defend herself and her team, posting private chats of her and TaKe. TaKe sees these, and realizes it could make Acer look bad, and in this money-starved business, that's the worst thing you could do. TaKe gets mad, writes angrily to Genna. Genna again posts a private conversation and calls it quits. At the end of the day, TaKe was just paranoid about making a sponsor look bad, I don't think that's at all problematic. Yeah, the legal threats were dumb, but Genna's posting them publicily to try to crucify TaKe seems worse. 1. lol. 2. No, he thought it could make Acer look bad, which it in no way could. 3. That was not her intention. 4. The more I read from Genna and TB the more I love the both of them. I will support them both, as well as Axiom itself, until the end. What would have happened if the logs just would not have been posted? That is right .. nothing.
Except things were already happening before she posted the logs and made that blog, hence the need for it.
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On August 16 2013 16:31 lolnice wrote:
Wow, I can't believe this shit.
Genna posting private stuff, and Dennis rightfully gets mad.
Then she posts his reaction online again?!
W-T-F
You owe TaKe an apology!
This is what I am saying. Not only does Genna post the private conversation once, but she does it again the SECOND time when Dennis already told her his misgivings about the first one.
We could call the first reveal of the private conversation a mistake/error in judgement, but then she does it again. Wtf???
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On August 16 2013 16:19 ptbl wrote:
Germany is just starting to wake up. If you think the backlash against Genna and TB is big right now, just wait until Germany's/Europe's sc2 crowds chime in. You ain't seen nothing yet. They are fiercely loyal to take, especially when he is in the right.
You mean like when they still shit on him for not having a Tattoo which he should get because he lost a bet?. 
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On August 16 2013 13:36 theking1 wrote:
I do not think this is much of a surprise comming form the totalbiscuit-genna couple.They invested some money into sc2 but after failing to obtain big profits(and i am only quoting tb twitter right here) they sort of realize that esports is not exactly the thing that could bring in profits and they decide to slowly leave by throwing dirt at everyone that disagrees with them,This is happening in the context in which totalbiscuit is threatening to stop casting sc2 (like anyone forced him in the first place).
I find quite obnoxious that they are insulting Take who has provided the community with one of the best and most entertaining tournament s there is HSC which ran for 7 editions and made sc2 players look more human.Also take has been with sc2 from the very beggining.In terms of what the sc2 community is concerned I would much rateher prefer to have take and see the next HSCups than hear about totalbiscuit whinning and moaning all day long.
And this is another thing I disliked form the very first day about the totalbiscuit jenna-couple:the constant whinning and moaning.Everybody knows that in the esports industry you have to deal with unpleasant situations.LiquidNAzgul knows about this,alex garfield,sir scoots,day9 and countless other team owners and people involved know about this yet none of them moan and complain as much as totalbiscuit and genna.I mean literally you would think they are the only ones having issues and everyone else doesn't.Totalbiscuit is probably the only teamowner who constantly throws the 100k $ number on twitter to remind the community how much he invested.I never hear Nazgul say on twitter:"Man I invested probably a million dollars since bw in the sc scene you all should not say anything bad about me".Get over it.You are not more entitled than any other team owners who put money into the scen.If esports,and especially sc2 does not make you a profit then for gods sake move one.
I would not be surprised that in a couple of months after tb and genna decide to leave sc2 permanently they will write an essay on reddit simmilar to what destiny did when he switched to lol saying how bad sc2 is and how much the community sucks.On the long run tb will hurt the sc2 proscene more than they will help.
And the excuse about bashing is absolutely pathetic.All people in esports get ot deal with anonymus trolls.So what?Noone has quoted them as the reason for baciing off esports.And bashing Take out of all people is absolutely disgenuite.Oh and by the way Take has not taken any legal action.He might have just been upset and trolled on skype.
In conclusion:I understand that people can not make large amounts of money of sc2.But if you really wana quit the scen do not do it destiny style by throwing trash at everyhting.instead be more humble about it.Nobody blames you.
I agree with most of what you are saying, but why on earth are you so harsh about it? Everytime there is any kind of drama everyone is acting like the people involved are mass murderers and fans immediately take sites to throw trash at everyone not agreeing. While destroying all kinds of stuff in the progress.
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On August 16 2013 16:36 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 16:31 lolnice wrote:
Wow, I can't believe this shit.
Genna posting private stuff, and Dennis rightfully gets mad.
Then she posts his reaction online again?!
W-T-F
You owe TaKe an apology! This is what I am saying. Not only does Genna post the private conversation once, but she does it again the SECOND time when Dennis already told her his misgivings about the first one. We could call the first reveal if the private conversation a mistake/error in judgement, but then she does it again. Wtf???
Likely because after he brought up legal action she stopped giving a shit about what he wanted, rather then just addressing the issue and asking she refrain from doing it in the future or even asking for an apology he escalated it drastically.
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On August 16 2013 16:34 boxturtle wrote:
Have you ever followed Axiom? They post this up for practically everything, which is why the team has so many fans. Did you see their blog post on why they ended up with Miya in the loser bracket?
If TaKe has a problem, he could've posted it up the same way and made the situation more transparent. That's what we (Axiom fans) like: the transparent way they detail their decisions. If there is more truth, the ball's in his court. If he wants to cover it up..... well he shouldn't have made threats of legal action which were probably going the way of his prior conversations.
If he expected this not to happen, well then he shouldn't have worked with people who do this for everything.
Must be the NSA propaganda getting through.
Making everything private transparent is NOT okay.
"Got nothing to hide..... got nothing to hide..."
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On August 16 2013 16:38 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 16:36 ptbl wrote:On August 16 2013 16:31 lolnice wrote:
Wow, I can't believe this shit.
Genna posting private stuff, and Dennis rightfully gets mad.
Then she posts his reaction online again?!
W-T-F
You owe TaKe an apology! This is what I am saying. Not only does Genna post the private conversation once, but she does it again the SECOND time when Dennis already told her his misgivings about the first one. We could call the first reveal if the private conversation a mistake/error in judgement, but then she does it again. Wtf??? Likely because after he brought up legal action she stopped giving a shit about what he wanted, rather then just addressing the issue and asking she refrain from doing it in the future or even asking for an apology he escalated it drastically.
In which case the team is much better without her and this whole thing turned out great.
On August 16 2013 16:34 boxturtle wrote:
Have you ever followed Axiom? They post this up for practically everything, which is why the team has so many fans. Did you see their blog post on why they ended up with Miya in the loser bracket?
If TaKe has a problem, he could've posted it up the same way and made the situation more transparent. That's what we (Axiom fans) like: the transparent way they detail their decisions. If there is more truth, the ball's in his court. If he wants to cover it up..... well he shouldn't have made threats of legal action which were probably going the way of his prior conversations.
If he expected this not to happen, well then he shouldn't have worked with people who do this for everything.
The reason why the team has so many fans has nothing to do with posting private skype logs/emails. They have a lot of fans because Totalbiscuit and ex-Slayers players have a lot of fans.
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why is TaKe doing this... i thought TaKe was a cool guy until now...
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On August 16 2013 16:39 namste wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 16:38 TheButtonmen wrote:On August 16 2013 16:36 ptbl wrote:On August 16 2013 16:31 lolnice wrote:
Wow, I can't believe this shit.
Genna posting private stuff, and Dennis rightfully gets mad.
Then she posts his reaction online again?!
W-T-F
You owe TaKe an apology! This is what I am saying. Not only does Genna post the private conversation once, but she does it again the SECOND time when Dennis already told her his misgivings about the first one. We could call the first reveal if the private conversation a mistake/error in judgement, but then she does it again. Wtf??? Likely because after he brought up legal action she stopped giving a shit about what he wanted, rather then just addressing the issue and asking she refrain from doing it in the future or even asking for an apology he escalated it drastically. In which case the team is much better without her and this whole thing turned out great.
If you actually believe the team and the scene are better off without her then I'm really not sure what to say to you because you're completely and utterly wrong.
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Goodness I never imagined TaKe to get so angry.
I mean I understand why he got angry, and I think his reaction was a bit much, but he seemed such a nice guy.
I'll miss Genna, only esports team owner in recent times that would listen to each and every persons opinion.
EDIT: and Take is a cool guy. I was just surprised by his reaction.
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On August 16 2013 16:38 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 16:36 ptbl wrote:On August 16 2013 16:31 lolnice wrote:
Wow, I can't believe this shit.
Genna posting private stuff, and Dennis rightfully gets mad.
Then she posts his reaction online again?!
W-T-F
You owe TaKe an apology! This is what I am saying. Not only does Genna post the private conversation once, but she does it again the SECOND time when Dennis already told her his misgivings about the first one. We could call the first reveal if the private conversation a mistake/error in judgement, but then she does it again. Wtf??? Likely because after he brought up legal action she stopped giving a shit about what he wanted, rather then just addressing the issue and asking she refrain from doing it in the future or even asking for an apology he escalated it drastically.
Take has the right to be angry. He is the injured party here. Take isn't the one who posted the private conversations. Can you ever imagine Nazgul posting private conversations to the public? Hell no. Actually, when is the last time a sc2 team owner posted private business related conversation to the public without notification and consent. NEVER. Genna is just plainly in the wrong here.
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Well I don't see Axion being an organization much longer without Genna at the helm.
gg
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GL to Genna w/e she is going to do next.
Second I would like to see Denis side of things before jumping the gun.
Third I do hope this ain`t just a PR post on TL because those are paid if I understand corectly.
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On August 16 2013 16:41 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 16:39 namste wrote:On August 16 2013 16:38 TheButtonmen wrote:On August 16 2013 16:36 ptbl wrote:On August 16 2013 16:31 lolnice wrote:
Wow, I can't believe this shit.
Genna posting private stuff, and Dennis rightfully gets mad.
Then she posts his reaction online again?!
W-T-F
You owe TaKe an apology! This is what I am saying. Not only does Genna post the private conversation once, but she does it again the SECOND time when Dennis already told her his misgivings about the first one. We could call the first reveal if the private conversation a mistake/error in judgement, but then she does it again. Wtf??? Likely because after he brought up legal action she stopped giving a shit about what he wanted, rather then just addressing the issue and asking she refrain from doing it in the future or even asking for an apology he escalated it drastically. In which case the team is much better without her and this whole thing turned out great. If you actually believe the team and the scene are better off without her then I'm really not sure what to say to you because you're completely and utterly wrong.
No, I'm saying that the team is better off without a person in charge who starts to "not give a shit" about what a popular tournament organizer and community pillar (for the lack of better word, you have to admit that for the European scene Take is huge) wants, and just goes and posts all kind of information that could be really harmful for all of the three parties involved.
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On August 16 2013 16:40 Advantageous wrote:
why is TaKe doing this... i thought TaKe was a cool guy until now...
Doing what exactly? Having a PRIVATE conversation with somebody? Or doing everything to help Axiom attends the finals?
Or do you mean his insane effort he puts in this Community, just to get stabbed in the back in public?
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On August 16 2013 16:40 Advantageous wrote:
why is TaKe doing this... i thought TaKe was a cool guy until now...
All he did was privately write "I wonder if there is legal action against this?" referring to Genna posting private conversation logs that he felt poorly represented Acer.
And then Genna posted that publicly as well, with a negative slant towards Take, and TB went around on twitter, reddit, and TL posting "Fuck Take".
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